Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #13

[mandy.maree]

I think the CSK changed his MO quite a bit...
The white commodore station wagon is mentioned quite a lot in attempted abductions /abductions and even the offering of lifts back in the late 1990s

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[lampformypath]

This is a 48 year old man who is the President and the life member of a large childrens athletics club from which he has won a prestigious community award, His wife of ten years has just left him four months earlier, He is three months away from having the Tactical response group kick in his front door,arrest him at gunpoint and charge him with a number of historic. murders and rapes. He has already IMO in a roundabout way alluded to these crimes on Facebook in the "must have been a naughty Boy in your younger days " Taxi black list comment to his brother.
The killer clown pic is not on his timeline for comment and a laugh-he has nominated it as his only cover pic -left for posterity with not much else on his FB acc at all-and the comment " everyone loves a clown ".
His stepdaughters comment can be interpreted as "take it down ,this is so not appropriate for you at this time" and the emoticons would indicate she thinks it is hilarious he would put it up now -not scared at all.
It has nothing to do with so called confirmation bias and everything to do with seeing known facts in the context of a larger picture.... this guys world is coming crashing down....his image isn't a normal family man and long serving Little Athletics president anymore.
John Wayne Gaceys Pogo and Patches the Clown characters performed at fundraising events, parades, disabled children hospitals and children parties and his memorable quote.." you know Clowns can get away with murder".

And let's not forget the much "loved" and "admired" SIR Jimmy Saville! He performed at disabled children's hospitals too (and in the morgues!), but we won't go into how he performed!! That was my point about the alleged CSK, he didn't think he'd ever get caught and could do ANYTHING he liked to ANYONE he liked/disliked. That last comment about "clowns getting away with murder", is just astounding in the complete arrogance and disregard for the lives he took and the destruction to the families left behind. We can only shake our heads and say, "must be a complete nutter" and yet they can't get away with an insanity defence? Just my thoughts and opinion here, but IF the alleged CSK is anything like my previous employer, (he was always terribly afraid of anyone that displayed even slight mental illness, would literally run away if approached by someone who was obviously struggling with these types of issues) so I'm wondering if BRE would never even consider an insanity plea?

 

[janwa]

It's also "entirely possible" he was into knitting and crochet.

Everyone needs to accept the possibility that he has been living a normal suburban life. I know that's not sexy and salacious enough but until we know more speculating about him being on tinder, being into bondage, taking steroids, being a devil worshiper and all the other far flung theories are starting to get pretty tiresome.



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I think the truth is Sks and S Abusers only appear to live normal suburban lives the problem is that many see some of the dots but few see most of the dots so it's hard to put together. My abuser, a prominent specialist had abused over 300 people including clinic and hospital staffnow get your head round that one. I put together a radio documentary with Howard Sattler that went to air in 1993, patients were ringing up right to the last minute saying don't do it. One call sticks in my mind it was from someone who said she was his cousin, She said go ahead with it he's been abusing since he was at high school.

 

[mandy.maree]

This driver has never come forward. JRs Mystery man has never come forward..the driver of the car seen near SS has never come forward.
Pretty sure they are all one and the same...and definitely had something to hide.

Can anyone tell if the accused is left handed?
I cant tell much at all from the footage of him. I ask because MM seems to motion with his left hand so could be

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[lampformypath]

I think the truth is Sks and S Abusers only appear to live normal suburban lives the problem is that many see some of the dots but few see most of the dots so it's hard to put together. My abuser, a prominent specialist had abused over 300 people including clinic and hospital staffnow get your head round that one. I put together a radio documentary with Howard Sattler that went to air in 1993, patients were ringing up right to the last minute saying don't do it. One call sticks in my mind it was from someone who said she was his cousin, She said go ahead with it he's been abusing since he was at high school.

Good on ya for sticking to your guns and going after that totally abhorrent creature! Exactly my point, these types are not NORMAL in every day life. People see stuff, wives, family members and refuse to face up to it, or more disturbingly, refuse to report it. I know what happens when you report stuff and it isn't nice, trust me, and NOBODY wants to or will believe you, that would mean standing up and being picked on too! These people think they are "above reproach". Thank goodness we have "jumping" tree varieties growing in Western Australia hey JanWa?

 

[lampformypath]

This driver has never come forward. JRs Mystery man has never come forward..the driver of the car seen near SS has never come forward.
Pretty sure they are all one and the same...and definitely had something to hide.

Can anyone tell if the accused is left handed?
I cant tell much at all from the footage of him. I ask because MM seems to motion with his left hand so could be

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Brilliant observations there Mandy.Maree. It's "little" things like this that mean a lot sometimes! Let's hope somebody knows the answer.

 

[DRT]

This driver has never come forward. JRs Mystery man has never come forward..the driver of the car seen near SS has never come forward.
Pretty sure they are all one and the same...and definitely had something to hide.

Can anyone tell if the accused is left handed?
I cant tell much at all from the footage of him. I ask because MM seems to motion with his left hand so could be

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http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring-services/reviews/car-reviews/holden/commodore-vs.htm

If we assume that JR and CG were taken in BRE's Telstra 1995 April released VS series 1 Commodore then SS and KK were taken in a different car as it wasn't released at the time of the attacks. It may be it another Commodore which may or may not be a Telstra work vehicle.

 

[SN76]

I think the CSK changed his MO quite a bit...
The white commodore station wagon is mentioned quite a lot in attempted abductions /abductions and even the offering of lifts back in the late 1990s

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Agreed ..... My opinion is that the MO wasn't rigid and was flexible depending on the circumstance....he employed whatever tactic he could to the situation including ruse, blitz etc...

 

[mandy.maree]

http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring-services/reviews/car-reviews/holden/commodore-vs.htm

If we assume that JR and CG were taken in BRE's Telstra 1995 April released VS series 1 Commodore then SS and KK were taken in a different car as it wasn't released at the time of the attacks. It may be it another Commodore which may or may not be a Telstra work vehicle.

Thank you!
I was trying to work out why a different car had been used for KK and some others I had come across (panel van i believe )..did not have his commodore 1995 and pre 1995 as it was 1995 model! Silly me . Need another coffee

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[mandy.maree]

This means the probability of finding anything of SS in that car is now zero though 😦😣

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[SN76]

Million dollar question...where is SS...? Just wish we knew

 

[lampformypath]

This means the probability of finding anything of SS in that car is now zero though 

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Just like our Karl said, "we never give up" so we should never give up hope. I have a beautiful bookmark that reads: "Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without words and never stops at all" Emily Dickinson

 

[mandy.maree]

Million dollar question...where is SS...? Just wish we knew

The problem is..theres no particular pattern with these crimes. He seemed to evolve,change MO and just go with whatever opportunity he came by.
With SS..i doubt she got in his car willingly -she had just booked a taxi!

Police seem quite certain JR and CG were killed close to where they were taken from then moved to a different site for disposal...all within 6 hours.
I dont know how they know this but i will trust their statements.
I believe taking a live and struggling victim all the way to where they were found would be very risky though.
If this pattern was followed for SS..he had only 4 hours until daylight with her instead of 6. Makes me think she would be closer to Claremont than the others. Probably not buried as he was too lazy for that apparently and would probably unlikely have taken a shovel with him that night.
Someone suggested a pre dug grave at the kk cemetery. ..
Mines...
Land that was about to be developed on


Sure hope she can be found

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[SN76]

The problem is..theres no particular pattern with these crimes. He seemed to evolve,change MO and just go with whatever opportunity he came by.
With SS..i doubt she got in his car willingly -she had just booked a taxi!

Police seem quite certain JR and CG were killed close to where they were taken from then moved to a different site for disposal...all within 6 hours.
I dont know how they know this but i will trust their statements.
I believe taking a live and struggling victim all the way to where they were found would be very risky though.
If this pattern was followed for SS..he had only 4 hours until daylight with her instead of 6. Makes me think she would be closer to Claremont than the others. Probably not buried as he was too lazy for that apparently and would probably unlikely have taken a shovel with him that night.
Someone suggested a pre dug grave at the kk cemetery. ..
Mines...
Land that was about to be developed on


Sure hope she can be found

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Agree...no way you're going to take a live victim to Pipindinny or Wellard, way too risky.
I remember in the early - mid 90's a huge spate of drink spiking incidents, around this time of the CSK...could he have possibly slipped them a date rape drug just to alter their consciousness? (SS, JR and CG)

I believe she is closer to Claremont too...Bold Park? Or...again like I have mentioned before the bushland across from Gay Street Huntingdale....i think in a pre-dug grave could possibly be too risky...? But..it would make sense..just the risk factor is what makes me a bit dubious.

 

[mandy.maree]

Agree...no way you're going to take a live victim to Pipindinny or Wellard, way too risky.
I remember in the early - mid 90's a huge spate of drink spiking incidents, around this time of the CSK...could he have possibly slipped them a date rape drug just to alter their consciousness? (SS, JR and CG)

I believe she is closer to Claremont too...Bold Park? Or...again like I have mentioned before the bushland across from Gay Street Huntingdale....i think in a pre-dug grave could possibly be too risky...? But..it would make sense..just the risk factor is what makes me a bit dubious.

I didn't mean a spot CSK had preplanned. Too lazy for that it seems.More something in the cemetery already.
If Huntingdale was already being redeveloped at the time or areas nearby were already being dug up for one reason or another-highly likely he took advantage of that.
He took so many risks really. Wouldn't be surprised if SS is right near one of his former homes.Amazing he wasn't caught a lot sooner considering everything .

This post on WS in april 2016 is surprisingly accurate. The accused would have been freaking out for well over a year with some of the stories appearing

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[anna.w]

I didn't mean a spot CSK had preplanned. Too lazy for that it seems.More something in the cemetery already.
If Huntingdale was already being redeveloped at the time or areas nearby were already being dug up for one reason or another-highly likely he took advantage of that.
He took so many risks really. Wouldn't be surprised if SS is right near one of his former homes.Amazing he wasn't caught a lot sooner considering everything .

This post on WS in april 2016 is surprisingly accurate. The accused would have been freaking out for well over a year with some of the stories appearing

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Wow. He would have been crapping blue lights over that.


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[SN76]

As in pre-dug by KK workers, ready for a burial service the next day.? Yes that's what I thought you meant, sorry for the confusion....thats why I think its too risky...wouldnt they notice soil has been moved or grave site not as deep as usual? Hmm..anything is possible really...

 

[SN76]

Wow. He would have been crapping blue lights over that.


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Absolutely!

 

[mandy.maree]

As in pre-dug by KK workers, ready for a burial service the next day.? Yes that's what I thought you meant, sorry for the confusion....thats why I think its too risky...wouldnt they notice soil has been moved or grave site not as deep as usual? Hmm..anything is possible really...

I agree its very unlikely
Leaning towards some form of Telstra or land construction site nearby personally.


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[DRT]

As in pre-dug by KK workers, ready for a burial service the next day.? Yes that's what I thought you meant, sorry for the confusion....thats why I think its too risky...wouldnt they notice soil has been moved or grave site not as deep as usual? Hmm..anything is possible really...

The possibility is also that one of the same days burials has been dug up. Fresh dirt, easy to dig and possibly not going to be visited the next day.