Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #6 *Arrest*

[Ellery84]

Wouldn't her coworkers say that instead of saying 'she sat alone in another room.'

If she was sitting alone 'in another room' it probably wasn't the control room she was sitting in alone. JMO

Maybe there was another room that wasn’t the control room, but maybe it was a different room where one could study or maybe complete modules online?

I agree with your point.

IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I've heard people say things like that about their childhoods, then heard their siblings refute it totally. So I will wait and see what comes out after the trial.

Siblings aren't all treated the same, in some families.

 

[katydid23]

Siblings aren't all treated the same, in some families.

I know. Maybe her mom just acted like a robot with her and no one else?

I'm just saying that IF she served anyone toxic mushrooms, then I might not believe everything she says at face value. JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Might also be a little tricky to have a landlady who’s being held on suspicion of murder! Could get complicated if she doesn’t have anyone willing to act as some sort of proxy.

I think where money's involved, agencies would represent the landlord, even if they're in prison. As long as they get their fee!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think that is very interesting because an Air Traffic Controller would hopefully be very concerned about airliners being hijacked and crashed into buildings. Surprised that she wouldn't sit with the other ATCs to earn what they needed to learn about that tragic situation

I don't think she was a very empathetic or compassionate person. JMO

Like most people, I remember exactly where I was on 9/11 and the thing is that as the situation unfolded all of us around the world were in shock and disbelief. People frantically called us to the nearest TV as the event happened and we stood and watched feeling completely mind blown. Obviously not every single person had the same response as me and people I know but I can't imagine someone refusing to come and see what's going on in the unfolding news live, especially if they work in ATC. If this story is true (may not be) then certainly EP is a very special type of person IMO.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I am not 100% sure that is a true description of her childhood. Sometimes people exaggerate such things for sympathy or attention. JMO

I've heard people say things like that about their childhoods, then heard their siblings refute it totally. So I will wait and see what comes out after the trial.

There’s also the attention and special treatment you get from others when they believe you have suffered trauma (that can’t be fact-checked). Big hearted people, at work, socially, will provide all kinds of benefits to someone who is “fragile” and needs support ….

 

[DeDee]

“We had a horrible upbringing. Mum was essentially a cold robot.

“It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don’t touch babies.”

It’s the Russian orphanage comment for me.

I’ve never, ever heard someone say that about their childhood or infancy before. Ever.

I feel really devastated for Erin that she perceived her upbringing as such. It’s heartbreaking.

IMO

If true, could mental disorders develop such as an attachment disorder? I'm not claiming EP has any disorders or diseases. Just trying to figure out why a millionaire wished to successfully poison so many people.

Once attachment disorder has developed, signs might include:

• The baby or child doesn't turn to his/her mother or main caregiver when upset.
• The baby or child avoids physical touch or being comforted.
• The baby or child does not smile or respond when interacting with an adult.
• The child does not show any affection towards his/her parent or caregiver.
• The child has difficult, aggressive behaviour towards other children or adults.
• The child is very withdrawn and does not interact with other children or adults.
• The child is anxious, fearful, or depressed.
• The child is unable to control his/her temper or anger.

JMHOO

 

[Ellery84]

I know. Maybe her mom just acted like a robot with her and no one else?

I'm just saying that IF she served anyone toxic mushrooms, then I might not believe everything she says at face value. JMO

The thing is that according to all reports - at the time of the beef Wellington lunch, Erin was surrounded by a caring, Christian family in Simon’s parents and relatives.

Moo

(Her own mother had already died).

She allegedly killed three of them and according to the Crown, allegedly attempted to also kill Pastor Ian, who fortunately survived.

Erin said in her driveway interview with reporters that they had been nothing but nice to her.

So, perhaps her own mother was like a robot to her. But she landed with a bunch of caring, loving, reputable parental figures in ex partner Simon’s family.

Imo

According to the Crown, Erin murdered three of Simon’s relatives.

If she is ever found guilty, and she may be completely innocent - imo a judge may look at mitigating factors in sentencing, such as childhood trauma.

Imo

Disclaimer: Erin Patterson has the presumption of innocence on all charges.

 

[Kemug]

Siblings aren't all treated the same, in some families.

This reminds me of a family that I knew in my long ago teaching days. There were 5 children, and the mother was a well-dressed, charming lady, who happened to also be the President of the Parents and Friends Association. Three of the children were well cared for, beautifully dressed, etc, as you would expect. But the little boy in my class was quite the opposite - poorly dressed, obviously malnourished, sometimes had unexplained injuries, never had anything for lunch. I also learnt that the oldest child, a girl, had been similarly treated, and taken into care. At 20, I didn't actually do anything about it, but trusted the other teachers to do what they could. I left at the end of the year, and moved interstate. So I never heard the end of the story. But the children of that family could certainly attest to different treatment. And it may happen more often than we realize.

 

[ch_13]

I feel like maybe Erin was in the other room keeping an eye on the actual planes whilst her colleagues were glued to the TV screen?

I mean someone had to be watching the planes come and go.

Maybe her focus was on her work, and she would catch up with this horrific incident unfolding in the USA when she was done with her shift?

IMO

Do you really think that in the perilous environment of September 11 all the air traffic controllers abandoned their jobs to watch tv, leaving just a single person to watch all the planes? That sounds pretty implausible to me. In any case, according the Herald Sun article Erin was still in training during September 11. So she wouldn't have been the one responsible for directing plane traffic.

Additionally, it should be noted that with the time difference, the WTC collapse would have happened in the middle of the night, Australian time. Since they were still in training, the group wouldn't have been working overnight. I think the incident with Erin segregating herself would have actually happened the following day, September 12. By which time the events had pretty much all unfolded and it was mostly talking heads on tv.

What I suspect is that the instructors were needed to help deal with the aftermath, so the trainees may have been at loose ends for a day or two. While the others hung out together and watched the news, Erin chose to stay in a different room from them and not engage. (I don't really blame her for that. Lots of people needed space and time to process the events on their own terms.)

 

[Ellery84]

Do you really think that in the perilous environment of September 11 all the air traffic controllers abandoned their jobs to watch tv, leaving just a single person to watch all the planes? That sounds pretty implausible to me. In any case, according the Herald Sun article Erin was still in training during September 11. So she wouldn't have been the one responsible for directing plane traffic.

Additionally, it should be noted that with the time difference, the WTC collapse would have happened in the middle of the night, Australian time. Since they were still in training, the group wouldn't have been working overnight. I think the incident with Erin segregating herself would have actually happened the following day, September 12. By which time the events had pretty much all unfolded and it was mostly talking heads on tv.

What I suspect is that the instructors were needed to help deal with the aftermath, so the trainees may have been at loose ends for a day or two. While the others hung out together and watched the news, Erin chose to stay in a different room from them and not engage. (I don't really blame her for that. Lots of people needed space and time to process the events on their own terms.)

I was suggesting that maybe, actually, Ms. Patterson wasn’t watching television on Sept 11 at work, because she was working. IMO

Her former colleague apparently reported to the journalist that Erin was at work, and a lot of people go to work to do the work that they are supposed to do.
Maybe she watched television in the morning before she came to work, and then when she got home. IMO

I don’t know what kind of work tasks she had that day, I’m not an ATC, but I would suggest that she may have been off completing her tasks and not watching the television. IMO

I was kind of thinking that it her job was an air traffic controller, that one of her roles would be to deal with matters of air traffic control, so yes I was inferring that if she was at work as an air traffic controller, that she may have been performing her work duties on that day. Apologies if I did not I fully understand what actual work tasks she had on that day. I wasn’t briefed on her tasks or schedule of work projects that she had to complete on that day.

I don’t think there is any proof that I have seen that Erin was training on 11 Sept 2001 and what that training may have entailed or if she was at that point working as an ATC, controlling the air traffic.

Also, I don’t think any of this really has any baring on the alleged crime that we are discussing, which is to do with an alleged poisoning incident (or cluster of incidents) in Leongatha, Victoria, following a Beef Wellington lunch.

Someone having a job in 2001, and then allegedly committing a crime in 2023, which seems to be completely unrelated to the alleged crime, seems to me to be really quite off-topic and it doesn’t add much value, imho, it on our discussions regarding the alleged mushroom lunch at Leongatha in 2023.

All jmo

 

[ch_13]

I don’t think there is any proof that I have seen that Erin was training on 11 Sept 2001 and what that training may have entailed or if she was at that point working as an ATC, controlling the air traffic.

I can't quote the article because it's behind a paywall, but basically the gist was that the group of 13 were in training from February to November 2001. At the time of the attack they were supposed to be doing course work that day. But everyone, save Erin, gathered around the TV instead.

In any case, I do agree that the link to her alleged crime is pretty tenuous.

 

[Tweet57]

Also, I don’t think any of this really has any baring on the alleged crime that we are discussing, which is to do with an alleged poisoning incident (or cluster of incidents) in Leongatha, Victoria, following a Beef Wellington lunch.

Someone having a job in 2001, and then allegedly committing a crime in 2023, which seems to be completely unrelated to the alleged crime, seems to me to be really quite off-topic and it doesn’t add much value, imho, it on our discussions regarding the alleged mushroom lunch at Leongatha in 2023.

All jmo

Thank you Ellery!

 

[Ellery84]

Thank you Ellery!

Pleasure, @Tweet57

 

[LordMo]

I don't fault her for being in another room on 9/11. As someone here pointed out previously the attacks had happened overnight in Australia so I can't blame someone for feeling overwhelmed/oversaturated by the media blitz -- Especially if she happened to already be feeling intense stress from the ATC job before a major international incident involving her line of work kicked off.

I don't know, there's a lot about her past behavior patterns to unpack but I feel like presenting her choice to clock out of an overwhelming situation as a move of cold-bloodedness or what-have-you might be a bit of a stretch. People react to historical trauma differently.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Maybe she's one of those people who don't like watching real like disasters as they happen.

Also maybe as it was planes, it was a bit too close to home due to the responsibilities of her job.

I wonder how long after that did she leave the job.

 

[arrogantcat]

Someone having a job in 2001, and then allegedly committing a crime in 2023, which seems to be completely unrelated to the alleged crime, seems to me to be really quite off-topic and it doesn’t add much value, imho, it on our discussions regarding the alleged mushroom lunch at Leongatha in 2023.

All jmo

Yes, we’ve definitely reached the ‘dearth of updates so we’ll overanalyse any tiny breadcrumb available’ part of the process! But I’m as guilty of it as anyone.

Think this ‘scoop’ would have been more powerful if they’d kept it to “she seemed odd when I worked with her years ago”, and left the rest to the imagination, really!

 

[arrogantcat]

I think where money's involved, agencies would represent the landlord, even if they're in prison. As long as they get their fee!

You’re probably right! Although, based on my past experiences of renting, it was hard enough to get a landlord to cough up for urgent repairs at the best of times. I can’t imagine them being banged up awaiting a triple murder charge makes things any easier!

 

[Ellery84]

Yes, we’ve definitely reached the ‘dearth of updates so we’ll overanalyse any tiny breadcrumb available’ part of the process! But I’m as guilty of it as anyone.

Yes, here we are! Breadcrumbs indeed!!!

It’s going to be pretty quiet up until May, unless she applied for bail through the Supreme Court between now and then……

IMO

Think this ‘scoop’ would have been more powerful if they’d kept it to “she seemed odd when I worked with her years ago”, and left the rest to the imagination, really!

 

[Ellery84]

You’re probably right! Although, based on my past experiences of renting, it was hard enough to get a landlord to cough up for urgent repairs at the best of times. I can’t imagine them being banged up awaiting a triple murder charge makes things any easier!

I don’t know if one would be able to rent a property out whilst incarcerated, even on remand, as surely, the premise is that whilst in prison the person is not generating regular income on the “outside”?

Correct me if I am wrong, I don’t know enough about the regulations around this.

Imo

Also, NZ Herald have picked up on the cold robot yarn and have reproduced some of the content:

Texts reveal accused killer mushroom chef's 'horrible' upbringing, new details of past

Fresh details emerge of Erin Patterson's childhood.

www.nzherald.co.nz

IMO