Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

[YoureNicked]

This was the post I discovered a few months ago and referred to the other day, regarding someone who asked whether any of the Claremont victims were owners of various items of property. I thought it was on bigfooty but it turns out it was posted on missing and murdered Australia.

I haven't seen it posted here before so, apologies if it's a repeat.

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.com/2011/06/claremont-timeline.html#comment-form

Someone copied the curious question onto the bigfooty forum here https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-110#post-37519738

I hope the police got around to tracking down the poster, if the items were indeed things belonging to the girls.

 

[CSK?]

Has there been any discussion as to whether there will be another probe into the investigation and how it was conducted?
Obviously there hasn't been a conviction yet, but considering that they made this DNA link ~12 months ago and would have been building a solid case since then before making an arrest, we can assume that this is the right guy.
The original head of Macro task force, Paul Ferguson was replaced after two years.
His replacement, Dave Caporn was responsible for convicting a man for the murder of Pamela Lawrence.
The man he convicted was found to be innocent after spending 12 years in prison and it was found that the investigation and court proceedings against the accused was done in a somewhat suspicious way. Dave Caporn resigned in 2009 before the inquest could be fully conducted.
There have been several suspects in the CSK case that were heavily surveilled for quite some time, and it seems that a lot of leads and evidence may have been overlooked or flat out dismissed because they didn't fit with suspect they were focusing on at the time.
It seems that the big break in this case came as a result of a different program that was testing old evidence with new forensic techniques. That is to say that it wasn't the Macro taskforce that made this discovery.
Could the case have been solved much earlier than it has been?

The time frame of 12 months was posted by a user (I forget whom) on here, I am almost certain I read the DNA match was only made weeks ago.

everything else you posted is absolutely correct and without tunnel vision there surely would have been a break sooner. D Caporn should have never been in charge of the investigation, as well as being a dodgey **** he made a lot of critical mistakes

imagine how swamped you get with miss information asking people to call in an identify people whom like to drive and wash their cars. or how you out right dismiss a guy (even if it wasn't BE) who pretty much had a confirmed kill kit in his boot witnessed by a seemingly credible police officer because you think you "have your man" not releasing identakits or MM footage for years and years and years. losing critical evidence for years and years and years, plus the fact that a the beginning the names and DNA of an entire industry had been taken. now suddenly you have 5000 suspect names from police work and tips a Bradley Robert Edwards just disappears in a sea of names.

 

[CSK?]

For those looking at his digital trail. Someone asked why did he morph himself into a panda.

Given the guys interest in gaming and fantasy it could be from a game or from Magna.

Pandaman is a Magna character who is hidden in background of the movies. He has a mans body and a panda mask.
Also a character in One Piece, Grand Battle (which I think he played) and New World. He is on the run from a debut collector and he morphs himself into" an easter egg character, a citizen, a pirate, a marine or Government agent, and many others"

Basically blends into the crowd...

I would be looking at magna and anime sites and beyond the childish images are some very sadistic spin off fetish type images. Could be worth a look

The image source he used for the panda/human morph was from the animation Kung Fu Panda.

 

[mandy.maree]

Sorry 2 years ago *
Really thinking thats how CSK dna match came about. Random familial testing

About the missing items though..I seen an article a while back saying black jacket and a ring were missing off the Claremont victims. That person hopefully just read it somewhere too

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[Alice Bernadette]

Well, not really. The Birnies were a decade prior; Sarah was from the country and just eight or nine at the time. Jane might plausibly have met him earlier.

I mentioned the Birnies just to make a point that Perth wasn't this safe little town. There has always been crime here and in the 90s people were very much aware of that fact. There has always been high profile murders. Some that come to mind are Anne Zapelli from 1969 (Geraldton), Gina Merrifield in the early 70s, Felicia Wilson in 1979. Felicia's murder is still unsolved to this day. There was quite a few unsolved murder of girls in the 80s. In the 90s girls were very aware of the dangers of taking lifts from stranger.

A girl known by my family was murdered in 1978. There has always been murders here.

 

[Alice Bernadette]

I don't get the relation to this case?

1979... Could be the Felicia Wilson one?

Felicia was murdered in January 1979. From what I can remember that is the only high profile case from that year.

 

[CSK?]

Deb Marshall quotes a police detective or one of the liaison officers as stating the girls weren't sexually assaulted. I queried this in my own mind at the time as apparently the bodies were so decomposed that identity was only achievable via teeth and DNA samples so how would they definitively know this? Also, the previous crimes he's been charged with suggest he is a sexual predator motivated by lust so why would he go to all the trouble of abducting, potentially holding captive, and then murdering and disposing of the women if not to sexually assault them. I know the kill itself is sometimes the sexual gratification that the killer requires so there is that possibility but the brutality of the karrakata rape would suggest otherwise.


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This is natural progression of a serial killer, the act of abduction psychological and/or physical torture and then murder ARE the sexual pleasure. if the 3 girls were raped then he is a sexual pervert whom progressed to lust killing

Now if he did not rape the girls then that to me suggests there would be a lot more victims out their because you don't progress from break in and attempted rape to successful rape to murder without rape that fast.

 

[mandy.maree]

I don't get the relation to this case?

1979... Could be the Felicia Wilson one?

Sorry I must have read the year wrong.
Thought could have been the person whose familial dna uncovered the CSK.
Still thinking something similar to this guys experience happened to a relative of BE so they could match him and keep an eye on him before they arrested him and took his DNA

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[YoureNicked]

Sorry 2 years ago *
Really thinking thats how CSK dna match came about. Random familial testing

About the missing items though..I seen an article a while back saying black jacket and a ring were missing off the Claremont victims. That person hopefully just read it somewhere too

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I think I've found an article where it talks about Ciara missing a claddagh brooch and a jacket here (look in the section headed 'Spiers Family Pain Still Strong After Five Years") http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

but this article doesn't describe the colour of the jacket or the nature of its fabric. I've also never seen any other articles describing the colour or the fabric of the jacket.

If 'Anonymous' had just read an article saying one of the victims was missing a jacket and ring then why would she/he ask about it and why would she/he ask about such items including details that were not mentioned in print anywhere, unless she'd/he'd
actually seen things that were similar in someone's possession, somewhere...and become curious about how that person happened to have acquired them.

Who knows, perhaps 'Anonymous' did get in touch with the police if she/he was concerned. I hope she/he did anyway.

 

[potr]

sexual assault is about power.
sexual sadist's derive sexual pleasure from inflicting pain.
they are two separate things

 

[mandy.maree]

I think I've found an article where it talks about Ciara missing a claddagh brooch and a jacket here (look in the section headed 'Spiers Family Pain Still Strong After Five Years") http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

but this article doesn't describe the colour of the jacket or the nature of its fabric. I've also never seen any other articles describing the colour or the fabric of the jacket.

If 'Anonymous' had just read an article saying one of the victims was missing a jacket and ring then why would she/he ask about it and why would she/he ask about such items including details that were not mentioned in print anywhere, unless she'd/he'd
actually seen things that were similar in someone's possession, somewhere...and become curious about how that person happened to have acquired them.

Who knows, perhaps 'Anonymous' did get in touch with the police if she/he was concerned. I hope she/he did anyway.

Yes I've been searching and searching. Cant even find anything about a missing jacket anymore-let alone that it was black and silky. They were pretty detailed in their description and its quite odd.

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[The Hobo]

So I guess the next step would be to try investigate the person that made the post? But if it's anonymous, there's not much to go by

 

[Froglady]

I thought it was jane missing a jacket. They saw in the footage she was holding one.

 

[Grok]

The three men who saw CG said she leaned over and had a fair discussion with who we suspect may be the CSK>>> this also indicates its most likely there was only 1 person in the car visible to her, i.e. nobody in the passenger seat or you don't lean over.

If he has a gun or a knife she does not lean into the window and have a discussion, she either instantly follows his orders or runs/screams

It's more likely he said I am headed to perhaps the cottesloe exchange to fix some phone lines, emergency call-out, I can give you a lift.
Cottesloe borders mosman park for a long distance, its a very plausible reasoning.

The thing is.... I am assuming had he gone with the soft approach he MUST have tried this on others girls that said no thanks and then he would drive off.

I think this might be pretty close to what happened. You have a moment as a woman to weigh up what is in front of you. It's not an easy task. ..

Standing out on a road alone early in the morning is a dangerous scenario and I don't care what era we are talking about. Waiting for a taxi driver which is not and has never been a safe option for women in Perth. It could be as simple as they felt there was a better option and took it. Some kind of familiarity. Just enough that they got into his car. And I agree he could have run that gig over and over until someone took the bait.

 

[meticulously]

Yes I've been searching and searching. Cant even find anything about a missing jacket anymore-let alone that it was black and silky. They were pretty detailed in their description and its quite odd.

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You can't be serious ? All The victims missing jewelry , shoes, clothes etc are documented . detailed photos are found on the # media/timeline thread

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[Grok]

It's actually in degrees minutes decimal seconds and is a location near gay st huntingdale/southern river.

32 05 25.8S 115 57 55.8E

So could we say that this BE is the CSK BE? and the email address is his?

 

[OneSmallStepAtATime]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Just a thought - Do you think it is possible he came in to contact with the girls maybe through his work?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He could have been working at or near somewhere they frequented during the days leading up to their disappearance and struck up casual conversation with them. Something along the lines of asking them what they were going to be getting up to on the weekend and where they were going etc

He may have then gone to Claremont in the hopes of catching up with them again and then seeing an opportunity approached them in the car.

They may have looked in the car and casually recognised him from their earlier encounter and felt safe enough to get in with him - after all they had previously spoken to him during daylight hours and he seemed not to be a threat.

Being around their ages and if he had already had a conversation or two with them in the days prior to their disappearance [/FONT]may have helped him gain their confidence and made them feel like he was safe to go with.
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[The Hobo]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Just a thought - Do you think it is possible he came in to contact with the girls maybe through his work?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He could have been working at or near somewhere they frequented during the days leading up to their disappearance and struck up casual conversation with them. Something along the lines of asking them what they were going to be getting up to on the weekend and where they were going etc

He may have then gone to Claremont in the hopes of catching up with them again and then seeing an opportunity approached them in the car.

They may have looked in the car and casually recognised him from their earlier encounter and felt safe enough to get in with him - after all they had previously spoken to him during daylight hours and he seemed not to be a threat.

Being around their ages and if he had already had a conversation or two with them in the days prior to their disappearance [/FONT]may have helped him gain their confidence and made them feel like he was safe to go with.
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What are the chances of three different girls he befriended all happening to go to Claremont though

 

[Zedx]

Hi wife is of French decent, raised in Queensland and is Catholic.

Well I dont think his wife of 15 years plus was aboriginal.
I really didnt even consider a race crime. I'll be shocked if it is.
All entitled to opinions. Yes he definitely seems a big supporter of aboriginal culture but I dont see this being race motivated at all.


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[meticulously]

New Article about David Caporn in msm news . Source google.
Can someone please attach the link to this thread ?

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