Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

[Armchair snoop]

Im trying to see through this as i find this quite interesting.

What was it last week, Police are asking a person whom had been talking to the media/police? to resume dialogue.

I haven't been able to establish which person this is really referring to.

So i look at it this way, Borce says “Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’

It's unclear to me if this is directed at that particular reporter, or more at the wider media in general.

As some people has have commented its been quiet of the family side. Then that interaction.

I'd been asking what facts where right? Seems to be inhibited from following up on that statment.

I find that quote from Borce strange as well. If the MSM can't even get their facts right, why not confront the media and set the record straight. This may stem the flow of rumour, innuendo, misinformation and speculation that is currently circulating. I am struggling to remember a missing persons case where the Police have informed the Family members not to talk to the media. I would have thought that the media, both main stream and social would be a great asset to have on one's side in a missing person case.

 

[moreinfo]

wow i know we cant talk about anyones FB, but the last couple of minutes is pretty tactless, considering past conversations about Karen.

 

[suzyjackson]

The police are not personally involved- so how do they know what happened? I am speaking of police in general- how do they know what happens, without being personally involved- not this case in particular. People (and police, who are just people, at the end of the day) will look at evidence, facts, relationships, motives. I don't see how Karen would leave her daughter just after celebrating her 21st birthday. That is illogical- not just to me, but to anyone judiciously looking at the situation. That is why i think it is guaranteed that Karen did not just walk out of her life. It is preposterous.

I don't understand what you mean by 'others'.

Respectfully ScottKam I'm going to disagree with you too, people withe depression or other MH issues just don't act logically.
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We don't know anythng about Karen's mental health (and nor should we) so none of us can guarantee what she might have done. There was a lady who disappeared over Christmas last year in England,we there were hosts of people saying she would never have walked away, would never have commited suicide, would never have left her family after such a lovely Christmas, and do you know what, that was exactly what she'd done nad her body was found in a river some time later.

It may not be what has happened but it's by no means preposterous IMO (great word BTW)

 

[suzyjackson]

ARMCHAIRsnoop.......Responding to your Post #705, I also don't think KR is hiding out......

It's interesting that you seem to be the only one on this thread agreeing that it could be suicide as the most likely reason for Karen's disappearance.......

I don't agree that a body is normally found soon after a suicide......just look at all that bushland by the river......it wouldn't be easy to find a body there and probably

nobody has looked there yet.........

Now referring to the DEBT AND SHOP FIGURES that caused the ARGUMENT with BR before she went missing - in February there was enough shop rent in arrears

FOR THE SHOPPING CENTRE TO PUT A CAVEAT ON THE HOME so that it couldn't be transferred or sold.......

With Karen being in the retail trade for all those years, my question is why did Karen allow the shop rent to become so much in arrears. Wouldn't you think that the best

way out would be to close the shop (rent being the major outlay without anything else)......

Keep the stock and offload the stock via other avenues to recoup some money, or was she too proud to do that, as sometimes we need to swallow our pride......

With the financial state of the shop figures..... being so much in arrears with the rent...... shopping centre taking a caveat over the home..... Karen supposedly stating

that as soon as Sarah turned 21 she was planning to leave BR..... AR telling media of the molesting him etc. etc....

In my opinion, Karen would have become very distressed with the combination of all these NEGATIVE ASPECTS currently in her life, what future did she have to look

forward to, really ???

For these reasons I feel that suicide could have been contemplated..... A person can only take so much before they snap.....Sorry for the long rant........MOO

At the moment tiddles, I'm with suicide as the most likely occurrance too imo

 

[Bohemian]

Is it possible to do a 'what do you think happened to Karen ' ' poll within this thread? I'm thinking we would have:
Murdered by Husband
Murdered by AR
Murdered by happenence
Alive and well in hiding

Anything else.....?

If someone wants to start a poll below is the link to the Poll Forum. Take a look around first and see how the other polls are set up.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?363-The-Poll-Forum!-Public-Welcome-To-Participate

That being said, please don't be specific on the family members, just say "a family member" per TOS.

Thanks

So who sets it up?

I think a mod has to set a poll up if and when a new thread for Karen is started, going by the FAQ (4th topic):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_polls

Unless they have the ability to amend this thread and attach a poll to it post-creation.

 

[Pepper77]

How about a quick in-thread poll to vote whether the poll should be set up?

I vote, against.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

How about a quick in-thread poll to vote whether the poll should be set up?

I vote, against.

Hi Pepper. Aren't you interested in knowing how other websleuth members feel in regards to what they think may have happened to Karen? I definitely am. Like, there's alot of members following this thread who don't post, they just like to follow and read everyone else's thoughts and opinions. If there is a poll, they can vote on it without commenting/posting, if they like. KWIM? Having said that, I'm all for a poll being created.

 

[Pepper77]

Hi Pepper. Aren't you interested in knowing how other websleuth members feel in regards to what they think may have happened to Karen? I definitely am. Like, there's alot of members following this thread who don't post, they just like to follow and read everyone else's thoughts and opinions. If there is a poll, they can vote on it without commenting/posting, if they like. KWIM? Having said that, I'm all for a poll being created.

I do understand what you mean, UndiscoveredTruth, but I just feel icky about it. I understand the general consensus from the posters in the two threads thus far think BR is guilty, but that's hardly fair on him if he really has nothing to do with it (which, I personally don't think he does). It's bad enough discussing 'whodunnit' theories in the threads (which I, too, have done), but a poll just seems one step too far in my opinion.

I still hold hope that Karen has just wandered off somewhere quiet to gather her thoughts and she'll return soon (which she would've been more likely to do before the family conflict allegations and financial troubles were published in the media).

I imagine BR is hurting enough at the moment.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I do understand what you mean, UndiscoveredTruth, but I just feel icky about it. I understand the general consensus from the posters in the two threads thus far think BR is guilty, but that's hardly fair on him if he really has nothing to do with it (which, I personally don't think he does). It's bad enough discussing 'whodunnit' theories in the threads (which I, too, have done), but a poll just seems one step too far in my opinion.

I still hold hope that Karen has just wandered off somewhere quiet to gather her thoughts and she'll return soon (which she would've been more likely to do before the family conflict allegations and financial troubles were published in the media).

I imagine BR is hurting enough at the moment.

Ah okay. Thanks for explaining your reasons. If a poll is created though, no one is to be named, no initials, just a family member is to be the option. If initials were permitted to be typed, I would be against it, just as you are, absolutely! We're thinking along the same lines, I don't think BR is guilty either and although I don't believe Karen wandered off anywhere I'm still keeping my eyes open for her..(in New Zealand)

 

[Pepper77]

Ah okay. Thanks for explaining your reasons. If a poll is created though, no one is to be named, no initials, just a family member is to be the option. If initials were permitted to be typed, I would be against it, just as you are, absolutely! We're thinking along the same lines, I don't think BR is guilty either and although I don't believe Karen wandered off anywhere I'm still keeping my eyes open for her..(in New Zealand)

Just 'family member' would be fine :cheers:

I'm keeping my eyes peeled too - you just never know. I travel quite a bit for work and see a lot of people at various airports ... you just never quite know who you're going to run into.

 

[PIMaz]

if she committed suicide.... where is the body.... MOST cases they are found.... its like like she can hide herself. I am not saying it can not happen, nut very unlikely.... I strongly believe there is foul play involved.

 

[Walk A Mile]

I've leaned towards suicide from the start, but as the weeks roll on it's increasingly perplexing that she hasn't been found.

 

[Bohemian]

I do understand what you mean, UndiscoveredTruth, but I just feel icky about it. I understand the general consensus from the posters in the two threads thus far think BR is guilty, but that's hardly fair on him if he really has nothing to do with it (which, I personally don't think he does). It's bad enough discussing 'whodunnit' theories in the threads (which I, too, have done), but a poll just seems one step too far in my opinion.

I still hold hope that Karen has just wandered off somewhere quiet to gather her thoughts and she'll return soon (which she would've been more likely to do before the family conflict allegations and financial troubles were published in the media).

I imagine BR is hurting enough at the moment.

I am not settled on Karen's husband being responsible (or, equally, not responsible) for her disappearance, Pepper. There are a number of other possibilities which could be equally likely as her disappearance being the result of a domestic homicide which have been elaborated upon within this thread < mod snip>

 

[ozazure]

I don't think we need a poll, just read the posts ... I think a lot of people are not convinced of any one idea. Initially I thought we had another GBC, purely based on the "walk" angle and the fact that women get killed by their husbands. A random attack seems unlikely given the location and time but if it is ever confirmed she left on foot, it is a possibility. As time goes on we see there are significant stressors in the family and the idea of her voluntarily leaving, whether to end her life or start a new one, has some legs. And we have a family member claiming motive with some concerning posts starting the day of her disappearance. Without knowing what digital and physical forensics they have and extended face time with the people close to her, it is just guesses really, nothing terribly incriminating.

My gut is that Borce is not responsible and he is feeling a mixture of fear and distress for his family, regret/guilt for the fight or AR situation, anger/betrayal that she may have done this voluntarily, concern about the position this has him in. I don't think he knows what has happened. AR is a possibility but I have to assume if it was him the police would have something by now as it'd be easier to prove than Borce doing it, as Borce is expected to be where Karen is and would have the benefit of privacy and time to commit a crime, whereas AR would not. I continue to hope she has hightailed it with a fat wad of cash or has a secret relationship, but I think the police would have found out about a secret relationship out by now.

 

[tiddles24]

I wonder if Karen had been quietly accumulating money planning to go away somewhere (unbeknown to anyone) to have a break and make plans for her future with a new identity. That would be a lovely thought.........Sarah turned 21 in February this year (5 months ago).......

No doubt, Karen will be missing her shop (if she is still alive) but she could always start again with a new identity down the track.........
I really hope & pray that she hasn't taken her life ..........and this becomes a cold case..........

I hope we get some news soon as it has all gone quiet........not looking good at all........I really don't know what to think at the moment.......MOO

 

[Pepper77]

I wonder if Karen had been quietly accumulating money planning to go away somewhere (unbeknown to anyone) to have a break and make plans for her future with a new identity. That would be a lovely thought.........Sarah turned 21 in February this year (5 months ago).......

No doubt, Karen will be missing her shop (if she is still alive) but she could always start again with a new identity down the track.........
I really hope & pray that she hasn't taken her life ..........and this becomes a cold case..........

I hope we get some news soon as it has all gone quiet........not looking good at all........I really don't know what to think at the moment.......MOO

:goodpost:

BBM ... tiddles, that's been my thought from the outset.

 

[inkpink]

I tend to lean more towards her being off somewhere. One of the main reasons is due to minimal pleas from the Family. I think it's possible they are aware that she is alive and well, not in the beginning though....

 

[Armchair snoop]

I wonder if Karen had been quietly accumulating money planning to go away somewhere (unbeknown to anyone) to have a break and make plans for her future with a new identity. That would be a lovely thought.........Sarah turned 21 in February this year (5 months ago).......

No doubt, Karen will be missing her shop (if she is still alive) but she could always start again with a new identity down the track.........
I really hope & pray that she hasn't taken her life ..........and this becomes a cold case..........

I hope we get some news soon as it has all gone quiet........not looking good at all........I really don't know what to think at the moment.......MOO

That thought also crossed my mind as well, tiddles24, and I wondered if the "shop figures" argument was when BR realised the figures didn't add up. But gee it would have taken some good thorough planning.

 

[Armchair snoop]

I tend to lean more towards her being off somewhere. One of the main reasons is due to minimal pleas from the Family. I think it's possible they are aware that she is alive and well, not in the beginning though....

Wow I don't think the Police would be to impressed if that was the case. I can't understand the lack of pleas from Family members either. If I was in that position I would be screaming from every roof top.

 

[JLZ]

That thought also crossed my mind as well, tiddles24, and I wondered if the "shop figures" argument was when BR realised the figures didn't add up. But gee it would have taken some good thorough planning.

So much planning that an argument that morning or even the night before would be largely irrelevant.