Some years back (around 2007) a website ran a survey called "The Modesty Survey." I can't link to it because the authors eventually pulled it but you can still find remnants of it here and there online. 1600 boys responded. The upshot of the results was, well, pretty much anything girls wore or however they behaved turned out to cause boys to "stumble," and have "impure" thoughts. Stumble is what we might call a trigger, or what the Duggars refer to as "defrauding." The free ginger site has a discussion about it.
I was able to view it before the link went dead and IMO it reflected the skewed education the respondents were receiving at home regarding girls and sex. Here's an example of some of the milder answers:
27% of respondents find a girl putting on lip gloss in front of them to be a stumbling block.
63.6% of respondents find a girl leaning over and showing her lower back to be a stumbling block.
74.9% of respondents reported that the way a girl walks can be a stumbling block.
93.8% of respondents reported that a modestly dressed girl can still be a stumbling block because of her attitude and behavior.
Taken from
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/06/worthwhile-reads-the-modesty-survey.html
All I can say is...
Nike! Nike!:scared:
I see no difference between this and extremist Islam. Lots of similarities in beliefs and practices.
I'm thinking "the letter" was written by the oldest daughter. The way she "disappeared" from the show and family appearances was never fully explained but that would make sense.
The eldest daughter is still featured on the show. She just went on a anti-gay rights road trip with Josh and Anna (last summer), and was featured doing that. She also helped save the youngest Josie's life after a recent seizure, which was filmed. She's a bit shy like her twin brother. She's a wistful gal as well. What's sad is her parents described her as a willful and somewhat wild little kid who needed a lot of "training". I've suspected for awhile that the vim and vinegar got paddled out of her. Nevertheless, nothing suggests she does not tow the party line nor adheres strongly to the family and their belief system. The letter denigrates the family, calling them the "precious Duggars", and seems resentful of them. The eldest daughter would've been about 16 when that was written. I do not believe there's any chance she wrote it.
I have a question for anyone who has watched the show, since I haven't.
Was all this info that's come out in the less-than-a-week since the story broke, about the family's adherence to Gothard's principles etc., talked about on the show?
Subtly. Not directly. Direct references to Gothard have been edited out. Like th fact that they celebrated his birthday at a Bates' wedding and he was there. But they routinely refer to things like ATI or the Big Sandy homeschool conference or ALERT academy and show parts of all of that.
Ot blanket training, why do this when a playpen would serve the same purpose? Other than teaching the child to fear you.
ciao
It is to teach immediate obedience and total submission. Babies and children mut obey and submit totally to their parents as training for obedience and submission to God.
I know. I thought about that too before I posted what I did. I don't think of the kids as clowns either.
I agree also, there's nothing funny about the situation, but for some reason, dark humor is a human coping mechanism in the face of the unbearably painful.
I feel so bad for those kids. I was also thinking today that statistically, of the 19 at least one and maybe two are gay. What must life be like, or going to be like, for them?
I feel they will seek to marry such a child off very early and I think that's exactly what's happening with one of theirs right now. I believe t would be almost impossible for any of their kids, gay or not, to break from the family or their beliefs. A gay Duggar would simply live in quiet agony and feel self-loathing and shame.
My heart breaks for those girls and what they have been through. They are being victimized all over again with everything being played out in public. I would venture to guess that they love their parents and siblings.
I don't understand the schadenfreude in this very sad situation.
There is schadenfreude but not a bit toward the poor and innocent victims. Instead, it's toward the parents and smugly bigoted son who have worked hard to strip others of their civil rights and to tell others how to live, while dysfunctionally projecting their own perversity onto others.
She's at risk for a boatload of complications, with that OB/ GYN history.
Placenta accreta, uterine inversion, uterine rupture, etc-- any of which can kill in minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placenta_accrete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uterine_inversion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uterine_rupture
And that doesn't even begin to get into the longer term pelvic floor dysfunction, etc.
On the show, her old doctor before Josie stated she had a very thin cesarean scar so more cesareans are dangerous. I've also heard her uterus is paper thin. I have no doubt she is incontinent in all ways and wears diapers.
Regardless, I don't believe she is fertile anymore. I think her baby-making days are over. She's about 47-48 now.
I would guess clean, combed, and natural (not colored or permed). The styling would be plain, but not sloppy. Nothing that calls attention to itself in any way. Women would be expected to look "feminine" but not spend much time primping and preparing their hairstyle.
Michelle loves her hair permed. Gothard has long dictated, however, his preference for ladies' hair - long and wavy. Not too curly and not straight. For years all the Duggar girls wore their hair just that way.
That is yucky, but not necessarily restricted just to fundamentalist families. I once brought my daughter at about age 8 to get her long hair cut short - at her request. The hairstylist asked her, "Does your father know you're doing this? Is he okay with it?" I was floored!! We don't live in the South. The stylist was not joking.
I've always found the "Daddy likes my hair long" or "Daddy says I have to wear skirts" thin to be gross.
OMG!!! You guys, the judge who ordered the 2006 files destroyed is the same judge who fast tracked Ark Rep Justin Harris adoption of the kids he abandoned...who were later abused...
Here's on link on Harris
http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/ca...applied-pressure-to-adopt/Content?oid=3725371
link on Duggar
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...estigation-record-destroyed-by-police-2015225
Whoa!!
