Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 *AL extortion trial* *Guilty* #3

[Seattle1]

I don't remember this but JVDS and the K brothers first set up a couple of the hotel security guards as suspects!

What to Know About Natalee Holloway's Case After Joran van der Sloot's Confession

Natalee Holloway went missing on a graduation trip to Aruba in 2005. Here is everything to know about her disappearance, including the latest details about her death.

people.com

10/18/23

The first arrests came just days after Natalee’s disappearance. On June 5, 2005, two former hotel security guards, Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, were arrested after van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers provided their descriptions to police. The Kalpoe brothers told police that they had dropped Natalee off at her hotel around 2 a.m. and saw a man in a security guard uniform approach her, their lawyer told NBC News.

“I was trying to clear my name, but they wouldn’t listen because of what those boys said about us,” John told PEOPLE. John and Jones were eventually released on June 13, 2005.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested on June 9, 2005. Just over a week later, a fourth man, 26-year-old party boat DJ Steve Gregory Croes, was arrested. On June 23, van der Sloot’s father Paulus, a lawyer training to be a judge, was also arrested in connection with Natalee’s disappearance.

According to The New York Times, all five men were considered suspects. However, they had all been released from jail by September 2005 — though Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were still considered “under investigation” at the time, CNN reported.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714745193272938510

 

[SkyBoomer]

I followed this story from the very beginning. We lived in the same town at the time and the son of our neighbor across the street was on the same trip where Natalie went missing. So we knew before it made the news. I believe the first part of JVDS' confession is true - the disposal of the body not so much. At the time there was a report of the father, Paulus, taking money out of his ATM late at night and then borrowing a boat. Paulus also said at the time he would do ANYTHING for his son. With all the intense scrutiny after the disappearance I really think a body close to the shore would have been found pretty quickly. That's why I believe Paulus took the body and said he would "take care of it" and being on an island, of course, would take the body far out into the water instead of trying to hide or bury it. Paulus died a few years later so it is possible we will never know for sure.

I think this, too. Paulus dumped Natalee’s body way out in the ocean.

However, I really thought NH died from overdosing on date rape drugs that JVDS slipped in her drinks, he freaked out and called daddy.

I did NOT see him crushing in her poor face because she resisted him raping her.

Not that one is better than the other, I just remember the stories about JVDS hanging out at all the tourist bars, trying to pickup girls and my mind went straight to “rohypnol” or the like.

JVDS should have received consecutive sentences and not concurrent. He’ll do it again.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714731471687348246

 

[SkyBoomer]

You think the accusations from the media are all untrue? You think his confession to Natalee's mother is all untrue? Joran is innocent but confessed to killing her anyway?

I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I think he minimized his brutality and what he may have subjected Natalee to after he killed her. Imo.

However, I don’t think knowing any of those details would bring peace to the Holloway family.

JVDS will never tell the 100% truth. He is a sociopath and a murderer.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714731471687348246

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714376609971474872

Peruvian judge affirms extradition to US of chief suspect in Natalee Holloway disappearance

LIMA, Peru (AP) — A Peruvian judge on Tuesday affirmed this week's planned extradition to the U.S. of the main suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

apnews.com

June 6, 2023

Van der Sloot had arrived Saturday at a corrections facility in Lima, the capital, after a long ground trip under strict security measures from a prison in the Andes, where he was serving a 28-year sentence for the murder of a Peruvian woman.

The government of Peru announced May 10 that it would temporarily transfer custody of van der Sloot to authorities in the U.S. to face trial there.

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A 2001 treaty between Peru and the U.S. allows a suspect to be temporarily extradited to face trial in the other country. The time that van der Sloot ends up spending in the U.S. “will be extended until the conclusion of the criminal proceedings,” including the appeal process should there be one, according to a resolution published in the South American country’s federal register. The resolution also states that U.S. authorities agreed to return the suspect to the custody of Peru afterward.

The young woman’s mother, Beth Holloway, in a statement released after Peruvian authorities agreed to the extradition last month said the family is “finally getting justice for Natalee.”

 

[JenaTaoson]

A cinderblock on the beach? Is anyone else's brain saying....what?!

 

[kaen]

A cinderblock on the beach? Is anyone else's brain saying....what?!

Buildings were going up in the area. So building materials would have been accessible is what I thought with that information.

 

[AnnieDuke]

Joran is innocent but confessed to killing her anyway?

I 100% believe JVDS did it and he wasn’t the only one involved. But to play devil’s advocate, this plea deal seems like a “admit you did it, give some details, and we drop this case and you get to go back to your cushy jail in Peru.”

In other words, I think Joran is still lying. I’m skeptical that this story is even 50% accurate and I wholly believe he will recant some day and go back to saying he’s innocent. He’ll say he had to take the deal and give the authorities whatever they wanted to make it happen.

 

[SkyBoomer]

I 100% believe JVDS did it and he wasn’t the only one involved. But to play devil’s advocate, this plea deal seems like a “admit you did it, give some details, and we drop this case and you get to go back to your cushy jail in Peru.”

In other words, I think Joran is still lying. I’m skeptical that this story is even 50% accurate and I wholly believe he will recant some day and go back to saying he’s innocent. He’ll say he had to take the deal and give the authorities whatever they wanted to make it happen.

I trust his lying murderous azz as far as I can throw him.

 

[katydid23]

I 100% believe JVDS did it and he wasn’t the only one involved. But to play devil’s advocate, this plea deal seems like a “admit you did it, give some details, and we drop this case and you get to go back to your cushy jail in Peru.”

In other words, I think Joran is still lying. I’m skeptical that this story is even 50% accurate and I wholly believe he will recant some day and go back to saying he’s innocent. He’ll say he had to take the deal and give the authorities whatever they wanted to make it happen.

I agree with all of the above. But the post I was replying to was about Beth being the dishonest one, and them claiming that Joran was misunderstood and innocent of the crime.

I agree that he minimised the extent of his murderous actions and lied about being the only one involved. I think his father helped him get a boat to dispose of her. But Dad is dead so no use fighting over that now, imo.

I'm just glad he took the deal so Natalee's family could finally move on from this nightmare and consider it solved. JMO

 

[LaborDayRN]

I 100% believe JVDS did it and he wasn’t the only one involved. But to play devil’s advocate, this plea deal seems like a “admit you did it, give some details, and we drop this case and you get to go back to your cushy jail in Peru.”

In other words, I think Joran is still lying. I’m skeptical that this story is even 50% accurate and I wholly believe he will recant some day and go back to saying he’s innocent. He’ll say he had to take the deal and give the authorities whatever they wanted to make it happen.

I agree and welcome to WebSlueths @AnnieDuke

 

[AnnieDuke]

A cinderblock on the beach? Is anyone else's brain saying....what?!

I think Joran is determined to hurt Beth any way he can. 1) he never wants her to have the truth, and 2) when forced to admit guilt and provide details he is going to go with something that he thinks will add more pain to Beth.

 

[citygirl]

I agree with all of the above. But the post I was replying to was about Beth being the dishonest one, and claiming that Joran was misunderstood and innocent of the crime.

I agree that he minimised the extent of his murderous actions and lied about being the only one involved. I think his father helped him get a boat to dispose of him. But Dad is dead so no use fighting over that now, imo.

I'm just glad he took the deal so Natalee's family could finally move on from this nightmare and consider it solved. JMO

BBM. Have I read this correctly?

 

[William N]

Aruba has a 12 year statute of limitations for murder. I can't even begin to imagine what the rationale is behind that law.

The statute of limitation, plus the concurrent sentences, is why it is in his self-interest to confess. JVS apparently took a polygraph regarding the confession.

 

[AnnieDuke]

I agree with all of the above. But the post I was replying to was about Beth being the dishonest one, and claiming that Joran was misunderstood and innocent of the crime.

I agree that he minimised the extent of his murderous actions and lied about being the only one involved. I think his father helped him get a boat to dispose of him. But Dad is dead so no use fighting over that now, imo.

I'm just glad he took the deal so Natalee's family could finally move on from this nightmare and consider it solved. JMO

Oh I know. Sorry I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. I was lurking and your post triggered a thought for me. I sincerely hope this gives Natalee’s family closure and I hope we never hear from Joran again. I’m just fearful that won’t be the case in the long run.

 

[katydid23]

A cinderblock on the beach? Is anyone else's brain saying....what?!

I have seen people use those concrete cinderblocks to make little fire pits for cooking at night. I'm not sure if they allow that there though.

 

[LaborDayRN]

The statute of limitation, plus the concurrent sentences, is why it is in his self-interest to confess. JVS apparently took a polygraph regarding the confession.

I think the "polygraph" is a big ol' nothing burger. There's a reason polygraph results are often not admissible in court IMO.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I have seen people use those concrete cinderblocks to make little fire pits for cooking at night. I'm not sure if they allow that there though.

And boaters can use them as anchors.

 

[Seattle1]

Stephany was murdered on the anniversary of NH vanishing so not far-fetched she was googling. I also think he murdered Stephany to rob her.

Joran van der Sloot's Graphic Murder Confession

Joran van der Sloot said he strangled and beat Stephany Flores before killing her by smothering her with his bloody shirt.

abcnews.go.com

From my quoted post, what are we to take from the similarity of JVDS's confession that he murdered MS. Flores Ramirez to his latest confession he murdered Natalee by first kicking her and then bashing her in the face with a concrete block after Natalee kneed him in the groin?

I also recall investigators' first reaction to seeing Ms. Flores-Ramirez body was that she was beaten in the head and face with a baseball bat until they located a tennis racket in the hotel room which was believed used by JVDS to beat the victim.

From the quoted link:

Calling the murder an "impulsive act," Van der Sloot gave a detailed description to Peruvian police about how he killed Flores, 21, in his Lima, Peru hotel room on May 30.

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Van der Sloot, 22, told police he received a message from an unknown person that read: "I'm going to kill you, you little Mongoloid."

When he explained that the message was a threat pertaining to his connection to Holloway's disappearance, Flores freaked out and lashed out at him, according to a transcript of his confession obtained by the Associated Press.

" She struck me on the left side of my head with her fist," he said.

"At that moment, impulsively, with my right elbow. I hit her in the face exactly on top of her nose," van der Sloot said, according to his confession

"I think she started to faint. It affected me so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a minute," he told investigators.

"There was blood everywhere. What am I going to do now? I had blood on my shirt. There was also blood on the bed, so I took off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing hard, until I killed Stephany," he said.

Police asked van der Sloot for a more detailed description of what happened, and he obliged with an even more graphic account of his assault on her.

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed. Immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor, but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long, but she stops breathing. In this way I think I caused her death," he said when investigators asked for a details description of the murder.

IMO, JVDS is a skilled liar who obliged the FBI with sufficient details to prove he was Natalee's killer but stopped short of incriminating anybody else on how he disappeared Natalie's body, most likely involving a concrete block and a deep waterway. JVDS murdered two petite women with his bare hands after they refused him and tried to defend themselves against him. He's a vicious animal and I can't wait until he's returned to his Peruvian cage and we never have to hear of him again. MOO