AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #2

[IzzyBlanche]

As mad as I am about Josh Duggar, I'm even sadder about the girls. They were basically victimized twice. First, by Josh. And then later, and for so many years -- most of their childhoods -- they were victimized by their parents, who had them continue to live with someone who molested them and who the parents had forgiven (and perhaps still treated as a golden child, as he was the first born son).

No shortage of things to be angry about here.

Absolutely. They had to not only continue to live under the same roof as their abuser, which is appalling enough, but--probably--were coerced to "forgive" him.

And that's not even assuming they were somehow assigned some of the blame for their "immodesty."

Which I don't think we can assume necessarily.

These people frighten me. What frightens me even more is that they were more or less given public accolades in the form of a presumably lucrative TV show.

Which if one even thinks about it for one second, doesn't accord in any way with their stated values of modesty and humility.

Scary. And sad.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Thank goodness not too many. My point was in reference to the Duggar girls not realizing that sex was not OK for children.

It looks pretty rare in the world as something that is socially acceptable. Of course we see with all of this expose with the Duggars that child sex can be "forgiven".

I no longer am surprised that there are something like 1,000,000 hits a month on child *advertiser censored*. All you have to do is be sorry and people apparently forgive you.

BBM for focus. I'm not sure I am understanding what you mean. The Duggar girls clearly understood that sex was not OK for children which is why they went to their parents with what Josh had done in what turned out to be a futile attempt for help.

I don't think anyone has said that any Duggars, not even Josh, thought sex was OK for children.

 

[Montjoy]

Absolutely. They had to not only continue to live under the same roof as their abuser, which is appalling enough, but--probably--were coerced to "forgive" him.

And that's not even assuming they were somehow assigned some of the blame for their "immodesty."

Which I don't think we can assume necessarily.

These people frighten me. What frightens me even more is that they were more or less given public accolades in the form of a presumably lucrative TV show.

Which if one even thinks about it for one second, doesn't accord in any way with their stated values of modesty and humility.

Scary. And sad.

Thanks aren't enough.

I have to think that some big problems here are also sanctimony, patriarchy, and hypocrisy. We've all heard about how Josh was supposedly sent for therapy, but that story was total bunkum. How about all of the girls that he sexually assaulted? Or are female lives not worth as much?

(Sorry for the rhetorical question.)

 

[human]

BBM for focus. I'm not sure I am understanding what you mean. The Duggar girls clearly understood that sex was not OK for children which is why they went to their parents with what Josh had done in what turned out to be a futile attempt for help.

I don't think anyone has said that any Duggars, not even Josh, thought sex was OK for children.

This was in reference to a post where someone wondered if because of their sheltered life they did not realize what happened to them was not ok.

 

[Teresa]

I've been thinking...If I had the opportunity to ask Michelle and Jim Bob a question. If anyone other than your son touched your girls what would you have done? I'm positive you wouldn't have thought it was a damn mistake. By covering up this "mistake" your giving your child a pass to do it again...Josh is a father of little girls now. A parents job is to protect and guide our children. You failed your girls and son. Shame on you!

 

[RJA00]

I think this only applies to homes for foster children.

Yes, when i went thorugh foster care training. thee was also people doing the training for kinship training. if you are relative of the child you are taking in, you can put them in the laundry room or their exact words bathtub would be acceptable as long your related.

but foster kids have to have a room and a bed.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-scandal-ruins-propects-political-career.html

http://radaronline.com/photos/josh-anna-duggar-buy-new-house-arkansas/photo/1034557/

Josh Duggar is uprooting his family and moving to a home he purchased earlier this year in Siloam Springs, Arkansas for $55,000.
Since resigning his post at the Family Research Council (FRC) lobbying group in Washington D.C., last week, shell-shocked Josh and his wife Anna have been readying themselves for a move back near the Duggar family compound in Tontitown.

You know location is everything, this home is very handy so that the girls he abused can sing his praises more and babysit and cook for him more often

 

[kdgdid]

Right on....there goes the rod and the blanket training !

Good point. I thought this was a good starting point to see what CPS thought was acceptable housing for children and adolescents.

Anyway, it's probably moot now anyway.

A representative from the Arkansas Child Protective Services made the following statement via press release, “The recent admission of guilt from Josh Duggar surrounding his involvement in the abuse of children is not only troubling, but it is a clear sign that our involvement is needed. With our current knowledge of the events that transpired in the Duggar home, it would be against the law for our organization to turn a blind eye to the potential abuse transpiring in the home (the Duggar home).”
Dale Lancaster, a veteran social worker within the Department of Arkansas Protective Services, told CNN correspondent Lisa Cornia, during a brief interview, “It is not uncommon for a parent to feel the need to cover up the mistakes of their children, however mistakes that result in the abuse, physical or sexual, of the other children in the home, cannot be ignored. It is hard for a parent of 2 or 3 children to have a full understanding of everything that is happening in the home, I can only imagine trying to keep up with the activities of 19 children, 8 of which are under the age of 16. Our hope is that our presence is welcome by the entire family, including Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.”
http://nationalreport.net/child-pro...stigation-duggar-family/#sthash.8cumFQKJ.dpuf

 

[Donjeta]

How about Josh and Anna Duggar's home?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

How about Josh and Anna Duggar's home?

They don't live in Arkansas.

 

[Donjeta]

They don't live in Arkansas.

They'll be back in Arkansas soon enough according to DM and Radar Online.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

They'll be back in Arkansas soon enough according to DM and Radar Online.

With the news of CPS visiting, they could decide to postpone their return.

 

[Donjeta]

Yeah I guess they could but not sure if it would make a difference. If I was in CPS I think I might remember his name even if a few months go by.

They currently rent a 3,300 square foot five-bedroom, four-bath home in the Oxon Hill section of Maryland for about $3,500 a month.
Says the insider, 'Ironically, their lease on that place is up in July anyway, they just won't renew it.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-propects-political-career.html#ixzz3bba2Tbjt

I'm not sure that's ironic though...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yeah I guess they could but not sure if it would make a difference. If I was in CPS I think I might remember his name even if a few months go by.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-propects-political-career.html#ixzz3bba2Tbjt

I'm not sure that's ironic though...

Will he risk his children being taken by CPS while they investigate? Could it happen? Could Arkansas CPS get DC CPS to investigate since they are there?

 

[gitana1]

http://www.people.com/article/josh-...ringdale-fayetteville-arkansas-residents-feel

From the link: "Teenagers who have been isolated from their peers may be more likely to act out sexually, the abuser is trying to make themselves feel better. It’s about power."

 

[mrsobrien]

Yeah I guess they could but not sure if it would make a difference. If I was in CPS I think I might remember his name even if a few months go by.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-propects-political-career.html#ixzz3bba2Tbjt

I'm not sure that's ironic though...

Journalists these days.... can't differentiate between "ironically " and "coincidentally". *smh*

 

[gitana1]

Apparently they are partial to a matching color clothing scheme. Perhaps Jim Bob owns only the one tie.

I will refrain from commenting on the lamp growing out of Michelle's head, or the horns it gives her.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Jim Bob makes all of the color choices. I don't know why, but it really does seem consistent with the general creepiness of this family.

It's totally a thing in their culture. You guys have to read this article. For years one of my concerns about the Duggars is how the life they portray and promote is one that most cannot sustain. They are Quiverfull royalty. But there are so many other families with these beliefs and this culture that are not royalty. And many of those families seriously suffer.

The following article explains that in great detail with a lot of info about the quirks of the lifestyle, including the matching (promotes family unity).

Remember, Andrea Yates and her family was from this culture. And we know what happened with her - Can you imagine having post-partum psychosis but having to continually "trust God with the size of your family"? Oh boy.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolong...pt-2-quiverfull-royalty-vs-quivering-reality/

more Duggar scandal: https://fakejoshduggar.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/you-be-the-judge/

I'm so dumb. I am not connecting the dots here!

Thanks aren't enough.

I have to think that some big problems here are also sanctimony, patriarchy, and hypocrisy. We've all heard about how Josh was supposedly sent for therapy, but that story was total bunkum. How about all of the girls that he sexually assaulted? Or are female lives not worth as much?

(Sorry for the rhetorical question.)

We know for sure they didn't receive counseling because if they had the abuse would've been officially reported in 2003 not 2006 since counselors are mandatory reporters.

 

[believe09]

I doubt that Josh will go on national TV and agree to a poly to determine if he has committed crimes that are still within the statute of limitations. As for the age and identity of his current victims, it is easy enough to figure out and imvho it is no ones business. It is enough that he and his family have confirmed repeatedly that it happened.

This is what is making me crazy-their inconsistencies regarding what goes on in their own home vs the world is not a huge surprise. But to claim that the law is not for them and yet they accept and thrive due to goods/services/paychecks from the secular world is ridiculous.

It shows them for what they are. It is a tarnish that cant be removed. He can be forgiven, certainly, although that is up to each individual victim to decide for themselves. But the Duggars dont get to decide what punishment he will face and they dont get to claim that they took all of the right steps and Jim Bob "turned him in." (Remember those early headlines?) They didnt turn him in to authorities. They shared with mandatory reporters that they knew would do nothing.

 

[believe09]

A representative from the Arkansas Child Protective Services made the following statement via press release, “The recent admission of guilt from Josh Duggar surrounding his involvement in the abuse of children is not only troubling, but it is a clear sign that our involvement is needed. With our current knowledge of the events that transpired in the Duggar home, it would be against the law for our organization to turn a blind eye to the potential abuse transpiring in the home (the Duggar home).”
Dale Lancaster, a veteran social worker within the Department of Arkansas Protective Services, told CNN correspondent Lisa Cornia, during a brief interview, “It is not uncommon for a parent to feel the need to cover up the mistakes of their children, however mistakes that result in the abuse, physical or sexual, of the other children in the home, cannot be ignored. It is hard for a parent of 2 or 3 children to have a full understanding of everything that is happening in the home, I can only imagine trying to keep up with the activities of 19 children, 8 of which are under the age of 16. Our hope is that our presence is welcome by the entire family, including Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.”
http://nationalreport.net/child-prot....8cumFQKJ.dpuf

It probably isnt an optimal time for Josh and Anna to return to the Duggar compound if CPS is launching a full investigation. But I hope they do and I hope the family fully cooperates. Again. And Josh fully cooperates this time. There is no reason he shouldnt in terms of completing his penance, right? A forthright and upstanding guy who has confessed to his crimes recently-mommy and daddy cant say no for him this time.

It says a lot that the Duggars couldnt get a defense attorney to represent him in 2006.

 

[LisaB]

I do feel josh should have had court mandated counseling, but we cant blame josh for not getting help, he was underage that should of been done by his parents. there should of been case workers checking on minors in that house but again we cant blame josh for that he was a minor. I guess we can say his parents made a mistake by not helping josh the right way.

I don't know what the parents was thinking starting this show, knowing this could come out at any time. I just wonder if there would of been any report if there had not been any non-family victims.

It came out because a male relative wrote down what happened, folded the paper and put it in s book, which was subsequently loaned to a 61 year old woman who belonged to their church. She knew the family was filming Oprah, so she wrote to Harpo, and they fotwardednit to police. They sent the Duggars home, did not air the show, and when they got home, the police began investigating/interviewing the family.