Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #9

[changintimes]

Refer the very first word of my post that you quoted - 'usually'

If I was a convicted murder I'd appeal too. It makes little sense not to.

And you included reference to the Dawson trial which is what my comment was clearly about. My comment was not about the appeal but your reference.

 

[changintimes]

Seems that Dann said he is also considering asking the judge for a stay this morning.
Croucher said that has only been granted once before, coincidentally by him.
(He granted a stay in the 2016 Brett Whiteley trial over a multimillion-dollar art fraud.)

Croucher set 12th September for a plea hearing. Victim impact statements will likely be read then, ahead of sentencing.

Paraphrased from ..... Camper killer Greg Lynn’s extraordinary plan to have murder conviction quashed

Oh SA you must have missed that I gave you this exact link before you posted your link.

 

[sapphire blue]

They pretty much all say they are going to appeal.

Whether or not their appeal makes it to the Court of Appeal is yet to be seen.

In the meantime, Lynn will go off to whatever prison he will be assigned to, once he is sentenced, and he can work on his appeal in the prison library.

imo

He’s it’s quite typical of them to claim they’ll appeal, funny how few of them actually do appeal in the end.

 

[mam544]

I think it DOES matter and in particular to family members and loved ones of Carole Hill and Russell Clay.

You have completely misunderstood my comment. Let me try again. Whatever arrangements Lynn has made regarding his current imprisonment, job or cell location will soon be irrelevant as he's only there temporarily. He will soon be moved to a real Prison, as apposed to the remand centre he is now in.

 

[mam544]

Here you go SA 12 September.

Too much very interesting info in this article to post bits written by no other than Erin Pearson.

Camper killer Greg Lynn’s extraordinary plan to have murder conviction quashed

To clear their client of Carol Clay’s murder the former pilot’s lawyers are considering using a law successfully applied in the state only once before.

www.theage.com.au

Defence barrister Dermot Dann, KC, said his team held serious concerns over how the trial was run and raised fears that his client would not be able to get a fair retrial if the Court of Appeal granted one.

Well, he would say that, wouldn't he.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

And you included reference to the Dawson trial which is what my comment was clearly about. My comment was not about the appeal but your reference.

Dawson was plainly and obviously provided as an example of 'usually.' Move on.

 

[emirates1957]

I just had lunch with a friend who flew with Qantas for 35 years. She suggested I join “Crew Social” via FB…..apparently a lot of chat going on about his antics and flying career….hopefully they will accept my request.

 

[changintimes]

Defence barrister Dermot Dann, KC, said his team held serious concerns over how the trial was run and raised fears that his client would not be able to get a fair retrial if the Court of Appeal granted one.

Well, he would say that, wouldn't he.

Yes because he is looking after his client's best interests.

 

[wallyworld]

Here you go SA 12 September.

Too much very interesting info in this article to post bits written by no other than Erin Pearson.

Camper killer Greg Lynn’s extraordinary plan to have murder conviction quashed

To clear their client of Carol Clay’s murder the former pilot’s lawyers are considering using a law successfully applied in the state only once before.

www.theage.com.au

What is interesting about this article? Nothing that jumps out IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

He’s it’s quite typical of them to claim they’ll appeal, funny how few of them actually do appeal in the end.

I think many people do not have grounds for an appeal, they just think they do.

 

[wallyworld]

Perhaps GL IQ is a great deal higher than the source of comments mentioned in this article. Do you have inside info SA that it was someone in 'authority' who is the source? I bet that phone line or internet connection will be of interest to persons of real authority.

oops, I think you are shooting the messenger...
SA quoted what was written in the media article NOT personal inside knowledge.

The only phone lines and internet connections being of interest would be that of GL I imagine, after all, he was the one found guilty of MURDER.

GL's IQ may or may not be higher than the source of the comments mentioned in the article, who knows?
Perhaps we could also ask how high said parties' EQ is as well to put things into perspective. IMO GL presents as having a very low EQ.

 

[drsleuth]

Oh SA you must have missed that I gave you this exact link before you posted your link.

Maybe SA can not see your posts?, members can choose that option if they like.

 

[wallyworld]

You have completely misunderstood my comment. Let me try again. Whatever arrangements Lynn has made regarding his current imprisonment, job or cell location will soon be irrelevant as he's only there temporarily. He will soon be moved to a real Prison, as apposed to the remand centre he is now in.

All good mam544.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Unfair

What happened to Carol and Russell, now that is what I would call unfair

 

[JudgeJudi]

More from ABC News on what was said this morning. I've paraphrased wherever possible.

Dann said GL will appeal his murder conviction, arguing prosecutors used unfair tactics in his trial and that the jury's verdict was potentially unsafe.

He said his client continued to protest his innocence. "He maintains that he's never killed any person at any time, at any place, anywhere, ever".

"The long-term future of that guilty verdict must be seen as being in grave doubt."

He said prosecutors "conducted the trial unfairly" when they broke rules of procedural fairness by making claims about GL to the jury without giving him an opportunity to respond to the allegations.

"When there's two sides in a contest … and one side breaks the rules 20 to 25 times, we say it's beyond argument that one side's acted unfairly".

Dann said GL was attacked in prison during the trial and has "now been named as a target for other prisoners".

He said media stories about GL since the verdict had "poisoned the well of justice" to the point where any potential re-trial could not occur in the remote future.

"It's been flooded with inadmissible material, what the jury didn't hear, unsubstantiated allegations, linkages to other crimes, other deaths, gossip".

Dann said he and GL would respect the Supreme Court's current sentencing process.

Lynn will have to face a pre-sentence hearing, where victim impact statements will be provided by Ms Clay's family.

There is also the potential Lynn could be sentenced before an appeal takes place.

The defence was considering whether it should make an extraordinary application to the court for sentencing to be delayed during the appeal period due to concerns about the verdict, how the trial was run and his safety. "The law says such an application could only be allowed in highly unusual, highly extreme situations".

Media reports about Greg Lynn have 'poisoned the well of justice', lawyer tells court

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn will appeal his murder conviction, his lawyer says, after he was found guilty of killing retiree Carol Clay in Victoria's High Country.

www.abc.net.au

I just wish they'd lock him up and throw away the key for 25 years.

 

[wallyworld]

Yeah well media reps are well known to inflate comments and content for that $ click bait. IMO I have never heard of an inmate being given the opportunity to demand anything. To believe so would be outrageous IMO.

Demand, manipulate call it what you want.
Peter Gibbs and Heather Parker - classic manipulation

 

[TootsieFootsie]

‘He maintains he told zero lies’: Greg Lynn to appeal conviction in high country murder case, court hears

Jury had found former Jetstar pilot guilty of killing Carol Clay, but not of murdering Russell Hill

www.theguardian.com

He said Lynn maintained his innocence in respect to both murder charges.

“He maintains that he told zero lies in that [police] interview … that was played to the jury,” he told the court on Friday.

“He maintains that he’s never killed any person at any time at any place, anywhere, ever.”

 

[SouthAussie]

‘He maintains he told zero lies’: Greg Lynn to appeal conviction in high country murder case, court hears

Jury had found former Jetstar pilot guilty of killing Carol Clay, but not of murdering Russell Hill

www.theguardian.com

He said Lynn maintained his innocence in respect to both murder charges.

“He maintains that he told zero lies in that [police] interview … that was played to the jury,” he told the court on Friday.

“He maintains that he’s never killed any person at any time at any place, anywhere, ever.”

I wonder how that will go down in the 'remorse' aspect of sentencing.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*There has been a bombshell development in the high country murder trial with convicted killer Greg Lynn set to appeal the verdict.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I notice how he's kind of getting in that not only he didn't kill Russell and Carol, he also didn't kill anyone else.

Is that just in case he gets charged with someone's else's death.