Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #18

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[Ooohm]

Must admit to being a little shocked at the extent of the damage to the Prado. Am more willing to entertain the idea that that car became damaged on or around the time that Allison disappeared.
Kudos to you Indromum, seeing is believing!

 

[pugsandfrogs]

Just catching up and apologies if anyone has mentioned this before. But firstly how about the timing of the return of the car. Were the media alerted of its impending return so that they could release pictures?
I just get the feeling that this is another way QP are tightening the noose.
I could of course be reading too much into this. Just something rattling around my belly.
MOO

 

[Willowwind]

There does seem to be a fair bit of dirt/mud above the mud flap of the parado. If you look at the captiva photo in the garage the wheels are clean. The damage looks like It a low but hard impact. This is just going to add to the already overwhelming speculation and fire up the rumor mill agaisnt GBC some more. Also - the police seem to say early on that seem to know what happened. Wouldn't take too much investigative work to place that car near the scene if there was enough evidence left on the vechicle due to the crash.

 

[pugsandfrogs]

I think I maybe a little behind. The Prado has been seen at the family home by Indromum prior to this news article. CM it seems are behind as well.
Ignore my post above.

 

[Mystique75]

Are there large rocks or boulders lying around in any of the areas of interest? A boulder in the scrub at night would be easily missed? But that's just too dumb, surely!

Personally I think it's clever that the damage was not mentioned (if it was known to police from day 1 of 'disappearance') because this would allow for witness statements to document a timeframe of when the damage occurred, rather than supposition, eg: someone who saw the vehicle at 11pm reports there was definitely no damage while witness who saw the vehicle at 3am noticed damage and headlight was smash etc etc

All is very much MOO!

 

[Curiousasacat]

Gerard has lost a lot of facebook friends the last 24 hours or so.
The pressure cooker feeling must be extreme right now.

While you guys are sleeping I had a little look at Aussiecrims. Haven't had time to read many of the posts there but this one was certainly interesting.
I can only copy and paste 10% so if you want to continue reading there is a link below.

Redback1 says:
June 5, 2012 at 12:51 am

I want to address the bridge body dump versus washed downstream theory.

I was a scout and I camped at Tyampolum scout campsite. I know the terrain, kholo creek and bridge, i grew up in the area and basically know the locational geography of this case very well.

I have been closely following this case like alot of people up and down the country.

I know the body was dumped over the railings of the Kholo bridge and not dumped upstream and washed down there in the rains – and I know the police know this.

One snippet the police have revealed is information relating to vehicle activity at the Kholo bridge based on an appeal for information.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/0/fi1555845.htm

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/...or Aussie Criminals and Crooks)#comment-32147

The post is close to the bottom by Redbank at 1251am.

 

[Woombite]

Must admit to being a little shocked at the extent of the damage to the Prado. Am more willing to entertain the idea that that car became damaged on or around the time that Allison disappeared.
Kudos to you Indromum, seeing is believing!

I would imagine that this sort of damage would trigger the airbags - so if it occurred on the night in question, perhaps that is what brought swift police action?

 

[Toowong(s)]

The dented car is a great new lead! Well done Indromum, you should have got some credit in the article.

I'm sure this new lead will be discussed at length today. Early posts about it are focusing on how GBC might have crashed it - which is of course a possibility.

I just wanted to point out that until Indromum's sighting most posters here seemed of the view (based on opinions of earlier "local" posters) that the Prado was in fact ABCs car and had until recently had the licence plate ALLISON.

I guess we don't know what is correct re the licence plate (before Indromum sighting) and who drove it on the night - but if it was ABCs car perhaps ABC crashed it?

Eg If ABC left the house voluntarily after GBC went to bed, perhaps ABC had a crash - maybe even into the guard rail on the bridge - and was trying to flag down help or assess damage when struck by a passing drunk driver, who then took steps to cover the accident (horrible thought - but pushed ABC off bridge, found address in car and returned car in the dead of night).

Just trying to think outside the square folks!

 

[J-Diggety]

The panels that seemed to have copped the direct impact, at the most pronounced depth, are usually plastic. The most interesting thing about the scratch on the side of the vehicle, is the actual height of it. Its a strange position of it to be in, unless the impact took place, and then further scrape damage as a result of shifting the wheel quickly. It seems too high to be a koppers log. If anything it looks some sort of guard rail damage, bridge, roundabout, sharp corner etc...

 

[Ferris]

The dented car is a great new lead! Well done Indromum, you should have got some credit in the article.

I'm sure this new lead will be discussed at length today. Early posts about it are focusing on how GBC might have crashed it - which is of course a possibility.

I just wanted to point out that until Indromum's sighting most posters here seemed of the view (based on opinions of earlier "local" posters) that the Prado was in fact ABCs car and had until recently had the licence plate ALLISON.

I guess we don't know what is correct re the licence plate (before Indromum sighting) and who drove it on the night - but if it was ABCs car perhaps ABC crashed

Eg If ABC left the house voluntarily after GBC went to bed, perhaps ABC had a crash - maybe even into the guard rail on the bridge - and was trying to flag down help or assess damage when struck by a passing drunk driver, who then took steps to cover the accident (horrible thought - but pushed ABC off bridge, found address in car and returned car in the dead of night).

Just trying to think outside the square folks!

My wife and I have two cars and we just drive whichever one we feel like at the time - there is no rhyme or reason. I think it is going to be difficult to say with any certainty who was driving what without some sort of physical evidence. MOO

 

[linette]

Seeing the damage on the car makes me think back to the few elusive posters we had that kept insisting that Allison had been run over. When asked why they thought this they would never elaborate... just be very forceful and rude. The posters aren't around anymore, but makes you wonder doesn't it? We had one after the other just come on here and say the same thing. They acted as if they 'knew' that she was run over. Hmmm!

So, when I saw the damaged on the car I thought I must've missed something from the word go, but I now know that you're all as surprised as me.

I am shocked though that with all of the speculation that he still drives it around like that.
Sorry, this is my early morning 'I just rolled on outta bed' post... so it could consist more of blah blah then anything interesting.

 

[linette]

Are there large rocks or boulders lying around in any of the areas of interest? A boulder in the scrub at night would be easily missed? But that's just too dumb, surely!

Personally I think it's clever that the damage was not mentioned (if it was known to police from day 1 of 'disappearance') because this would allow for witness statements to document a timeframe of when the damage occurred, rather than supposition, eg: someone who saw the vehicle at 11pm reports there was definitely no damage while witness who saw the vehicle at 3am noticed damage and headlight was smash etc etc

All is very much MOO!

Yes, and if the car had sustained damage that night, he would have been very panicked. IMO, it would have been way too suss if he had 'put the car somewhere else' to avoid the police seeing it, therefore IMO he HAD to leave it at home. The question would have been 'missing wife AND missing car?'
IF it happened this way, he couldn't really hide it because it would have all come out that it was somewhere else, and a panel beater would have guessed what COULD have happened. So IMO he would have been STUCK with a damaged car. This could be one of the things the police thought suss that morning.
The more I hear and see, the worse it looks for GBC IMO

 

[whitechapel]

1. Was the damage seen by visiting Police on the morning following Allison’s disappearance and was it his "version of events" that caused the search to quickly escalate?

2. Were the reported scratches on GBC related to argument in car?

3. Was the headlight on the damaged side not working, so only sidelights were used when driving at night?

4. Was the damage trying to be hidden by driving close to another car (blue/silver) late at night?

MOO/IMO etc

 

[marlywings]

From previous thread after I asked "what do you think he's hit"....

jubillee replied...By the looks of it I would guess he has hit something like a 4wd.
It has a very deep centered impact. (does that make sense?)lol.
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I'd love to know if there's any damage on rear of the Captiva...it's still in impound it seems

 

[zookyliz]

OK so I saw that car and got goose bumps. I recently hit a very large kangaroo - as big as a person - I'd guess the same height and weight. I hit it at 60kms p/h. Check out the comparison between my car and GBC's...
Just sayin'! And there's not much paint missing - which there would be if he'd hit a pylon/wall/another car as opposed to something soft.
All speculation, not accusing or saying anything happened, but you've got to see the similarity. All my opinion of course.
There's only really wallaby's in Brookfield, very rare to see a big roo (I wasn't in Brooky when I hit it). Keep in mind I've cable tied my bumper up so it wouldn't hang down like his car - but it was hanging down like that.