....but lots of things were left out and 'out of place'.....it's not like they tidied everything up and cleaned after themselves completely, and left the pineapple and drink out of place and unwashed uncharacteristically....they left crap out all the time... expecting housekeepers to tend to laundry, cleaning, dishes, and the like...
so thinking that Patsy would have cleaned up the snack if she knew about it, or was the one who fed it, is not characteristic of Patsy and does not necessarily tell you whether she did or didn't know about - since things were generally left unkempt by Patsy and the family anyway... and you can't go by her word either - some things were 'completely normal' and some things 'totally didn't look right' or 'not normal for a kleenex box' kind of crap :waitasec:
That day there was also -
- Drawers in JAR's bathroom left wide open
- Drawers in JonBenet's bathroom still left open
- John's bathrobe left in the Study
- Pullups left hanging out
- Soiled pants left on the floor
- Jonbenet's bedspread hanging off bed, with clothes, pillow, and things strewn around
- Red stain on jonbenet's carpet floor
- Red turtleneck still in the bathroom
- Bathroom toilet left unflushed - Patsy is asked if that was out of the ordinary. She said no. She said that JonBenet would not necessarily have flushed if she went to the bathroom by herself...
- No toilet paper roll holders in several bathrooms - not unusual.
- No clothes hampers in the house - not unusual
- Clothes piled on the chair in JAR room - not unusual
- Playroom - 'pretty much in a mess' - normal according to Patsy
- Patsy's closet shoes - 'thrown in' - normal
- 'My messy garage' - Patsy's words- normal
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-crime-photos.htm
Patsy is being shown photos of her house....
Photo #078 12/26/96 -
Kidnapping Phase -- Patsy Ramsey (6/98)
Table, Gingerbread house, Jar, Cereal Bowl, Glass (0357-11)
TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. Seventy-eight.
PATSY RAMSEY: Our kitchen table. This is where the kids had made gingerbread houses. The gingerbread house sitting there. There is a little box I kept my Christmas cards in.
TRIP DEMUTH: On the right?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like a little Noah's ark. The Nutcracker.
This is a bowl, a cereal bowl, that glass there. A canister or a jar, a jar. Oh, maybe a cup of coffee. This is the dining room.
TOM HANEY: Anything else in that one, 78?
PATSY RAMSEY: No
#079 12/26/96
Kidnapping Phase -- Patsy Ramsey (6/98)
Runner, flower arrangement (0358-16)
TOM HANEY: Seventy-nine.
PATSY RAMSEY: That is the dining room. This is a runner going down the middle. These are flower arrangements. A big (inaudible) thing.
TOM HANEY: Everything looks normal?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
#380 Photo on video not available -- Patsy Ramsey (6/98)
Wet bar open drawer by spiral staircase, where flashlight normally kept (0514-24)
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. And I wanted to flip back to photo 380, right there.
PATSY RAMSEY: Right, yeah, one of those drawers.
TRIP DeMUTH: One of the drawers that's depicted in 380?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
TRIP DeMUTH: Do you remember which drawer?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I, I most recently remember it being, you know, right in this drawer.
TRIP DeMUTH:
The drawer that is open?
PATSY RAMSEY: That's open there, yeah.
TRIP DeMUTH: And that's the wet bar that's by the spiral staircase, right?
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Okay. And now looking at photo 380, you don't see a flashlight in there, right?
PATSY RAMSEY: Correct.
(0515-20)
PATSY RAMSEY: Where was this flashlight found?
TRIP DeMUTH: Well, do you remember when you came in on, in April, they showed you a picture of the flashlight? Do you recall that? You may not.
PATSY RAMSEY: No, not exactly.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. This was on the kitchen counter?
(0516-05) TRIP DeMUTH: We don't have a picture of that, do we.
TOM HANEY: No. It's in the video, I believe, but I don't...
- Even the drawer the flashlight was normally kept in, was just left open that night, with the flashlight left on the counter...
(0462-09) TRIP DEMUTH: 383.
PATSY RAMSEY: The same basket with a pen in it.
TRIP DEMUTH: That wouldn't be unusual?
PATSY RAMSEY:
No. I mean, you know, even the marker, the pens, they were all over the place...
BPD Crime Scene Photo Discussion - Breakfast Table, Pineapple, Bowl and Spoon -
TOM HANEY: That was 410. Now we move to 413, which is just the Boulder police photo ID, and then 414. -
PATSY RAMSEY: That little ball there, it is kind of like a little cereal bowl, but it has this huge spoon sticking out of it, and this doesn't look right. It looks kind of (inaudible). And that is -- I don't know what this is, a glass or something. But it looks like it has a tea bag in there, and I don't know who would make tea with the tea bag hanging out of there, if it is a tea bag. Hard to tell.
LOU SMIT: This is a photograph that's taken of the dining room table. And it shows various things on the dining room table. Do you see the gingerbread houses? And then you see a bowl
JOHN RAMSEY: I see a glass with what looks like (INAUDIBLE). Tissues on the glass. A couple knives.
LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how that got on that table?
JOHN RAMSEY: It might have been (INAUDIBLE) that's a big bowl.
TOM HANEY: We will come to closer ones. Here is another shot here in 415.
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. Oh, I see. That does look like a tea bag, doesn't it?
TOM HANEY: It was taken on the 29th apparently. That is just a guess based on the Boulder police.
TOM HANEY: As we get some close ups, more close ups here in 416 and 417.
PATRICK BURKE: This is probably in the 12/29 roll.
PATSY RAMSEY:
That is definitely a tea bag. That is weird. Like I said, there were a lot of people around that morning.
TOM HANEY: When was the last time you recall that table being cleaned off?
PATSY RAMSEY: After -- well, we would have eaten pancakes together at that table on Christmas morning. And then I would have cleaned the table up.
TOM HANEY: Okay. In the course of having the pancake breakfast, would a glass or a bowl like that (inaudible).
PATSY RAMSEY: No. I can't tell what that is.
LOU SMIT: This is also another picture, picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the children were making?
JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why a Kleenex box is there either.
That's not normal for a Kleenex box
(What is NOT NORMAL about a kleenex box sitting on a table? puh-lease... maybe if it was torn to shreds and thrown around the table like snow, with the empty box put on top of the pineapple bowl - I would say then that maybe that was not normal for a kleenex box... anyway....)
LOU SMIT: I'm going to straighten out the picture so we'll want a close up of everything. This is a photograph of 417. what does that represent there?
JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to make it old and there's this teabag in an empty glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is some milk or something.
LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple, but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and I can't imagine that the kids would have something like that at any time. Certainly not with iced tea, I don't think.
They don't even drink iced tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah...
UNTIL JR says:
..." Burke will drink sweet ice tea." ...uh, ok?
MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag in the glass?
JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea, I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if JonBenet did, if she did. I mean, even for someone who's there and to get out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.
MIKE KANE: That was a serving spoon?
JOHN RAMSEY: It's a big serving spoon. I mean don't even have an answer....
(Yeah, he has no answer.... especially if he recognizes his own spoon but not sure if he recognizes his own bowl)...
TRIP DeMUTH: Nobody uses tea like this in the glass in photo seventeen?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TRIP DeMUTH: You don't make tea in a glass?
PATSY RAMSEY: No, it would break the glass.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Do you recognize the glass with the tea bag in it?
PATSY RAMSEY: The glass looks like ours.
TRIP DeMUTH: All right. We talked about that already.
TRIP DeMUTH: What about that box of Kleenex that's on the table?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. TRIP DeMUTH: Is that supposed to be there?
PATSY RAMSEY: Not really,
no, I don't think so
TRIP DeMUTH: Do you know where that came from, where that's supposed to be?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
I mean, I had Kleenex around, usually in the kitchen, with a box in the bathroom.
TRIP DeMUTH: Was there a box of Kleenex in that dining room at all?
PATSY RAMSEY: I just -- not that I remember. It's unusual that Kleenex would be there.
OMG.
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...And since they called in so many people that morning, who did clean up crap, and the photo was taken on a 29th roll, for all we know the pineapple and glass could have been taken out that morning when everyone was around...JonBenet could have gotten a piece of the pineapple out of the bowl when it was in the fridge by just opening the door and getting some out with her fingers... And maybe someone got the glass and pineapple out for Burke before he left that morning....
Seriously though...whether Patsy would have cleaned up or not is not going to tell us if she served it to her, or who did it.
But we do know that she ate some because it's in her stomach. So she was up at some point eating pineapple before she died.
That much we do know.