Appreciate your views Cariis. I have only run into this sort of thing by way of investigating criminal activity that often involved some of the same backgrounds and same types of MI individuals. I've seen it, I can recognize it, I can differentiate most types and have a pretty good idea whos capable of what but I have no proper training in that area. I come from a totally different perspective but in general I get what you are all saying. I believe Holmes intelligence demanded a more intricate dilusion of him than most. I believe the circumstance of the movie provided that.
I fear we aren't going to get much in the way of new information that you can hang your hat on any more. Unfortunately that will lead to more speculation without much to prove anything one way or another. I usually try to sort things into some sort of ballpark theory and then look around to see what can be found to support either side. Besides the joker aspect, I would be interested in that McDonalds job Holmes once held and his coworkers insights. I believe there is a potential for a Ronald McDonald like character to do some other grave act somewhere yet. I doubt he will be near as intelligent and may drop early simplistic signs to watch for. This was highly educational for me to hear what some of you trained in the field had to say.
The dividing line in basic opinion on the theater so to speak is somewheres in here. (qoute attached) My views are pretty well all on the same side as yours Cariis but I like to entertain the other positions as well. This is what you are up against especially if getting too far out in front of any actual event for the intended pupose of stopping it. Part of Fenton's position is, how was she to know anything like that would happen and especially how and where? My question goes to How did she know it wouldn't be at the university?
If I suspected for instance a McDonalds shoot out in the offing and had my eye on an individual exhibiting signs, maybe even saw him seeking a way to get close to and or even attempting to get a costume, who would you tell and how would it be recieved? Right, you are first met with a lot of scoffing. Even after the fact, it is not easy to see the the psychological trail foundational to the act.
Like I said, this was quite educational for me, thnz all.
from Cariis
And all without caffeine! The doctor is still puzzling in that how did she know he wouldn't return to the uni? Was she more privy to the specifics of the dillusion than we know?
Appreciate yours as well sir or madam!!!!
YES! She knew, it is not like unless you say I am going to go kill Otots at 5:32 AM on Friday XX XX XXXX that we dont have the skills, the training, the whole deal to say my client is decomping, he is losing contact with reality, he is indicating a desire to harm. I find it in a way frustrating, this is complicated stuff BUT I would never worry about getting in trouble with asking for a duty to warn safety drive by.
I just would not , I trust my clinical skills, and unlike so many here think that this is about locking people up it is not, it is at most 72 hours of a human being s life that is so out of control, so stressful so exhausting, THEY ARE PETRIFIED ; in his intelligence the biggest gift we could give them is a three day wind down (which often does not really do a whole lot - they system ($) just overdoses them to the point of near coma -- they crawl home, sit there getting over the doctor overdose, and it all starts again in about a month and a half or so
Its criminal, its pathetic, it is wrong, -- when I started, years ago average time in the hospital was 30 45 days! We could get their meds right (or closer than now days $) and they could go back out not in a COMA and go for a bit
would they end up back yep, but their quality of life in between placements, not being overdosed cause insurance does not want to pay for hospiilazation, was FAR better .
They managed.
It is sad, it is wrong, it is gross, and it will continue to happen more and more until this society realizes, that at the end of the day, humanely, this is real medical stuff, that it is better to pay the tab when you have them in a safe and secure environment, and can really tweak their meds wherein their side effects are minimized, increase the likelihood that they will take them.
It is repulsive and wrong and there are hundreds of victims from July 20 that would concur here..... believe it or not , the lil;ihood of this occurring could have been markedly reduced if MI was not stigmatized, if it were not a blame deal, if it were recognized as a medical problem as opposed to some little whim of some prick who is hunting for a dash of attention or is angry etc.
This is a mentally ill KID! Folks
..He is sick
..
See the other day for proof (temple) and this stuff is going to keep going until we as a society decide oh my we better really try to help these folks
. It is real, it is medical, it is neurotransmitters no different than diabetes, and until this society can grasp that well grab your bullet proof vests
Whew I feel better now!!!!!!!!!!!