Ashley Madison cheating website hacked, July 2015

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I struggle with thinking of the possible cheaters as victims, as I think there is an assumed risk any time you put anything on the internet. If websleuths was hacked and my profile was linked to my real life fb, I wouldn't consider myself a victim, as when I signed up with an email I knew I was taking a risk. I would consider myself unlucky. But that is just my personal opinion on it. The Internet is not this feel good place of strangers who just want to hug and play nice, and it would be naive to think that any thing you put out there couldn't come back to haunt you.

I do however feel quite sad for all the blindsided spouses, and families with children who may suffer as a result of this. But, I hope some of those spouses find comfort in truth and see that it's a good thing they found out instead of living a lie.
 
Dogface said:
I struggle with thinking of the possible cheaters as victims, as I think there is an assumed risk any time you put anything on the internet. If websleuths was hacked and my profile was linked to my real life fb, I wouldn't consider myself a victim, as when I signed up with an email I knew I was taking a risk. I would consider myself unlucky. But that is just my personal opinion on it. The Internet is not this feel good place of strangers who just want to hug and play nice, and it would be naive to think that any thing you put out there couldn't come back to haunt you.

I do however feel quite sad for all the blindsided spouses, and families with children who may suffer as a result of this. But, I hope some of those spouses find comfort in truth and see that it's a good thing they found out instead of living a lie.
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So let me get this straight. You buy something online from a vendor and later they get hacked. By your reasoning, it's your fault, not theirs - correct? Not only are these folks being "outed" for being members, but their credit cards, emails, names and addresses are being put out there for anyone to see. As far as cominuppance, this seems extreme IMHOO.
 
Dogface said:
I struggle with thinking of the possible cheaters as victims, as I think there is an assumed risk any time you put anything on the internet. If websleuths was hacked and my profile was linked to my real life fb, I wouldn't consider myself a victim, as when I signed up with an email I knew I was taking a risk. I would consider myself unlucky. But that is just my personal opinion on it. The Internet is not this feel good place of strangers who just want to hug and play nice, and it would be naive to think that any thing you put out there couldn't come back to haunt you.

I do however feel quite sad for all the blindsided spouses, and families with children who may suffer as a result of this. But, I hope some of those spouses find comfort in truth and see that it's a good thing they found out instead of living a lie.
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Websleuths, Facebook (eta: maybe not... FB accounts can have a lot of personal information attached), twitter, instagram, sites like that I agree - not really victims. But what if your credit card, mortgage, student loan, bank, paypal, or amazon accounts were hacked? That's why I personally refer to the users as victims, because they're victims of the hackers. I don't think of them as victims otherwise, and if I could think of a more appropriate word I would probably use it. They were account owners and users before this happened so, for me, it doesn't seem quite right to refer to them that way now.

If it didn't involve their financial information and addresses I would probably say foolish and unlucky. Those two factors are what make the difference in my mind.

The hacker(s) set out to attack and left victims of all kinds in their wake.

JMO.
 
bestill said:
It was reported that he has a profile on another site Adult Friend Finders and it was a couples profile, she's his partner. Here's the link....http://eastorlandopost.com/jeff-ash...riend-finder-account-new-information-suggests
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WOW! OK, so that would be more than enough for me to get a divorce...His poor wife ..damn.
I know men who cheat are very hard pressed to tell on themselves, and it appears he did not come clean with the public but I hope he was honest with his wife at least..but I'm a doubter.
 
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psyquestor said:
So let me get this straight. You buy something online from a vendor and later they get hacked. By your reasoning, it's your fault, not theirs - correct? Not only are these folks being "outed" for being members, but their credit cards, emails, names and addresses are being put out there for anyone to see. As far as cominuppance, this seems extreme IMHOO.
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I'm not saying that Ashley Madison(for keeping the info that should have been purged) or the hackers are not at fault. But I don't think anyone besides those I mentioned earlier are true victims.

And I absolutely wouldn't consider myself a victim in any capacity if my credit card was stolen online. it was my choice to use my cc online, which is known to be risky. If I was that fearful of the known risk, I would pay cash in store. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think I am a victim in any manner as I chose to take that risk. Sure, it sucks. And I would consider myself unlucky, but, not a victim. And of course that's JMO.
 
Well, whether or not you consider it your fault, it is identity theft and it's a crime. Making those who have suffered that crime, victims.

fwiw
 
psyquestor said:
Well, whether or not you consider it your fault, it is identity theft and it's a crime. Making those who have suffered that crime, victims.

fwiw
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Thats why I said "I" am having a hard time considering it. And said it was all IMO. Feel free to disagree, the laws were broken, and that's a fact. However, IMO, when you put information online and expect it to be safe it is very foolish. And hopefully people will learn the Internet is not the best place to try and keep a secret on.
 
I'm seriously surprised with JA's judgement. Think of the potential jury or witnesses he may have encountered with these websites. Is that grounds for a mistrial on past cases?
 
Dogface said:
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I'm not saying that Ashley Madison(for keeping the info that should have been purged) or the hackers are not at fault. But I don't think anyone besides those I mentioned earlier are true victims.

And I absolutely wouldn't consider myself a victim in any capacity if my credit card was stolen online. it was my choice to use my cc online, which is known to be risky. If I was that fearful of the known risk, I would pay cash in store. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think I am a victim in any manner as I chose to take that risk. Sure, it sucks. And I would consider myself unlucky, but, not a victim. And of course that's JMO.
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I understand it's your opinion, but I find it really odd to not consider someone whose credit card has been stolen a victim. I've never considered theft a victimless crime.

What if it were someone's medical records? Do you think they're victims?
 
bluesneakers said:
I understand it's your opinion, but I find it really odd to not consider someone who's credit card has been stolen a victim. I've never considered theft a victimless crime.
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I guess that just stems from my lack of trust in all things electronically conducted. I think it exposes you to an increased level of risk. Even using cards at the store or carrying them in your wallet can put you at risk for them being stolen. That's why I have one card with very little money on it that I use for online transactions. I still fill out withdrawa/depositl slips at the bank. And even then I know I am still at risk. Fortunately, most credit cards, if not all, have theft protection. But I think Internet users could do a lot more to ensure their own safety.
 
Let this be a lesson to people about what they put on the internet. As mentioned before the Ashley Madison site should have allowed for people to pay with bitcoin or PayPal then purged all the data as they said they had to the customers. Basically the AM site was a scam, the female profiles were largely fake, but I'm sure other similar ones operating now or in the future will put better safeguards in place, but even then the users should be aware that nothing is private on the internet and act accordingly.
 
Mrs G Norris said:
Let this be a lesson to people about what they put on the internet. As mentioned before the Ashley Madison site should have allowed for people to pay with bitcoin or PayPal then purged all the data as they said they had to the customers. Basically the AM site was a scam, the female profiles were largely fake, but I'm sure other similar ones operating now or in the future will put better safeguards in place, but even then the users should be aware that nothing is private on the internet and act accordingly.
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Nothing anywhere is 100% safe, and if you have any dealings in the 21st century a lot of your information is going to be online. There's no way around it. Even if you choose not to have online accounts your bank, insurance company, mortgage broker, your doctor, pharmacist, etc., all have accounts that can be hacked.

To me this is more a lesson in what not to do on the internet more than it is about what to put or not put on the internet.

It's also about who not to trust, but people will fall for scams every day, whether the be romantic, financial, or other. AM's customers risked a lot and lost a lot and my gut tells me not much of it was worth it.
 
The information different people have about me is astounding. The many people at the doctor's office. The inisurance company. Data miners on the net. My bank.

Unless you live off the grid and have no job and never use the internet, your life is an open book.

That is life now. There is so much ease of info. Whenever I have a question, Google it. It is great. So many things that are helpful.

And then there is the downside.
 
bluesneakers said:
Wow. So were the errors because it really was someone else or because he was hoping it would like it if the account was ever discovered? Hmmm.
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Bet it's him and he faked the bday to hook up with a younger chick. The address and account number on the cc will confirm it.
 
So many people cheat. With or without AM and similar sites, it will continue. I don't like the idea of anyone ever feeling so hopeless that suicide is their only option. I *do* like the idea of hypocrites being called out. So I have mixed feelings on the issue.
 
Dogface said:
Thats why I said "I" am having a hard time considering it. And said it was all IMO. Feel free to disagree, the laws were broken, and that's a fact. However, IMO, when you put information online and expect it to be safe it is very foolish. And hopefully people will learn the Internet is not the best place to try and keep a secret on.
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Then you really have to live under the rock, and not to have any bank accounts, emails, or credit cards. And never go to the doctor for that matter.
 
human said:
The information different people have about me is astounding. The many people at the doctor's office. The inisurance company. Data miners on the net. My bank.

Unless you live off the grid and have no job and never use the internet, your life is an open book.

That is life now. There is so much ease of info. Whenever I have a question, Google it. It is great. So many things that are helpful.

And then there is the downside.
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Of course you are absolutely correct! It's impossible Now to keep certain records from creating an online thumbprint, but I believe in risk management, and limiting your chances for being exposed as much as possible. I don't think people truly realize how risky it can be to put information out there unnecessarily.

While not an online issue. I think I feel this way because as a teenager I used my parents debit card to buy a fake id from a shady store. Their information was stolen and their card used. I increased my risk by using it unnecessarily. The fake id wasn't even good enough to use lol.
 
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