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Nedthan, you have summed up my sentiments exactly. I am waiting for all this to wash.
:clap: Right on, Wenchie.wenchie said:How about if the RAMSEYS apologize to all of the innocent people they pointed the finger at (to get the heat off of themselves)?
guppy said:I'm not jumping to any conclusions about Karr, but I do think each individual should take responsibility for his own actions. We should acknowledge our mistakes, apologize, then move on.
Nedthan Johns said:This has NOTHING to do with hatred. This has to do with following the evidence in this case and paying CLOSE attention to the father of this VICTIM. Here many of you are jumping to conclusions regarding John Mark Karr when there is NO concrete evidence yet that links him to this crime. I just want to remind everyone of the evidence that points to the Ramseys and remind you all that they are STILL under the umbrella of suspicion. Once again we have ODD comments on behalf of John Ramsey. It speaks VOLUMES when he wants to be LEFT ALONE when after 10 years a man comes forward claiming he murdered his daughter.
Keep watching ..
guppy said:I'm not jumping to any conclusions about Karr, but I do think each individual should take responsibility for his own actions. We should acknowledge our mistakes, apologize, then move on.
The quote at the bottom of your post - the one about Lin Wood saying he's made more money from the Ramsey case, etc....when you read that quote in context, Lin Wood's not bragging at all. He's making a point to opposing council in a civil suit. The quote is taken out of context to make Wood look bad.Nedthan Johns said:Not true. He doesn't have the right to be on the streets like you and I. This guy was fired from 2 teaching jobs for inappropriate behavior.
RiverRat said:Oh we should, should we?! :woohoo: You go first! :innocent:
NO but possesing child *advertiser censored* while teaching should take his rights away to be on the streets.wenchie said:Being fired from two jobs for inappropriate behavior does NOT take away his right to be on the streets.
If it did, he would have been put in prison for it back then.
We can't just decide that because WE don't like a person's looks or actions, that they have no right to "walk the streets".
calus_3 said:Sure, I will apologize for my distrust of them but it will always be with the caveat that they brought it on themselves by the way they acted.
I can understand that they were worried that the police would crucify them. However, that's reality and that is the police you have to deal with. Flying off the same day to Atlanta because you don't like the way you were treated is not acceptable in my opinion. That doesn't take the focus off you and put it onto other possible suspects, it makes everyone focus that much more on you.
So if Karr really did it or rolls over on the person who does, then yes the Ramseys are owed an apology by some. But had they done the right things day 1, they would have faded into history as a victim family like John Walsh, Mark Klass, and Mr. Lunsford.
Cal
Amraann said:NO but possesing child *advertiser censored* while teaching should take his rights away to be on the streets.
As for the Ramsey's ..
They have had investigators (Lou Smit for one and Ollie Gray) Looking at evidence for teon years.
So just because they don't jump onto tv everytime thier daughtrs name is mentioned means little. Not faulting parents who do but it is indicative of different personalities not guilt neccesarily.
It is false that the Ramsey's refused to cooperate with the police.
The police had access to them for the first critical couple of days then hired an attorney on the advice of a friend.
There is absolutely nothing wrong or indicitive of guilt in doing that when the police, whom I may add already botched up the investigation and were leaking statements to the media indicating they thought it was the Parents.
It was very clear that they were looking NOWHERE else. What where they suppose to do?
Cooperate and wind up in prison for year like Jaqualyn Dowolby's step father who was innocent but could not afford an attorney to advise him?
The bottom line and reality is that many who have spent years believing the R's are guilty ignore any evidence that dispells that and will continue to do so.
If Karr's DNA matches it will be some huge Ramsey conspiracy. Lies an misinformation about this case have gone on for ten years ... that isn't going to change now. The media went right back to it the day this all hit the news with their "unanmed sources".
Just because the DA and investigators have not stated what evidence they have doesn't mean the ydon't have it..
As a matter of fact why would they give any defense attorney such an early lead on the evidense they have?
otto said:There was a special on A&E last night about the case and I watched parts of it. Every time I tuned in I could see that the debates here have been asnwered, but people don't want to believe what they hear. The Ramsays were not questioned the day of the murder because the police did not follow proper procedure. The Ramsays soon learned that they were the focus of the investigation and were advised to hire lawyers, but today that is used against them. On the advice of their lawyers, they agreed to meet with the police at their lawyers office with a PI and doctor (Patsy was sick, after all). This is not unusual given the circumstances, but in this case the police refused to cooperate. Again the Ramsays were criticized. I understand that eventually there were 3 teams investigating the murder and none of them were talking to each other, but the DA was talking to the Globe rag magazine. The Ramsays were not given updates on the investigation of their own child's murder. The police tried to withhold their child's burial as leverage in their investigation. There are so many irregularities in the investigation that would make any innocent person run to a lawyer, yet the family is constantly criticized.
I think it's horrendous that John Ramsay is criticized for not taking up the cause of murdered children, or that he just wants to be left alone by the media. When my father died of cancer, my mom took up the cause but I enrolled at university and buried myself in my work - taking 7 courses per semester to make sure that I was too busy to think. It's a well known fact that some people deal with stress by burying themselves in their work. It doesn't matter what John Ramsay does now or what he and his wife did 10 years ago, some people are going to criticize it all. If John is not an activist, leave him alone. I'm not an activist and if people were in my face complaining that I wasn't taking up the cause of all people that died of cancer, I would probably move away as well. Is Natalee Holloway's father an activist? Absolutely not. No one says a word about it because he has a job and other children to raise. John Ramsay is in the very same situation so why not afford him the same respect we extend to other men in the same situation. The double standard makes the criticism of John Ramsay very transparent.