GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #2

[Bombil]

No I'm not saying that it was a movie or game that made him snap at all. I'm saying that he already had the fantasy but seeing something in a movie enhanced it. Like if he said to himself "Oh yeah, I like that, and he then incorporated that into his fantasy.

If a person is going to kill or has the desire to kill and everything about the crime scene in this case tells me he had that desire, then NO MOVIE will make anyone kill. It just helps their fantasy along, adds more detail to their already thinking. That is all I meant.

You're right, he probably did get some ideas from whatever he was watching or playing over the years. Media tends to be a lot more graphic today then it was 50 years ago. Things have moved on over the years, social norms have changed, expectations are different. It is interesting to compare a film from the 50's, where they only dared to hint at a kiss, or depict a crime verbally rather than show or the gory details, to todays standards.

Hell, even two decades have made a difference. In my time the only movies that were easily accessible were mainstream hollywood (or equivelent productions). Today you can find anything that your heart desires. It's very easy to find movies, music and games that depict things that the general populace would cringe at.

For someone who already has deep seeded desires to commit a crime it would be easy for them to relate to, or adopt, something that they see in a movie or game. I suspect it's always been this way, it's just that they are now armed, moreso than ever, with knowledge and graphic detail than they would not have been able to access in the past.

 

[smbc]

i thought he only lived around the corner?

 

[asha1972]

Hi Everyone,

Wow what a great website this is I have been totally enthralled by everything I have read here you are all doing an amazing job and I am glad I am not the only one totally blown away by this case. I have been following this case with interest since it happened because it is just the most horrible and saddest thing I have heard. I can't stop thinking about it, not just the mentality/mindset of the accused but the sheer terror the family must have gone through knowing what was happening and/or what was about to happen. Unimaginable horror! Now the devastation of the family left behind to try and get over this.

Reading this thread has taken me hours! Here are a few thoughts of my own.

1. His BEBO account says he drove a magna. In a thread on the RIP FB page (now deleted) 2 different people mentioned seeing a blue or gray magna earlier in the night in the street and then after the murders there was a person seen acting weird on the side of the road in a town not far from Kapunda. I have seen no reference to this on here?
2. How he gained access to the house. The police stated there was no forced entry. My theory is (knowing teenagers today) was that they were either texting each other (she was awake sending texts at 12.09am to her boss stating she wouldn't be in to work the next day) and arranging to meet up. He perhaps being in a desperate mindset begged her to talk to him so she invited him over and let him in or left a door open for him.
3. I would think they either got into an argument or he tried to do something to her and when she struggled/made a noise this woke the dad who came in to see what was happening and thats how he was killed. Knowing then that the mother was still in the house he probably went after her (all 3 were found in separate rooms). I would think he then went back to CR to do whatever he did to her. The Scottish news said he has been charged with a sex crime also so one cannot even imagine what he did (soooo sad!). This same article also says CR's injuries were horrific. That poor girl. Local police say the crime scene was "disturbing". Having seen so many crime stories and read so many crime books the blood spatter from this kind of attack would be substantial. If he staged her body afterwards, then even more disturbing.
4. I think the police had him pinned from the outset. Early on the house directly behind the Rowe's was searched even the washing machine and the washing in the machine.
5. Why didn't ANYBODY at the mechanical workshop inform the police about his injuries?
6. His mental state IMO is that of a loner, no father figure, mother probably always working or busy or tired to provide enough emotional support to a needy hormonal teenager.
7. I think he is a "sociopath". The way he acted after the crime shows he has a "narcissistic personality trait" thinking he has done nothing wrong. He mourns with people to get "attention" from people or to feel "wanted" in the grieving groups. He would have revelled in this.
8. Early on the police were removing all items placed on the memorial wall, perhaps they were looking for fingerprints/DNA as they knew the accused was still in town.
9. SB stated that he was driven to the police station by her SIL and then the police grabbed him and arrested him from the car. In ALL news reports it stated "he handed himself in".
10. The blood drips in the street could have been blood "dripping" from the murder weapon and not him?
11. The police not being able to find the murder weapon yet - he could have stashed it in a crawl space, rooftop (i feel they will find it). The accused thinks he is too good to be caught so he probably hasn't given indepth thought into a "good" hiding spot. As for the weapon being washing in a dishwasher and put back in a cupboard - I am sure they could/would use Luminol to check for blood.
12. I do not think he will ever get an insanity plea due to his actions after the crime.
13. Not sure if this is accurate, but in the past in Australia if there is a high profile case in a certain state - to get a fair trial a trial can be moved to interstate to get an unbiased jury????????

Sorry if any of this is being rehashed or doesn't make sense. I am intrigued by all of this. I suppose we all want in on the mind of the accused.

I am no expert and these are just my thoughts.

 

[tart]

and walked all that way with covere with blood??

big risk incase he ran into someone...doesnt make sence

 

[tart]

also his brother shares the same last name but is jd older? on bebo he says his dad left when he was 2 months...did his mother marry? just confused about the names

 

[Lera213]

You're right, he probably did get some ideas from whatever he was watching or playing over the years. Media tends to be a lot more graphic today then it was 50 years ago. Things have moved on over the years, social norms have changed, expectations are different. It is interesting to compare a film from the 50's, where they only dared to hint at a kiss, or depict a crime verbally rather than show or the gory details, to todays standards.

Hell, even two decades have made a difference. In my time the only movies that were easily accessible were mainstream hollywood (or equivelent productions). Today you can find anything that your heart desires. It's very easy to find movies, music and games that depict things that the general populace would cringe at.

For someone who already has deep seeded desires to commit a crime it would be easy for them to relate to, or adopt, something that they see in a movie or game. I suspect it's always been this way, it's just that they are now armed, moreso than ever, with knowledge and graphic detail than they would not have been able to access in the past.

The show "Dexter" I watch it but at first didn't want to at all. and I knew this was a dangerous show for someone that already had a desire. Copy cats abound out there and sure enough someone who killed blamed that show.

It did help me to gain some insight on the sicko killers out there, even if it is a TV show, they draw from actual cases so as to make it look real. I'm sure this character's profile was from standard psychiatric books and I turn my head during many scenes in this show. I find this show very close to being over the edge and I'm one who is all for free speech and not ban things just because I don't approve of them. Scary stuff!

 

[secret]

That is strange that they say he handed himself in isn't it. But if you think about it, why would you hand yourself in IF you haven't pleaded guilty. Obviously they mean he came in off his own free will, although he didnt realise he was getting arrested.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

and walked all that way with covere with blood??

big risk incase he ran into someone...doesnt make sence

The Magna in asha1972's AWESOME post above makes me think he drove.

Welcome to WS asha!!!

 

[smbc]

asha, the text was sent at 12.09pm (during the day). I thought the same thing to begin with.

I also heard they removed all posters and flowers from the shrine to test.

 

[Cyclone82]

If anyone is collecting articles or is interested in seeing some that they havent seen, you can see this weeks and last weeks Barossa Herald articles here on the murders.
http://barossa.realviewtechnologies.com/

 

[Lera213]

also his brother shares the same last name but is jd older? on bebo he says his dad left when he was 2 months...did his mother marry? just confused about the names

From the poem I got from the first few lines that they are half brothers and that he was born UNNATURAL UNION, RAPE?

 

[Cyclone82]

Did he walk up the main street after he did it???

Ok so 'END' is the Rowe house and 'START' is his house.

Well although its in walking distance, there would be no way he would walk that far with either a weapon or bloody clothes, even taking the back steets would be too much of a risk in my opinion, but could have been possible. I reckon he must of used a vehicle at some stage. He may have walked a few streets away and got in a vehicle there?

 

[Lera213]

I still have some anger over the neighbor who heard the screams and didn't call police. What were they thinking!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Asha1972..this;
His BEBO account says he drove a magna. In a thread on the RIP FB page (now deleted) 2 different people mentioned seeing a blue or gray magna earlier in the night in the street and then after the murders there was a person seen acting weird on the side of the road in a town not far from Kapunda. I have seen no reference to this on here?

Do we know what town...if that's right and he drove to the crime and dumped the weapon straight afterwards I wonder if this tip has been called in? Or if police have been conducting any searches over there....

And agree with you about the personality and the question, why didn't anyone at his work report his injuries...it seems that two people saw these cuts, that stuck out as very odd when mentioned earlier!

 

[Bombil]

The show "Dexter" I watch it but at first didn't want to at all. and I knew this was a dangerous show for someone that already had a desire. Copy cats abound out there and sure enough someone who killed blamed that show.

It did help me to gain some insight on the sicko killers out there, even if it is a TV show, they draw from actual cases so as to make it look real. I'm sure this character's profile was from standard psychiatric books and I turn my head during many scenes in this show. I find this show very close to being over the edge and I'm one who is all for free speech and not ban things just because I don't approve of them. Scary stuff!

I actually love dexter, it's one of my favourite shows (along with glee, star trek, babylon 5 and a host of others It doesnt inspire a 'dark passenger' within me. I just like the show, acting and storyline (although season 3 with the DA was stupid and unrealistic

I suppose that if I was a murderous psychopath then it might give me some ideas, but none of the ideas presented are alltogether new really. CSI, law and order, NCIS, and their ilk are far more revealing in many respects.

Interestingly enough, i was broken into several years ago and I had a chat with the police officer about it. He bemoaned the crime shows for being entirely unrealistic, for example, the spray they use to detect blood etc is actually toxic and can cause cancer - they use it sparingly and in full cover suits when doing so

At any rate we are veering far off topic

 

[mum73]

I think you'll find he recently bought a VB Commodore...that Bebo account appears to have been used very little in recent times.
But a neighbour did report seeing a silver Magna earlier in the evening. 4 guys with shaved heads apparently got in and took off. I actually think this was the same neighbour who said he heard R's screams.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So the Magna sighting unrelated then.

 

[smbc]

if you are saying that start is his house and End is hers. The blood trail out the from of the house went in the opposite direction to his house.

 

[Lera213]

LOL Bombil,

I have a love hate relationship to watching Dexter, I have the last episode on my desktop but haven't seen it yet. It literally takes me a while to get myself ready to view it.

Perhaps we can start a new discussion on the Show and chat in it each week.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Right....so he may have walked up to a parked car, or to the railway line as suggested up thread.