Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[crabstick]

Would Sarah call a cab, then within 6 minutes jump in someone elses car leaving the taxi company swinging in the wind in under 6 minutes? I wouldn't of thought so. So was a tax circling or was a taxi tapped into radio communications with scanner or similar? Was someone tapped into the Telecom phone box at 347 Stirling hwy, and Stirling road?
So how do you drive a fake taxi, and overwhelm a woman in the same car? You need two.

Coincidently, 347 Stirling highway, is the same angle the bodies lie at 347 degrees. An amazing coincidence 347 kilometres to Southern Cross exactly 90 degrees to the two bodies lie. All pure coincidence hey.

Coincidentally to get to Southern Cross, you head the same direction Sarah McMahon that worked at Claremont garden centre headed, up Great Eastern Highway

 

[papertrail]

The version described does not include Jane leaving by taxi. It does include one detail that we've never seen--a detail that suggests the author of the article saw a different version of the video.

We've never seen footage of MM walking past Jane and out of shot.

The article is the second CSK related article in this Post paper, it's on page 94. It is actually written by Louisa Harding and titled Who is the mystery man speaking to Jane Rinmer? Here is the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ntidqi1gayimy0/AABtQA-5pkhnDxq6J7YuW5Cua?dl=0

(Sorry for my earlier error in claiming this was authored by Bret Christian.)

The article has MM walking south after his interaction with Jane. In fact if you watch the CIA doc (youtube hayleyjane version) you will see what appears to be a man walking north of Jane immediately she and MM interacted. I am sure this is what Bret was referring to. But Bret can also be referring to MM's direction he was walking at the time of the interaction with Jane and Bret has then assumed MM continued walking south - there is no evidence of this in any copy of the cctv footage.

 

[papertrail]

I think JR began to walk back to her friend's house along Stirling Highway. I believe she was abducted from Stirling Highway East of Claremont Town Centre. I also think MM is CSK.

Where is the evidence that Jane had a friend living in Stirling Highway ?

 

[Sprintman]

It doesn't exist on BF. The MM video was discussed and analysed at length both here and on BF. If it existed we would have been all over it. This is the same as the claim that DM's book mentions the presence of chemicals at the sites - I know it doesn't exist because we would have been all over it if it did exist.

That's not to say it didn't exist for the first minutes of release in 2008 but this is unlikely IMO. I recall seeing that MM video as soon as it dropped and don't recall seeing JR walk towards a taxi. I think the most likely explanation is people saw this footage;

[video=youtube;hbbg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbg...ature=youtu.be[/video]

And over time misinterpreted what they saw. This type of misinterpretation of memory is surprisingly common in humans. Our minds trick us all the time.

Bart I respect what you post but in this case you are wrong.. It does exist and has been described similarly by at least 3 people.Based on lavagirls description I know she has also seen the same footage.. It does exist but not in the public arena anymore. Having said this I won't be mentioning it again unless I can find it as there are obviously people who
1. Don't believe it exists
2. Don't want to believe it exists, or
3. Don't want others to believe it exists.
Either way I'm not going to get bent out of shape over this and people can take or leave the information as they wish.

 

[papertrail]

Bart I respect what you post but in this case you are wrong.. It does exist and has been described similarly by at least 3 people.Based on lavagirls description I know she has also seen the same footage.. It does exist but not in the public arena anymore. Having said this I won't be mentioning it again unless I can find it as there are obviously people who
1. Don't believe it exists
2. Don't want to believe it exists, or
3. Don't want others to believe it exists.
Either way I'm not going to get bent out of shape over this and people can take or leave the information as they wish.

The people that you are referring to that get into the taxi near Jane, are the group of people that we discussed months ago; the ones that are captured inside the Conti near the staircase. The guy is holding a mobile phone, which I believe shows he called a taxi. (a very short while later) he then pops his head out the door of the Conti and looks south and north as if looking to see if the taxi is there or coming. You see this guy and a group of (3 ?) standing on the verge just south of Jane, vehicle headlights shine and the guy puts his and out (phone in hand) as if to say to vehicle driver stop here, they all move forward and it appears as though they get into the vehicle. Jane moves back of scene but she is still there when this group have gone off. It's the same group of people that people mistakenly believe Jane went off with in the taxi cos one of the group is wearing what appears to be a long skirt but in fact I believe she is wearing wide-legged trousers.

 

[Sutton]

The article has MM walking south after his interaction with Jane. In fact if you watch the CIA doc (youtube hayleyjane version) you will see what appears to be a man walking north of Jane immediately she and MM interacted. I am sure this is what Bret was referring to. But Bret can also be referring to MM's direction he was walking at the time of the interaction with Jane and Bret has then assumed MM continued walking south - there is no evidence of this in any copy of the cctv footage.

That's my point. The article is describing what is seen on the video. It is clearly not what we've seen. I think it is describing the video the journalist saw. IMO.

 

[papertrail]

The article has MM walking south after his interaction with Jane. In fact if you watch the CIA doc (youtube hayleyjane version) you will see what appears to be a man walking north of Jane immediately she and MM interacted. I am sure this is what Bret was referring to. But Bret can also be referring to MM's direction he was walking at the time of the interaction with Jane and Bret has then assumed MM continued walking south - there is no evidence of this in any copy of the cctv footage.

the journos viewed the cctv footage that was released to the pubic (1st copy) via pay tv and I have a copy of that. There is nothing on that footage that shows MM walking further south after the time he interacted with Jane. Nothing.

 

[88mph]

Bart I respect what you post but in this case you are wrong.. It does exist and has been described similarly by at least 3 people.Based on lavagirls description I know she has also seen the same footage.. It does exist but not in the public arena anymore. Having said this I won't be mentioning it again unless I can find it as there are obviously people who
1. Don't believe it exists
2. Don't want to believe it exists, or
3. Don't want others to believe it exists.
Either way I'm not going to get bent out of shape over this and people can take or leave the information as they wish.

No offence Sprintman but the most prolific and reliable posters on both BF and Web Sleuths have not seen this footage. <modsnip>

I don't believe such footage exists.

 

[Sutton]

the journos viewed the cctv footage that was released to the pubic (1st copy) via pay tv and I have a copy of that. There is nothing on that footage that shows MM walking further south after the time he interacted with Jane. Nothing.

How could you know which version this journalist is referring to?

 

[papertrail]

have a look at the youtube FLECT copy at 1 minute 6 seconds. The cctv timestamp looks like 2 mins 22 seconds (very blurry). I've attached a copy of the 1 minute 6 seconds screen shot to show what people describe as the woman wearing the long skirt. I've got a series of screen shots of everything I've described today. you can just see Jane on the west side of the post

 

[papertrail]

How could you know which version this journalist is referring to?

because press reports in August 2008 said so and it doesn't matter which version all versions show the same thing.

 

[papertrail]

I need to split them into separate messages - here are the 1st five

 

[papertrail]

here is the next 5

 

[crabstick]

South down Bay View terrace is the Claremont Yacht club. Did open hand MM show Jane the keys to a boat?

The version described does not include Jane leaving by taxi. It does include one detail that we've never seen--a detail that suggests the author of the article saw a different version of the video.

We've never seen footage of MM walking past Jane and out of shot.

The article is the second CSK related article in this Post paper, it's on page 94. It is actually written by Louisa Harding and titled Who is the mystery man speaking to Jane Rinmer? Here is the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9ntidqi1gayimy0/AABtQA-5pkhnDxq6J7YuW5Cua?dl=0

(Sorry for my earlier error in claiming this was authored by Bret Christian.)

 

[papertrail]

this is the final lot

 

[crabstick]

Hails taxi, and Ive just spotted a mate in one those images. There is more inside vid footage but not public.

here is the next 5

 

[Sutton]

because press reports in August 2008 said so.

What? A press report does not exist specifying the particular footage this journalist is describing. A press report probably exists for the general release.

I believe this journo is describing a different version. You may not come to the same conclusion I came to. Fine. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to accept my conclusion. It is simply what I believe.

 

[papertrail]

There is NO version of the cctv footage that shows MM walking further south after his interaction with JR its really simple. If you want to slant things to mess up the convo go ahead but it doesn't help the discussion at all. Bret's description is in fact correct MM does walk ever so slightly past Jane (in the cctv footage) therefore that could be described as 'MM continued south' but what the cctv footage doesn't show is MM actually walking further south than what we have all seen.

 

[papertrail]

What? A press report does not exist specifying the particular footage this journalist is describing. A press report probably exists for the general release.

I believe this journo is describing a different version. You may not come to the same conclusion I came to. Fine. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to accept my conclusion. It is simply what I believe.

No different version at all. You are choosing to believe something that just doesn't exist. Bret's description is in fact correct, MM does walk slightly further south of Jane, otherwise, he would have to have done a pinpoint turn and turned north, or turn immediately to the east of Jane (and then turned north to walk north on the footpath - you can see someone walking north of Jane on the footpath in cctv footage.

 

[papertrail]

a press report in August 2008 described the cctv footage that the journos were shown and one would presume were given a copy of. That is the same footage that was broadcast via pay tv. That is the footage that was not the NASA enhanced footage. The subsequent re-release was the enhanced footage but was never broadcast via pay tv. It is in fact the copy that someone has uploaded on youtube using the 'hayleyjane' user name. It doesn't matter which copy they all show the same thing.