Australia Australia - Peter Falconio, 28, Barrow Creek, NT, 14 Jul 2001

[glitters]

Hey glitters - you're right there, it's not a fatal amount of blood.. but 1/20th of total volume isn't insignificant, was my point. And I can't help wondering why anyone'd extract such a large amount of blood, plant it at a site (rather quickly, too, seeing as it was still liquid enough to be splashing) and then cover it in a pile of dirt..

I am certain there's no simple answer to what happened to Falconio. But I am pretty sure Lees is not an innocent, whatever happened.

I have spoken with 3 authors of books on this case on a number of occasions- Robin Bowles,Keith Noble and Richard Shears - and their opinions are the same as they were over 10 years ago, there is a lot more to this, from the start stories got changed,statements disappeared,even the mysterious dog changed from it's first description of 'a reddish,brown' dog to one resembling Bradley Murdoch's beloved dog Jack...black and white,jack was a Dalmatian crossed cattle dog but looked more like a Dalmation.the 'overkill' of Lee's attack was absurd to extreme....the fact that when the truckies picked her up 'she felt warm,almost as if she had just stepped out of the car which passed them heading North'.....then there is the ash on her sandals,the only ash in the area was at the exact location where the Kombi had been parked,ash from a recent scrub fire.

guess who has Brad's dog now? Yep - James Hepi's neighbour,the woman who falsely accused him of assaulting her and the daughter!

 

[my name is josephine]

I started thinking about Lees account of what happened at Barrow Creek that night. The more you think about it the more ridiculous it becomes. Its laughable really! So - we've got this guy who's following them down the road. He's got a truck full of manacles shovels and rolls of tape just ready to tie somebody up with so the attack must be PLANNED. He calmly puts a bullet in Falconios brain (according to the official story that is - I don't believe any of it) then walks up to the window of the kombi and...??? what??? At this point any serial killer worth his salt should have done the same to her too. But no. That's when he becomes a blithering idiot juggling with various rolls of tape and almost getting his nuts violated in the process. Still, at least in the struggle he manages to keep his DNA off her. (apart from the one tiny weeny spot) You'd think all this struggling would make his adrenaline pump even more but it seems to have the opposite effect because he manages to let her escape.
Now the only witness to his crime has escaped so you'd think he'd find her at all costs. Surely that has to be his main purpose now? But no! He tidies up a bit and leaves. And that's another bit that doesn't fit. For somebody with a PLAN what did he intend to do with the bodies? Surely the easiest thing would be to drag Falconios body into the undergrowth and let the scavengers take him over the next few days? And hers too. Or if he particularly wanted to take the bodies elsewhere for disposal well why not order them both into the back of his truck and shoot them there? But no - he chooses to heave Falconios dead body, singlehandedly, into the back of his own truck after he's killed him!! How strong would Murdoch have to be to do this? Would this heaving be heard by Lees hiding in the bushes? She never mentioned any of it.
If you think about what an attacker would actually do after stopping them like she says, then none of it makes any sense. Attackers surely want to be in there and out of there as fast as possible to avoid detection so why all the messing about?

 

[my name is josephine]

Hey glitters - you're right there, it's not a fatal amount of blood.. but 1/20th of total volume isn't insignificant, was my point. And I can't help wondering why anyone'd extract such a large amount of blood, plant it at a site (rather quickly, too, seeing as it was still liquid enough to be splashing) and then cover it in a pile of dirt..

I am certain there's no simple answer to what happened to Falconio. But I am pretty sure Lees is not an innocent, whatever happened.

Thanks Ausgirl and this just about sums up many people's opinion of Lees. She's not an innocent in all this by any means. She knows something which she isn't telling - just wish we knew what it was!

 

[my name is josephine]

Hmmmmm......Was Lees trying to rape Murdoch?....geeez that would be one for the books eh..... Hahahahaha......

:floorlaugh::noooo::gasp:
Hahahahahahaha!!!!! Maybe it was all the other way round!!! Murdoch is driving along when lust crazed Lees (who has missed her recent Thursday night sessions with Nicky baby) spots Murdoch and fancies a bit of excitement. She flags him down after pointing to his exhaust. At least he THINKS that's what she's pointing at!!! But it isn't! She tries to grab his testicles but he's having none of it. The eyebrows put him off! She gets some rolls of tape to try to tape him up but he's too strong and she ends up with it in her hair! Falconio gets out to see what's the matter and ends up being punched in the nose. Whilst Lees is trying to get out of the tape Falconio begs for a lift back to Alice as he can't take the pace any more. Murdoch and Falconio head back leaving Lees with the kombi, the pool of blood and the tape! Falconio just has time to pick up his book and his passport and away they go!!
SORTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Monolazer]

:floorlaugh::noooo::gasp:
Hahahahahahaha!!!!! Maybe it was all the other way round!!! Murdoch is driving along when lust crazed Lees (who has missed her recent Thursday night sessions with Nicky baby) spots Murdoch and fancies a bit of excitement. She flags him down after pointing to his exhaust. At least he THINKS that's what she's pointing at!!! But it isn't! She tries to grab his testicles but he's having none of it. The eyebrows put him off! She gets some rolls of tape to try to tape him up but he's too strong and she ends up with it in her hair! Falconio gets out to see what's the matter and ends up being punched in the nose. Whilst Lees is trying to get out of the tape Falconio begs for a lift back to Alice as he can't take the pace any more. Murdoch and Falconio head back leaving Lees with the kombi, the pool of blood and the tape! Falconio just has time to pick up his book and his passport and away they go!!
SORTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahahahaha......yeah this is how I thought it might have panned out.

 

[my name is josephine]

Hahahahahaha......yeah this is how I thought it might have panned out.

Funny thing is though - it does actually fit!!! Shame its not more believable!

 

[Continuum]

Hey glitters - you're right there, it's not a fatal amount of blood.. but 1/20th of total volume isn't insignificant, was my point. And I can't help wondering why anyone'd extract such a large amount of blood, plant it at a site (rather quickly, too, seeing as it was still liquid enough to be splashing) and then cover it in a pile of dirt..

I am certain there's no simple answer to what happened to Falconio. But I am pretty sure Lees is not an innocent, whatever happened.

The blood on the road was a guess ...the amount ,as it was mixed very heavily with dirt...
Imagin a mound of dirt 8 inches high,six inches wide and near on two feet long....this was witnessed by Vince the truck driver who picked up J.Lees... and this is five hours after the incident and who knows how many cars and trucks had run over it and spread it ...
Then we also have this...

Falconio's blood 'mixed with animal DNA'
January 07, 2006

Blood belonging to British backpacker Peter Falconio found at the scene of his outback murder was mixed with animal DNA, the author of a new book about the case claims. Roger Maynard, Australian correspondent for London-based newspaper The Times, said he had seen a laboratory analysis of the pool of blood found on the side of the Stuart Highway in the Northern Territory, which showed that non-human DNA was combined with Falconio's.

 

[glitters]

On 25 February 2002 Patrick Barkham of The Guardian reported “Scientist in dingo case at heart of ambush inquiry”.

He said the forensic expert investigating the baffling ambush of British tourists Joanne Lees and Peter Falconio in the Australian outback made the notorious error which jailed a mother for murdering her baby, it was revealed yesterday. Joy Kuhl identified foetal blood in a car belonging to Lindy Chamberlain - the crucial evidence that led to her conviction for killing her baby daughter, Azaria, near Ayres Rock, in 1980. Six years later, she admitted to a royal commission she was mistaken and the "blood" was an anti-rust chemical. Ms Chamberlain, who claimed a dingo had stolen her baby, was cleared. A film shot by a freelance cameraman for police officers and leaked to Melbourne's Sunday Herald Sun shows Ms Kuhl spraying the orange VW Kombi driven by Mr Falconio, 28, and Ms Lees, 27, to detect traces of sweat and blood. The presence of Ms Kuhl at the heart of the fruitless seven-month search for the body of Mr Falconio and the gunman who attacked him and Ms Lees, is another blow to the credibility of the Northern Territory police investigation.

A senior police commissioner from South Australia was last week drafted in by territory police as they announced a six-week review of the stalled murder hunt. The investigation has been the most expensive in the Northern Territory's history, but officers' handling of key evidence has come under increasing criticism. It was recently revealed that instead of using the high-quality digital master-tape of CCTV footage of a suspect, police taped the images with a domestic video recorder, then spent weeks trying to "enhance" them. It is not the first time that echoes of the Lindy Chamberlain case have emerged in the outback attack, which Ms Lees survived by hiding from a gunman for hours in the desert 185 miles north of Alice Springs.

When suspicions developed about Ms Lees's innocence - which were quashed by police - Australian journalists noted that the "Lindification" of Ms Lees had begun. Ms Chamberlain was subject to a media witch hunt and rumours that the Northern Territory police did little to dispel. Ms Lees, from Huddersfield, recently returned to the scene of her ordeal with a Granada camera crew to film a documentary for Trevor McDonald's Tonight programme. She is believed to have been paid more than £30,000 for her story.

http://netk.net.au/NT/NT16.asp

 

[glitters]

Joanne Lees being hypnotised.

 

[glitters]

A woman has described seeing an orange Kombi van on the side of the Stuart Highway the night British backpacker Peter Falconio was allegedly killed.
Bradley John Murdoch is charged with Mr Falconio's murder and the unlawful assault of Joanne Lees in 2001.
Pamela Brown told the court she was driving south on the highway with her family from the Ali Curung community in the Northern Territory.
She said just north of Barrow Creek she saw a white vehicle drive onto the bitumen from the side of the road and head north.
She said it had its lights on.
Ms Brown told the court that soon after she saw an orange Kombi van parked on the right-hand side near the bitumen.
She said there was nobody near the van.
"It was very dark and there was no moonlight," she said.
The witness said she did not see any other cars on the highway that night.
A second witness in the car with Ms Brown also told the court he saw a Kombi van on the Stuart Highway that night.
Jasper Haines said he was driving the car when they had a flat tyre near Taylor's Crossing, north of Barrow Creek.
He said, after changing the tyre they headed south along the Stuart Highway.
Mr Haines told the court he saw a four-wheel drive pull out from the side of the road and head north.
The witness said he then saw an orange Kombi van standing on the side of the road about five kilometres from Barrow Creek.
There were no people by the van.


So..............WHO moved the Kombi and neatly parked it in the scrub near ashes from a bushfire a few weeks earlier?

 

[my name is josephine]

Acording to Lees, Murdoch parked the kombi FIRST and then drove off in his own vehicle (south). Pam and Jasper have the kombi still there on the roadside even though the ute is moving (in a northerly direction). Quite clearly the accounts of these three people don't match. Makes you wonder why they chose to believe Lees' account and not that of Pam and Jasper. Also, if the "attacker" was heading north, according to Pam and Jasper, it would be impossible for the guy in the service station to be the same man. If it WAS Murdoch on CCTV then it couldn't be him driving North.

 

[glitters]

description as given by Lees,average build with long scraggly dark shoulder length hair.


Bradley Murdoch - 6'5" very short fair hair. Here with his beloved dog,Jack - note also Jack does not fit the description given by Lees which was a 'brownish reddish medium size dog'






CCTV enhancement


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2007/10/02/1111119/779013-peter-falconio-investigation.jpg


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/07/15/1226095/074451-murdoch-cctv.jpg

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/loca...eview-of-the-case-a-decade-on-86081-29054670/

 

[glitters]

Acording to Lees, Murdoch parked the kombi FIRST and then drove off in his own vehicle (south). Pam and Jasper have the kombi still there on the roadside even though the ute is moving (in a northerly direction). Quite clearly the accounts of these three people don't match. Makes you wonder why they chose to believe Lees' account and not that of Pam and Jasper. Also, if the "attacker" was heading north, according to Pam and Jasper, it would be impossible for the guy in the service station to be the same man. If it WAS Murdoch on CCTV then it couldn't be him driving North.

if he had driven South he would have directly passed her,as she was approx. 63 metres south from the blood stain.

 

[bessie]

Where are all of these images from ? They need links.

 

[Continuum]

if he had driven South he would have directly passed her,as she was approx. 63 metres south from the blood stain.

It must have been "party central" ...as Chris Malouf was about well...fifty metres away camping...


a man who told him he had camped 45m from the crime scene on the night of the killing.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ma...falconios-killer/story-e6frf7jo-1226095055934

 

[Ausgirl]

So - was Lees mates with Murdoch and then turned on him when people started waking up to how much BS she was talking?

Or - was she mates with some cops who really wanted to put Murdoch away for a long time?

Lees should be in prison, in any case. Blind Freddy can see she was talking out of her backside. Why'd nobody notice (or care) that her story had so many holes in it? At that point the case should have been re-investigated, by an independent body (since Lees was so clearly in cahoots with one or the other.. and it's not certain which).

 

[Cappuccino]

Joanne Lees was the victim of an awful crime. This is supposed to be a victim friendly forum.


This particular thread seems like nothing other than a massive smear campaign against a crime victim, with a few personal insults thrown in to any poster who dares to challenge it. I'm frankly surprised the mods here have allowed this to stand.

 

[Ausgirl]

Cappucino, no disrespect meant at all - but Lees' account has been called into question by MSM often, and from the get-go. Parts of her account are not supported, or are even directly contradicted, by the forensic evidence. That's just a fact, no matter which way you look at it.

I cannot speak for WS itself, but in my opinion this alone is just cause to question her honesty and motives for not telling the truth about what happened. It'd be a shame if we couldn't discuss a case where the 'victim' may not -- according to hard evidence -- indeed be a victim.

But I'll roll with whatever the rule is on this.

I'm personally not into attacking other people for holding different opinions, but I don't mind an atmosphere of polite debate. I hope my disagreeing with your POV wasn't part of the animosity you've percieved here, none was at all intended.

 

[glitters]

So - was Lees mates with Murdoch and then turned on him when people started waking up to how much BS she was talking?

Or - was she mates with some cops who really wanted to put Murdoch away for a long time?

Lees should be in prison, in any case. Blind Freddy can see she was talking out of her backside. Why'd nobody notice (or care) that her story had so many holes in it? At that point the case should have been re-investigated, by an independent body (since Lees was so clearly in cahoots with one or the other.. and it's not certain which).

I don't think Lees was a friend of Brad's,however she may have met him when she and Pete stopped at sedan during their trip.
I think if I had been in her position I would not have kept harping at the cops for her diary and mobile phone from the Kombi,and certainly would not have calmly emailed Nick, the guy she was having a affair with in Sydney and try to arrange meeting up with him in Berlin,while Pete was missing - I would have been helping with the search,pleading with the public to help also.....at first she said there was a sound which she assumed was the kombi backfiring as she revved the engine.She didn't see Pete get shot,she didn't see him lying on the ground as she was led straight past the rear of the kombi to be placed into the assailants vehicle.She changed her story quite a bit as to HOW she got into the rear of his vehicle.She didn't know if he was alive or dead,the police didn't either as there was no weapon,no trace of anyone being dragged,no bullet,they were looking for a missing person not a homicide victim.

 

[glitters]

Cable ties used to bind the hands of British backpacker Joanne Lees were contaminated by a forensic scientist, a court in northern Australia has heard.

The cuffs were allegedly used by Bradley Murdoch, 47, who is accused of killing Miss Lees' boyfriend Peter Falconio, 28, during an ambush in 2001.

He denies murder and the assault and kidnap of Miss Lees, 32, of Brighton.

Forensic biologist Carmen Eckhoff told the court laboratory director Dr Peter Thatcher's DNA was found on the cuffs.

She said the presence of his DNA on the "significant" piece of evidence could have got there in a number of ways, despite protocols being in place to prevent it happening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4398428.stm