Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[lampformypath]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-California-claims-Lyndon-Lafferty-book.html

Not to focus too much on The Zodiac, but I just saw this and it's quite fascinating to read about this man's research and deductions (he was a code breaker in the Korean war) and the fact that a group of ex cops formed an alliance to try and catch the killer. Hmmm...

 

[Sutton]

I'm not sure I'm following this discussion. Garrett Penn, the man who created the Zodiac radian theory, has been widely discredited. I don't think he even tries to defend his theory anymore. No one takes it seriously. Radians have nothing to do with serial murder.

 

[Bartholemeus]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-California-claims-Lyndon-Lafferty-book.html

Not to focus too much on The Zodiac, but I just saw this and it's quite fascinating to read about this man's research and deductions (he was a code breaker in the Korean war) and the fact that a group of ex cops formed an alliance to try and catch the killer. Hmmm...

I stopped reading after this bit;

'Official corruption and political intervention forced the investigation into a top-secret, covert status, giving the insane ZODIAC killer immunity and a license to kill,'

 

[elastic]

I am still amazed if true that the Police didnt thoroughly investigate the video secretly filming in Claremont, they were quick to dismiss it, but their was no conviction to their statement. I am banking on the fact the video probably wasnt checked out properly..

 

[elastic]

Here is an article from the Post, We know the Claremont killer, dated 2001/09/01.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszgqgtl2/We know the Claremont killer.pdf?dl=0

I think someone just brought this up a few pages back.

Very very interesting article... Its scary to think what the CARK mob were investigating and what we now know of the link to Karrakatta. Especially the information about the panel van. I wonder how similar the CARK suspect was to MysteryMan in the 2008 CIA Documentary (Not that I am implying he is definitely linked to the case). The fact they had a suspect that drove a Panel Van, which is the vehicle the CSK drove during the Karrakatta rape is quite a large coincidence. They suspected the Rape and Murders were linked and went down that avenue when they investigated the case.

Its also unbeleivable how long it took for the Police to finally interview the CARK (Citizens for Apprehension of the Real Killer) member and hear his story. Its incredible the tunnel vision Caporn instilled in his team. He looks to have single handedly killed the case with his incompetance. The CSK may never be solved now because he didnt bother to investigate multiple lines of inquiry.

Its amazing to think that they raided Weygers and Ross as late as 2004 through an apparent tip off from a Clairvoyant [psychic] (Which is quite unbelievable really). What had them still on the tail of the creepy mayor and his compainion? seems like a complete waste of resources and almost like a vendetta against Weygers for being a libertarian.

The CARK statement does seem to align quite closely with what has been revealed in recent times which is quite facinating.. I wonder who this person is, or if he is still alive? I wonder why they never posted their information on the internet so people could read what they had investigated in they were so determined they knew the killer.

Seems like an enormous conincidence that the guy that picks you up and takes you for a drive in the Panel Van turns up at your factory (Workplace) looking for a job and gets one, then turns up with massive cuts to the face immediately after one of the Claremont girls goes missing (The monday after) then acts erratically, hides his face from everyone with his long hair, and then claims he is more famous that Christopher Skase, which amasingly forms the initials CSK and was on the 3rd page of the newspaper when the CSK article was on the front page? Creepy coincidence.

Very facinating, I wonder who this guy is? could he be the guy masturbating at Rowe Park after Karrakatta rape? Or could he be Mystery Man, or could he be the guy who was in worked in catering/ food found lurking through the window of a house he was sharing, I think the house was in Claremont? Or near Stirling Hwy..

Very interesting claims by the CARK members though.

 

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The Weekend West has learnt that police had a secret camera set up on Bay View Terrace in Claremont on the night the killer’s third victim Ciara Glennon vanished about midnight on March 14, 1997.[FONT=&amp]The camera is believed to have captured up to eight hours of high-quality vision that clearly shows the licence plates of hundreds of vehicles moving through the area before and after her disappearance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The vision was watched by police at the time but for unknown reasons they never checked to see who owned the vehicles in the footage, or why they were in Claremont on the night.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Nearly two decades on, detectives are working to fix that mistake, tracking down the vehicle owners to see if a killer could be among them.[/FONT]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/31476482/cops-overlooked-serial-killer-clues/

Massive massive error if correct and I think this could have have potentially provided the biggest lead they had during the case. It could be lost now with all the movements of people who owned these vehicles and with the time that has passed may be impossible to accurately determine the drivers of certain vehicles on certain nights, especially if the drivers weren't the owners of the vehicles this particular night. They could have been family, friends, acquaintances, but lets be realistic, no one will remember what happened that long ago with any certainty.

For such an enormously funded case, it seems baffling that it has so many amateur investigative errors.. the profile of this case would have expected much higher standards but it seems unfathomable how badly the case has been handled. We have missing fibres to go with this debacle.

I wonder why Corryn Rayney gets a look at the coroner and may have a coroner accept the case, yet the Claremont killings are kept hidden away from the world to see without any resolution...The WA Police have taken on a few old cases recently, but its amazing that certain high profile cases like Gerard Ross and the Claremont Serial Killings and hidden behind a wall of secrecy. Unbelievable in a democracy like ours, their abject failures in media reports are never held to any account, its about cover up and keeping the house in order with reviews that are not only not independent, but also reviewed in tiny snippets not allowing the full picture to ever come to light. But in Western Australia this sort of Policing is no surprise.

 

[BenJones84]

I'm not sure I'm following this discussion. Garrett Penn, the man who created the Zodiac radian theory, has been widely discredited. I don't think he even tries to defend his theory anymore. No one takes it seriously. Radians have nothing to do with serial murder.

Except that the Zodiac killer sent a diagram to the police that specifically said that it had to do with radians.

 

[Sutton]

Except that the Zodiac killer sent a diagram to the police that specifically said that it had to do with radians.

1. The Zodiac was a big fat liar. He sent all kinds of lies to the police. He never planned on bombing a school bus full of children. He didn't reveal his name as the code said he would. No one wore his stupid buttons and he didn't retaliate.

2. Some of the communications accredited to the Zodiac are now being questioned. Robert Graysmith (who wrote the bible of Zodiac books) has been implicated in several of the communications.

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[c4rtm4n]

Sorry Ben, just back to your radian diagram. Why is the axis where it is? Why not have it equidistant from the dump sites?

 

[Bartholemeus]

Ok, just a had a quick look at Google and got out my ruler on Google maps. I don't recall learning about radians in school (I've probably forgotten) but her'e s the deal;

If you get the radius of a circle and use that length to determine two points on the perimeter of a circle and then draw radii from those two points then the angle will be 57.29 degrees.

Here's further problems applying it to CSK;

If you use CG and JC as points on the perimeter there is no way of determining the correct radius of the circle. You can get multiple circle sizes and make the perimeter pass through those two locations, therefore giving you a different radius or circle centre each time.

There is no circle that can pass through CG, JC and JR dump spots.

To see if radian theory has been used you need a minimum of 3 dump sites that lie on a circle's perimeter. We only have 2. Even if those two were used, the centre of the circle would be a long way out of the city. If you include JC, then it doesn't work. If you use KT, you can get CG, JC and KT on the same circle perimter but not JR. Besides, the angle between JC and KT would not be a radian.



I declare any theory around radians to be bollocks.

 

[88mph]

Ok, just a had a quick look at Google and got out my ruler on Google maps. I don't recall learning about radians in school (I've probably forgotten) but her'e s the deal;

If you get the radius of a circle and use that length to determine two points on the perimeter of a circle and then draw radii from those two points then the angle will be 57.29 degrees.

Here's further problems applying it to CSK;

If you use CG and JC as points on the perimeter there is no way of determining the correct radius of the circle. You can get multiple circle sizes and make the perimeter pass through those two locations, therefore giving you a different radius or circle centre each time.

There is no circle that can pass through CG, JC and JR dump spots.

To see if radian theory has been used you need a minimum of 3 dump sites that lie on a circle's perimeter. We only have 2. Even if those two were used, the centre of the circle would be a long way out of the city. If you include JC, then it doesn't work. If you use KT, you can get CG, JC and KT on the same circle perimter but not JR. Besides, the angle between JC and KT would not be a radian.



I declare any theory around radians to be bollocks.

That may be the case for radians but the perfect line connecting Claremont, GC and JR cannot be a coincidence IMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please familiarize yourselves with The Rules folks. I've had to remove some interesting posts due to screenshots and copyright violations:

Screenshots are NOT allowed (unless from MSM and/or LE). You can paraphrase and provide a link, but you cannot bring screenshots in.

Copyright rules are that you cannot quote more than 10% of an article and you must give a link to the full article.

 

[Bartholemeus]

That may be the case for radians but the perfect line connecting Claremont, GC and JR cannot be a coincidence IMO.

I also believe it's not a coincidence. If you have a look at the land area of Perth and the possible place that are 180 degrees from JR using Conti as an axis, it's almost inconceivable.

To be more accurate, if we assume the CSK's sweet spot is 30-60km from Conti and on this occasion was always going to choose somewhere North of the City, it's still a large area. And there's a lot of alternate dump locations.




Eglington and Marmion Ave

In 1991 Marmion Ave was extended to Burns Beach Rd (where the Freeway now ends). In the mid 1990's it was extended to Quinns Rd just past Mindarie. It wasn't until 2001 that Marmion Ave was extended to Yanchep.

So the CSK had to have got onto Waneroo Rd at some stage in order to access Pipidinny Rd. Probably Hester Ave or Burns Beach Rd assuimg the CSK wanted to reduce risk by taking the shortest route.

There's a lot of other places to dump a body out that far but it ended up being exactly 180 degrees from JR.

 

[Parkie]

Where do Tunnels & Windmills meet.. I am trying to work that out. I have an idea, so bear with me. BB Soon.

 

[88mph]

Where do Tunnels & Windmills meet.. I am trying to work that out. I have an idea, so bear with me. BB Soon.

Perkie, you have moments of brilliance then moments like this.

 

[Mel 1303]

Where do Tunnels & Windmills meet.. I am trying to work that out. I have an idea, so bear with me. BB Soon.

Is this an actual question? There is a windmill area of the dorms at ern halliday, as well as underground caves.

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[Parkie]

Perkie, you have moments of brilliance then moments like this.

Yeah Bartho will grill me on this too. Fair point too. I`m just going on what the Perth Remote Viewing group are picking up on this. There is one on Millar rd. I haven`t found any in the hills near any tunnels. Message them. They might be able to email you their drawings. Can only help. Remember the composite drawing at the Psychic show? There is probably not much difference where they all pick it up from.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Yeah Bartho will grill me on this too. Fair point too. I`m just going on what the Perth Remote Viewing group are picking up on this. There is one on Millar rd. I haven`t found any in the hills near any tunnels. Message them. They might be able to email you their drawings. Can only help. Remember the composite drawing at the Psychic show? There is probably not much difference where they all pick it up from.

It's Bart. Anything else I consider inflammatory.

I don't call you Perkie so don't call me Barth or Bartho.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Perth Remote Viewing group are picking up on this.

Hmmm. Remote Viewing. Wonder what that is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing

"There is no credible scientific evidence that remote viewing works"

and

"Remote viewing was popularized in the 1990s upon the declassification of certain documents related to the Stargate Project, a $20 million research program that had started in 1975 and was sponsored by the U.S. government, in an attempt to determine any potential military application of psychic phenomena. The program was terminated in 1995 after it failed to produce any useful intelligence information"

The film "The Men Who stare at Goats" (George Clooney) ridiculed the above US Government program.



If the Perth Remote Viewing Group had any credibility whatsoever they would have found something over the last 20 years. But they haven't and the reason is that remote viewing is a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

 

[Parkie]

It's Bart. Anything else I consider inflammatory.

I don't call you Perkie so don't call me Barth or Bartho.

My appologies Bartholemeus. It`s just your name is a bit long to write, that`s all.
Interesting how 88 MPH called me Perkie hey. Sounds like Frankie.

They remote viewed the far side of the moon & Saddam Husseins whereabouts in Tirkrit. How good they are here at R/V I don`t know.