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my teenage daughter can send at least 20 texts in a minute and does so every night :laugh:

The thing about texts are they give an exact time when sent - It is as easy as pie to get the mobile phone companies to give exact records of how many sent what time and who too - this is pretty standard stuff I would be surprised if the records have not already been seen by the Pj - if there is anything in these texts ie odd number , odd time it will have been noted
 
Tuba said:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0909_maddie2.shtml

And this is an arrival timeline provided by the doctor friends. There is a whole hour discrepancy!
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hey Tuba - bit confused on what you are saying

are you saying the waiters have them at being in the Tapas at 8.00pm ?

I have never heard that before

I could live with the odd time discrepancy , but an hour is a lot - it doesnt seem right
 
Yes, the PJ would have noted it but probably not released the information except in a leak. Remember when this rumour first circulated? G McC was to have sent 14 text messages in one minute just before K McC returned to the restaurant. The insinuation was that he knew something and wanted to communicate it before there was overt reason for alarm, giving himself away. Members of this forum thought the rumour incredible or damning and sinister. I believe the information was misrepresented and that the transmission was not jammed into the minute before Kate returned but took place over the whole period he was at the restaurant. In other words, I am supporting this latest report. Also worth considering, no one had a stop watch on the minute that she ran back into the restaurant. She supposedly left at 10:00 and returned right away and that has always been approximated. That made the sinister implication suspect.
 
gord said:
hey Tuba - bit confused on what you are saying

are you saying the waiters have them at being in the Tapas at 8.00pm ?

I have never heard that before

I could live with the odd time discrepancy , but an hour is a lot - it doesnt seem right
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Yes, the waiters did put the couple there that early. Alone, having aperitifs and hors d'oeuvres. The first to arrive. It is possible that they got there at say, 8:20, and were at that oval table instead of where they joined the others, who may not have been aware of their presence. The waiters would be, since they served them.
 
Tuba said:
Yes, the waiters did put the couple there that early. Alone, having aperitifs and hors d'oeuvres. The first to arrive. It is possible that they got there at say, 8:20, and were at that oval table instead of where they joined the others, who may not have been aware of their presence. The waiters would be, since they served them.
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This is the thing about this case - I would hope that teh PJ had detailed staetements from anyone who was in the Tapas that night - other guests , you name it - that way you can sort out an accurate time line - there is always going to be a bit of discrepancy as people on holiday dont always clock watch - but there is a bg diff in an hour -

again this is basic stuff - forget DNA etc - just putting people at a place where they said they were and getting corroberation etc -
 
A hurdle the doctors have to overcome is that other guests in the restaurant (leak & rumour only) didn't see them rise and leave to check on the children. Since this was not solid reporting, I don't think I will try to chase down those old stories, which may lack basis.
 
Tuba, remembering back to the first weeks after Madeleine disappeared, there was a definite discrepancy over whether the adults actually checked on the children as they claimed or dined the whole time without leaving the Tapas bar.
 
We may never know. The doctors excepting McCanns had been on holiday in Greece where checking on the children was supplied by the hotel. The McCanns expected it at PDL. They were probably all dismayed when they found this didn't pertain at Mark Warner. We know due to Jeremy Wilkins that Gerry went to 5A. The other two did not contribute much. Although their checks could have been helpful, they weren't. Did they claim to have gone to the patio door in order to appear more responsible & vigilant? They were almost "do nothing" checks so who knows? As I've said, I don't like to accuse anyone of lying so I will give them the benefit of the doubt until something or someone contradicts them. The fact that other diners didn't see them go means little. Oldfield & O'Brien had a motive to check but they also had reason to boast falsely. Either could be true. I also agree with those who have said these services, even if hotels supply them, are woefully inadequate. The staff would have done even less than Oldfield did.
 
CaliKid said:
Tuba, remembering back to the first weeks after Madeleine disappeared, there was a definite discrepancy over whether the adults actually checked on the children as they claimed or dined the whole time without leaving the Tapas bar.
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That's what I remember reading as well. The reports were not the same. Some reports said the children were checked on throughout the evening and other reports said the children were only checked on once or twice.
The most frustrating case....so little reporting is consistent.
 
Tuba said:
Yes, the waiters did put the couple there that early. Alone, having aperitifs and hors d'oeuvres. The first to arrive. It is possible that they got there at say, 8:20, and were at that oval table instead of where they joined the others, who may not have been aware of their presence. The waiters would be, since they served them.
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If these timings are accurate then - based on that article Maddy was last seen at 6.20 by the creche staff - and then the mccanns were seen at about 8 in the bar then this gives even less time for Gerry and or Kate to have killed Maddy and successfuly hidden the body - about an hour and half

I just cant get my head around the amount of contradictory reports that are coming thick and fast on a daily basis
 
Did you leave out David Payne on purpose, as an interested witness & member of the Tapas 9? He went to check on Kate and the children between 6:30 and 7 answering a request from Gerry that he look in on them. In David Payne's original statement, he said he saw Madeleine being put to bed at 7:00. Many people thought that was very early for bedtime but it was the usual time in this family.
 
Exactly how long would it take to slap a child so hard that she falls over & hits her head of a sharp edge? I would guess it could all be over in 1-2minutes!
 
Tuba said:
Did you leave out David Payne on purpose, as an interested witness & member of the Tapas 9? He went to check on Kate and the children between 6:30 and 7 answering a request from Gerry that he look in on them. In David Payne's original statement, he said he saw Madeleine being put to bed at 7:00. Many people thought that was very early for bedtime but it was the usual time in this family.
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If the kids went to sleep pretty quickly as a routine, then they'd be up around 5 am. Wonder if the McCanns normally got up that early?
 
Tuba said:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient-menuext&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaddiepetitangedelumiere%2Edhblogs%2Ebe%2F
This is the report from CM in full about the diners on the night of 3 May. Read from paragraph 2, "They came...." The first paragraph is about the video from the Paraiso restaurant that the police found in error. You'll remember that it was earlier thought the McCanns had taken the children to that restaurant for dinner. The Paraiso was sure of it but they were wrong according to both the PJ and the family.
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That's not too enlightening ...

"Underscoring their astonishment when they heard of the tragedy. 'We did not know that they had children, we do airplanes never seen with their small because Mccanns and their friends are always came alone...'"
 
txsvicki said:
If the kids went to sleep pretty quickly as a routine, then they'd be up around 5 am. Wonder if the McCanns normally got up that early?
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You'ld think, wouldn't you, they'd be getting up at least by 6. Especially if they were napping during the day as children that age usually do.
 
Texana said:
You'ld think, wouldn't you, they'd be getting up at least by 6. Especially if they were napping during the day as children that age usually do.
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Oh, I don't know. From experience most kids that age sleep at least 12 hours at night. So putting them to bed at 7pm does not seem too early to me. Especially when on holiday: kids are excited and get sleepy early, is my experience.

And who knows? Being on holiday may mean they missed their nap?
Dutchess
 
Dutchess said:
Oh, I don't know. From experience most kids that age sleep at least 12 hours at night. So putting them to bed at 7pm does not seem too early to me. Especially when on holiday: kids are excited and get sleepy early, is my experience.

And who knows? Being on holiday may mean they missed their nap?
Dutchess
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Not all kids sleep for 12 hours. IMO 7pm is particularly early to put kids to bed especially on holidays & especially a child of almost 4!
 
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