Found this in the Gawker comments on a post related to the Grand Jury indictment:
Seems plausible to me.
Seems plausible to me.
An interesting view on a BDI theory
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I believe it's been proven that the R's didn't know juveniles couldn't be charged until later on.
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Maybe...I'd really like to see the other fourteen pages of non-True bills that the Ramseys weren't indicted for.
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Is there specific source on this?
To me they panicked...then it was too late, and they went into manage mode.
I said on another thread, I believe some of their "luck" was just plain 'ol circumstances along with advantageous relationships that allowed them to literally get away with murder. Yes, the Rs life remained overshadowed by this crime, yet Lacy's exoneration offered them respite from the ultimate scrutiny...hopefully until now!
Thank you Horatio for bringing that quote here. Interesting theory all around. There are so many! This one is plausible for sure. I don't think I've heard this one given before this. If only we could get justice for JonBenet Ramsey.
I've thought maybe BR showed signs of being abused, but I don't know about this theory. If JB was asleep, what accounts for the scream? Didn't the neighbor say she was sure it was a child's scream? In this theory, couldn't JB be awake? In the reenactment, wasn't the scream supposed to have come from the basement? Something to do with the acoustics or piping, I think. One thing I lean towards, is BR telling the psychologist that someone took JB quietly and took her down in the basement. This statement kind of blows any rage theory, out of the water, but I do realize that if BR was awake during any screaming, he could have left that part out. So when he said he knew what happened, he may have picked up the story during the quiet aftermath. moo
Yes, I agree Tezi, and I'd also like to know how many other true bills six months prior and six months past the Ramsey true bills were not acted on. Were any others just dropped without a motion to dismiss and a signature by the DA? How many were indicted? How many ended up as plea bargains?
I just had a gruesome thought. What if BR was spot on with his tale of someone taking JB quietly to the basement... and her scream was from seeing someone rear back to hit her with the hammer. Didn't he reenact the blow(s), according to Kolar? If he didn't do this, how could he know? Did he see it or overhear somebody talking about it?
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If BR killed his sister in the night, wouldn't her body have remained in bed until the parents woke up? And then wouldn't the patterns of lividity have indicated the body was moved? (Oh, how I'd like to see a detailed interview with the coroner!)
Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?
If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.
Also--and I realize those who think BRDI discount this--I just can't believe that the Rs, having discovered their son killed his sister, sent him off with "Uncle Fleet" and the nice patrolman. No matter how they threatened him, how could they know a 9-year-old wouldn't say the wrong thing? How could they be sure that FW wouldn't ask questions?
If I were covering for a 9-year-old, I wouldn't let him out of my sight.
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That was it for me. How did he know? Sent a chill down my spine. He either witnessed it or did it.
No patrolman accompanied FW as he drove BR to his house. Removing him from the house was one sure way to be sure no police could question or observe him. The parents also wanted to be sure he wasn't there to see his dead sister's corpse in the event she was "found". JB looked quite a bit different 12 hours after her death.
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IMO etc!
They couldn't know and would be insane to risk it. No matter what he promised there would always be the chance he would crack and confess. And in any case, if the parents knew Burke did it there would be no need to cover anything up. He was a child, he could have chased her down the street with a chainsaw and the media wouldn't have even printed his name -- let alone faced a charge.
In my opinion, if the Ramseys knew BDI, they would have phoned their attorney then followed his or her advice.
As for Burke being asleep or awake, he might very well have insisted on his own that he slept through EVERYTHING. If I heard mom and dad murdering my sister I would probably claim the same.
You're right. About BR saying he was asleep...yes he did, but then he also said he heard different voices and noises and at least during a portion of the ordeal, he said he only pretended to sleep. ..so much for sleeping through everything. He did say he heard his parent's voices and come into his room? and he did say someone quietly took JB to the basement. 1+1? What he didn't say was that he heard strange voices. And for a kid to be aware of as much as he claimed-voices, his parents talking, them checking his room, the house creaking, and saying someone took a knife and bashed JB in the head with a hammer, you'd think if their was an intruder, he would have heard some noise that didn't belong. He may have thought if he didn't fake sleep, he'd be taken to the basement too? He was only 9, but he knew enough to not let his parents know he was awake. scary stuff for a little kid. moo, but the BDI theory is starting to seem almost as unlikely as the intruder theory.
Livor mortis indicates she was killed not far from where she was found. Had she died in her room, yes, there would be TWO livor patterns. The ONLY pattern on the body indicates she was placed on her back, head cocked to the right, legs straight out, within a few moments of her death. There are some other clues that lead me to believe she died right near that paint tote, just outside the winecellar on the carpeted area of the basement. There was creatinine (dried urine) on the carpet, and splinters from the paintbrush as well. However, the molestation and/or head bash MAY have happened in her room. The head bash didn't kill her right away, though she collapsed immediately and make have gone into a coma or suffered seizures right after. There was still time to get her to the basement and apply the garrote before she died.
LE were SO quick to release the house from their custody back to the family- one of many travesties of justice in this case. After that, the home was raided by Patsy's sister and then "sold" to a group of R "friends and investors" who pulled up every carpet and piece of wallpaper and whitewashed every wall. There would never be a way to determine exactly where each event took place.
LE were SO quick to release the house from their custody back to the family- one of many travesties of justice in this case. After that, the home was raided by Patsy's sister and then "sold" to a group of R "friends and investors" who pulled up every carpet and piece of wallpaper and whitewashed every wall. There would never be a way to determine exactly where each event took place.
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I could have sworn FW & BW were given some sort of minimal police escort, but I may have confused John Fernie with a patrolman. (And if they were NOT given an escort, then what the hell was everyone thinking, sending FW and JF out to face the "small foreign faction" then roaming Boulder?!)
As it happened, BR WAS interviewed by BPD at FW's house anyway:
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December 26
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But the point here isn't what happened, but how the Rs--highly stressed parents, not criminal masterminds--could be expected to react after discovering their son had killed his sister. I still say getting BR out of the house (they could have sent him to his room) where they couldn't monitor him was counter-intuitive given that scenario. (IMO, it's also counter-intuitive if IDI, as parents who had lost one child would surely keep the other close.)
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Here are the reasons I think the R's wanted BR out of the house and in the care of FW:
1) I think the Ramseys believed they might be arrested that morning.
2) The R's knew that if BR stayed at home that morning he would certainly be interviewed by police. They may have thought the police would NOT bother BR at the Whites.
3) Even if BR accidentally killed JBR and the R's covered for him, I think the R's in no way wanted him present when the body was discovered. I think the R's feared he might give himself (or them) away.
1) I think the Ramseys believed they might be arrested that morning.
2) The R's knew that if BR stayed at home that morning he would certainly be interviewed by police. They may have thought the police would NOT bother BR at the Whites.
3) Even if BR accidentally killed JBR and the R's covered for him, I think the R's in no way wanted him present when the body was discovered. I think the R's feared he might give himself (or them) away.
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I see only two possibilities ...
Either BR slept through the whole thing as the parents claim
or
He knows a lot about what happened or what his parents did in the aftermath.
And if he does know something ... it is absolutely amazing that he could be so calm , cool , and "normal" about it and not reveal the slightest thing.
I doubt the parents could have "conditioned him" to act that way .... they only had a couple of hours .... besides he was only 9 so I think it is highly improbable .
Either BR slept through the whole thing as the parents claim
or
He knows a lot about what happened or what his parents did in the aftermath.
And if he does know something ... it is absolutely amazing that he could be so calm , cool , and "normal" about it and not reveal the slightest thing.
I doubt the parents could have "conditioned him" to act that way .... they only had a couple of hours .... besides he was only 9 so I think it is highly improbable .