Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #17

[Bunnie]

I've definitely read some wild sleuthing tangents and theories on here! Not being critical, it adds to the interest 😝 First that comes to mind is the ghostly apparition someone said they saw walking down a road! And, well, some other fairly out there ideas!!! I don't think Bunnie was being overly critical - a fair comment me thinks!

Exactly. Thank you. My personal favourites are the Droc files, the GPS points/line theory and the cargo ship Fiat dumping conspiracy.

All very entertaining to read but clog up this thread for pages when they get rehashed over.

As for the taxi theories, it only bothers me when half truths or unsubstantiated "facts" /hearsay is used to fortify personal theories.

Oh, and when Debi Marshall's book gets quoted as hard fact. That annoys me most. It is an interesting read, but, we need to remember ihe book is one person's intepretation of events and a collation of rumours and innuendo all designed to profit from a series of sad and devastating abduction and murders.

 

[Ringos]

I hope we get to hear more evidence that’s been kept quiet as it has been very scant, if I was accused of something I was innocent of and I was locked up I’d be screaming & shouting and creating a hell of a ***** storm. BRE has been strangely quiet, however I still have an open mind. It would be good if SS remains are revealed so her family have some closure.


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[Spooks-R-Us]

IMO I think WAPOL are hiding fact they have some excellent evidence from JR, and probably DNA found on JR.

IMO charging a man with murder purely on car upholstery fibres seems just too flimsy. I bet there's more better quality evidence to be revealed. Especially for JR, but also for other 3 victims too.


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[Spooks-R-Us]

IMO I think WAPOL are hiding fact they have some excellent evidence from JR, and probably DNA found on JR.

IMO charging a man with murder purely on car upholstery fibres seems just too flimsy. I bet there's more better quality evidence to be revealed. Especially for JR, but also for other 3 victims too.


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Let me guess - I bet (hope) WAPOL/prosecution have DNA collected from underneath victim's fingernails from possibly scratching their attacker while trying to escape.


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[Annalise]

I hope we get to hear more evidence that’s been kept quiet as it has been very scant, if I was accused of something I was innocent of and I was locked up I’d be screaming & shouting and creating a hell of a ***** storm. BRE has been strangely quiet, however I still have an open mind. It would be good if SS remains are revealed so her family have some closure.


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Hi Ringos - we don't know what the accused's reaction to being locked up for all this time has been. There is no news about him at all. Nothing. Absolutely nothing on tv or in newspapers. It's amazing really. MOO

 

[Pandit]

There's obviously semen at Huntingdale and Karrakatta attack which is solid, whatever they have for Jane and Ciara I hope it's DNA that can't be explained by transfer of casual contact such as brushing past someone at the pub, we may have seen a small glimpse of how that might occur when MM spoke to JR on CCTV. They could have encountered each other earlier in the evening.

With limited knowledge of the evidence against BRE and not a lot about WA criminal law, particularly with Jane and Ciara I can envision a scenario where BRE's defence might offer a guilty plea to the two earlier attacks in exchange for withdrawal of the murder charges, or try to split the trials.

Then again, he might apply for judge only and dispense with a jury trial.

Let me guess - I bet (hope) WAPOL/prosecution have DNA collected from underneath victim's fingernails from possibly scratching their attacker while trying to escape.


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[Pandit]

He's been in custody long enough I'd hope they've checked him out thoroughly in relation to missing and murdered women. Considering he looks like a biker, whether a deliberately hairy disguise or because he's a member I briefly had thoughts of Lisa Govan as well who disappeared after being seen socialising at one of the MC clubs.

I'm wondering where has was on the night that Kerry Turner disappeared.

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[Bunnie]

IMO I think WAPOL are hiding fact they have some excellent evidence from JR, and probably DNA found on JR.

IMO charging a man with murder purely on car upholstery fibres seems just too flimsy. I bet there's more better quality evidence to be revealed. Especially for JR, but also for other 3 victims too.


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Agree there. Imho WAPOL has something. I just want to know what. The silence from both sides has been like a giant game of chess.

 

[ESH]

IMO I think WAPOL are hiding fact they have some excellent evidence from JR, and probably DNA found on JR.

IMO charging a man with murder purely on car upholstery fibres seems just too flimsy. I bet there's more better quality evidence to be revealed. Especially for JR, but also for other 3 victims too.


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Have offered what I thought was useful to this site a long way ago. Apart from the occasional comment, I continue to read in interest. For the sake of the beautiful women who were brutally assaulted and/or brutally murdered.....I sincerely hope & do believe.....WAPOL have a lot more evidence than we will ever be privy to. On such a serious case, I doubt they wold have made an arrest until they were certain. In my opinion, there was DNA link with Huntingdale intrusion, KK rape, JR & CG. I hope further evidence was found in home & vehicle searches. Once again....my opinion

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[Bunnie]

There's obviously semen at Huntingdale and Karrakatta attack which is solid, whatever they have for Jane and Ciara I hope it's DNA that can't be explained by transfer of casual contact such as brushing past someone at the pub, we may have seen a small glimmlmpse of how that might occur when MM spoke to JR on CCTV. They could have encountered each other earlier in the evening.

With limited knowledge of the evidence against BRE and not a lot about WA criminal law, particularly with Jane and Ciara I can envision a scenario where BRE's defence might offer a guilty plea to the two earlier attacks in exchange for withdrawal of the murder charges, or try to split the trials.

Then again, he might apply for judge only and dispense with a jury trial.

Snipped from this webpage...
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...CcwQFgi5ATAK&usg=AOvVaw0cB2ypKsJKOB9rnqe_Bj16

"Section 44 of the Criminal Procedure Act obliges a magistrate, at
the committal mention date, to ensure that the prosecution has
complied with its disclosure obligations. Upon being satisfied, the
magistrate must require the accused to formally plead to the charge
and then commit the accused for sentence or trial, as the case may
be, to the relevant superior court.
6. After committal, the prosecutor is obliged, by s 45(3) of the
Criminal Procedure Act, to provide to the court which will deal
with the accused, documents including all the disclosure material
and a certificate certifying that all confessional and evidential
material relevant to the charge has been served or made available
to the accused. It is an offence for a person to knowingly or
without reasonable diligence sign such a certificate which is false
in a material particular: s 45(6) of the Criminal Procedure Act."

So would I be correct in thinking that if the prosecution has given over everything BRE has to enter a plea at the Committal Mention starting on the 25th Oct.?

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

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IMO I think the reaction to BRE you are describing right there is the EXACT reason why the accused was able to disarm his alleged victims so easily.

I had a similar reaction when he was arrested.

Who knows! Maybe he's good at making first impressions?

I'm guessing the accused's manner and personality sent out ZERO bad vibes. Hence why he was able to volunteer for so long at LA without detection or slightest suspicion.

I'm not saying he was a likeable character, but IMO he has something about him that made me question the arrest, and it's probably the same part of his character that possibly made people feel at ease around him.

Until that moment however when he revealed his true (alleged) violent intentions. Then they, the victims, knew they had been duped.

IMO Much like a pedophile has to gain the trust of his/her victims through grooming, a SK must gain 'trust' of society by hiding their evil murderous intentions in order to have access to potential victims.

He seemed to move through society without too many issues (that I can perceive with the little we know about him).



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[Canning Vale]

I hope we get to hear more evidence that&#8217;s been kept quiet as it has been very scant, if I was accused of something I was innocent of and I was locked up I&#8217;d be screaming & shouting and creating a hell of a ***** storm. BRE has been strangely quiet, however I still have an open mind. It would be good if SS remains are revealed so her family have some closure.


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If there wasn't any DNA at JRs d-site, perhaps there was something else left there belonging to the accused - something silky like a kimono.
Or something put him at the scene, like a mobile phone, someone suggested just beforehand, the mobile phone signal being on the tower.
Perhaps went through a red light and WAPOL had a record for a long time.
He'd need an alibi for the nights too.

 

[no name]

Yes Bunnie, if it has all been provided and everyone is happy to proceed with what they have on the table. The prosecution asked for that much time to be able to prepare the case & you would hope the defense have had it for long enough to assess it all. You never know, they may not be ready and he's not getting out in the meantime so... It may be deafening silence. I suspect we'll be seeing a judge only trial eventually.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

There's obviously semen at Huntingdale and Karrakatta attack which is solid, whatever they have for Jane and Ciara I hope it's DNA that can't be explained by transfer of casual contact such as brushing past someone at the pub, we may have seen a small glimpse of how that might occur when MM spoke to JR on CCTV. They could have encountered each other earlier in the evening.

With limited knowledge of the evidence against BRE and not a lot about WA criminal law, particularly with Jane and Ciara I can envision a scenario where BRE's defence might offer a guilty plea to the two earlier attacks in exchange for withdrawal of the murder charges, or try to split the trials.

Then again, he might apply for judge only and dispense with a jury trial.

There may have been semen at CG and JR crime scenes, but the rain and sun may have degraded the DNA/semen. If rape occurred a semen vaginal sample may still be available if not degraded by the delay in finding the bodies.

Also semen can still be at crime scenes even though no actual rape occurs, like in the case of SK Denis Radar - BTK.
Bind-Torture-Kill. This evil sadistic SK didn't rape his victims, only masturbated over them or near them, either as they were dying from strangulation or post-mortem.

[video]https://youtu.be/jj5zeSDlqa0[/video]

 

[petedavo.au]

Hi Annalise - I don't think we can discuss whether we think he's guilty or innocent here publicly on WS. Because that particular topic of guilt vs innocence can risk subjudice .
Am I right PeteDavo?



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Stating that the accused is guilty or innocent, before the court makes such a finding, is Subjudicial Contempt of Court. Yes.

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[petedavo.au]

Snipped from this webpage...
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...CcwQFgi5ATAK&usg=AOvVaw0cB2ypKsJKOB9rnqe_Bj16

"Section 44 of the Criminal Procedure Act obliges a magistrate, at
the committal mention date, to ensure that the prosecution has
complied with its disclosure obligations. Upon being satisfied, the
magistrate must require the accused to formally plead to the charge
and then commit the accused for sentence or trial, as the case may
be, to the relevant superior court.
6. After committal, the prosecutor is obliged, by s 45(3) of the
Criminal Procedure Act, to provide to the court which will deal
with the accused, documents including all the disclosure material
and a certificate certifying that all confessional and evidential
material relevant to the charge has been served or made available
to the accused. It is an offence for a person to knowingly or
without reasonable diligence sign such a certificate which is false
in a material particular: s 45(6) of the Criminal Procedure Act."

So would I be correct in thinking that if the prosecution has given over everything BRE has to enter a plea at the Committal Mention starting on the 25th Oct.?

Yes.
When I worked at Central Law Courts, it was originally called an Election Day. By the time I transferred out, it was called a Committal Mention. Now, they call it a Committal Hearing or some such thing.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

SK: BTK Denis Radar
I watched YouTube vid of his confession for 10 murders.
Here are some of the SK behaviours he described:
- Owning a 'Hit Kit' which was a briefcase containing the items he needed to commit the crimes.
- Hit Kit usually consisted of various items like guns, rope, bags for covering their heads, and props.
- He used props like a fake 'telephone line testing machine' when he entered a home after telling the female home owner he was working for the telephone company testing the phone lines.
- Radar bought special clothes he called his 'Hit Clothes', which were clothing items that were markedly different to his normal attire.
- He discarded the Hit Clothes after each crime.
- Radar described different stages of serial killer activity.
- 1st stage was Trolling for victims.
- Radar spent a lot of time trolling for potential victims. IIRC weeks or months.
- Trolling involved driving around sussing out homes and victims that would suit his crimes.
- 2nd stage was Stalking. Once Radar decided on a victim, he attempted to find out about them.
- He watched them to learn their schedules, where and when they moved about, how many family members they had or close friends etc. He even looked in their letter boxes to learn their names.
- Stalking helped him decide when to commit the crime to avoid detection.
- Radar called potential victims 'Projects'.
- Radar didn't implicitly state this, but next stage was buying his HIt Clothes and getting his Hit Kit ready.
- Some crimes were committed without his Hit Kit (IIRC), as sometimes he needed to improvise on the spot.
- Final stage was the crime.
- Sometimes he broke into the house and waited for the victim to get home.
- Another time he hid in the house until visitors left and the female victim was alone.
- Sometimes he lied his way in pretending to be someone he was not.
- He killed a whole family, 2 parents, 2 kids. But mostly had female victims.
- He used a gun to control victims.
- He feigned caring, offering victims glasses of water and asking if they were okay or needed anything.
- Radar told lies to victims, like saying he would rape them when he didn't rape them, or lying that he wouldn't harm them and then he strangled them.
- Radar was a sadist and enjoyed watching victims die, and listening to their screams when other members of their family were being attacked.
- Radar got sexual excitement from killing and masturbated over the victims and crimes, but never raped victims.
- Family members were tied up and usually put in separate rooms.
- Radar took Polaroid photos of deceased victims in various positions while they were still tied up. He even tied up some victims post-mortem just for the photos.
- He attempted to clean up crime scened before leaving, but sometimes he got interrupted and had to bail.
- He took trophies, but not always. He didn't take trophies if he got interrupted.



[video]https://youtu.be/jj5zeSDlqa0[/video]

Edit: I didn't take notes while watching the vid, so I hope what i've written here is fairly accurate.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Stating that the accused is guilty or innocent, before the court makes such a finding, is Subjudicial Contempt of Court. Yes.

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hey Davo can you re-post that informative web source that explains SubJudice ?
I'd like to read it agin please.

 

[Canning Vale]

There may have been semen at CG and JR crime scenes, but the rain and sun may have degraded the DNA/semen. If rape occurred a semen vaginal sample may still be available if not degraded by the delay in finding the bodies.

Also semen can still be at crime scenes even though no actual rape occurs, like in the case of SK Denis Radar - BTK.
Bind-Torture-Kill. This evil sadistic SK didn't rape his victims, only masturbated over them or near them, either as they were dying from strangulation or post-mortem.

[video]https://youtu.be/jj5zeSDlqa0[/video]

As there aren't any rape charges for JR & CG, how could it be possible for semen to be located inside?

Also, about the victims clothing that's missing. If that clothing is located it might have their DNA on it. - like a hair.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

As there aren't any rape charges for JR & CG, how could it be possible for semen to be located inside?

Also, about the victims clothing that's missing. If that clothing is located it might have their DNA on it. - like a hair.

True. Good point.

But depending on the level of decomposition of the bodies, if there's no vaginal semen then there's no rape charges. No rape charges doesn't mean he didn't rape the poor victims. Just means there was no evidence of rape.