Found Deceased Australia - Samuel Thompson, 22, Albion, Qld, 7 March 2017 *Arrests* #4

[Seek]

A well known OMG clubhouse is in Albion so bikie involvement is plausible. Jmo

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I'm hearing hells angels or bandidos

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[SouthAussie]

Yes I wondered things like that too. Like if he say, used ice or coke but sold pot etc. Locals did say he'd been selling for a while: years. So maybe he sold small time or maybe his selling dropped off success wise, as his use escalated. I think ST looks a lot thinner in recent photos. Maybe from stress or maybe from drugs: unsure.


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BBM

Or maybe from moving out of home and not having the folks' good cooking to rely on. :floorlaugh:

A few of my DD's great mates lost weight when they moved out of home and started fending for themselves. The 2-minute noodles and bare pantry didn't do what mum and dad's cooking did.

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[Drb]

I'm hearing hells angels or bandidos

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Rebels have been for years.

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[Karinna]

Yes, would you rather do business with a nice (unintimidating) guy or an intimidating ****/s? I think ST was successful at what he was doing and others had to shut it down. Moo

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Definitely not the latter. That could be right about shutting Sam down. From what i read in earlier msm article it was stated RB & ST knew each other. I tried to find the article before but couldn't find it. I can't remember what the exact word was that was used in describing that? But it did imply that they definitely knew each other, but not so much AD knowing Sam. I guess Sam might of known of him, but not actually knew him.

 

[Drb]

I think what might be meant there is maybe we were looking at it from the wrong angle. For example, something possibly like:

Pretty early on, there seemed to be theories emerging around RB being the bigger fish here, with ST perhaps owing him money, if ST was a lower level seller. That perhaps ST's death was around non payment of a debt he owed as a result of being mixed up in drugs. There was also some speculation around if his having an expensive car etc drew the ire of people he owed money to.

There was also theories around if bikies/mafia were involved. I can see how this would be a popular theory. I recently spent some time reading the CCC Illicit drugs intel report from 2016 and it discusses organized crime being entrenched in the drug market in Qld, especially ice and a couple of other drugs. So, whilst I think somewhere in this food chain there is organized crime, I don't necessarily think it's at the AD/RB/ST level.

It's my theory ST was a drug dealer. At first I was leaning toward ice, given the apparent violence involved in ST's assault and some local knowledge posts. However, I also recall people posting RB was a long term, heavy duty coke user. It's noted that where there is prolonged/chronic use or a huge binge, coke can make people very prone to extreme aggression. Regarding AD's drug connection, I don't know if he has PTSD, but for mine, it's not unreasonable to think that a person who had had his experiences may be self medicating with drugs.

Another reason I'm leaning toward ST being the dealer here and not RB is the type of lifestyles. If RB is a drug dealer at a level where ST is owing a lot of money, what has RB got to show for it? Comments/observations on this thread from locals etc seem to indicate his ute didn't move much and he didn't seem to be doing too much in the way of work: reasonably unmotivated. His ute looks pretty old. He lives in his folks house, and it's not very swish or even has well kept gardens for a garden guy! If he's rolling in cash as a dealer: where is it? If he was using everything he earned selling, it's hard to think he can be a drug king pin if he's such a heavy user? Conversely, look at ST. No discernible source of income and even when seemingly employed, it wasn't in a high paid industry. He has an expensive car which appears unencumbered, he lives in a reasonably expensive apartment, he has expensive clothes/shoes/accessories and a reasonably recent overseas trip. To me, that seems to fit more along the lines of an expensive lifestyle on an income that doesn't quite match up. As for having to show an income to rent, a way around that would be to claim you are self employed and pay a lot of rent up front.

Going forward on the theory ST was a drug dealer, when considering the sloppy nature of at least the post murder situation, this seems like a case of drug users killing their drug dealer. A quick google search will show any number of cases where ice etc dealers are killed by their customers, brutally, for money or drugs. I think if it was management sorting out someone who owed them money, it would be a lot less sloppy than this.

Something that always bothered me was that if AD had the sort of planning skills and cool temperament under pressure to get to and through Syria and all that entailed, I could not work out how this turned into such a litany of disasters post murder. Though if they were heavily drug affected, the situation was probably a mess because they were.

There has been a lot of speculation regarding what ST did in between his last sighting driving and arriving at RB's. I recall on an early MSM article or QPS FB post about ST, a woman was adamant she saw ST's car really frequently, like every or most afternoons up Strathpine/Caboolture way. I wondered if ST had a job up that way, but maybe it was that his supplier was up there and that's where he was for the missing time that day? It about fits time wise.

Perhaps AD and RB arranged to meet him after for a large buy that they did not have money for or they knew it was pick up day and opportunisticly hoped to rob ST of his supply. Perhaps ST was dropping off money and they hoped to just rob him of that.

The robbery last year never seemed to gel for me. There just seemed something not quite right. I wonder if perhaps other things, that didn't get reported, like drugs or money, got stolen that night as well. The T family seemed to move from the house reasonably soon after. It made me wonder if ST used to sell from home, but after that, moved to more secured accommodation and only did out calls? This may account for why ST was at RB's? For a drop off he may have done regularly and not felt any apprehension about.

If ST was selling drugs, I'm not judging. Doesn't mean he deserved to die. If AD and RB were off their heads, I'm not endorsing their behaviour, either.

Maybe it is some super complex web of crime. But maybe the simple solution is it: a drug dealer, violently killed by two drug addicts off their heads?

What a sad sad end for three young men who seemingly all come from lovely families.

Everything above is a theory, JMO, IMO, MOO every disclaimer possible being added here.


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Good theory. Some can be functioning addicts/users and some aren't in my experiences with ice users

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[Karinna]

A well known OMG clubhouse is in Albion so bikie involvement is plausible. Jmo

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What's OMG? Never heard of that one?

 

[Seek]

Rebels have been for years.

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Ty mate, I'll enquire about them tomorrow with regard to this case. Tomorrow I'll put aside a minute for Sam too.

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[Karinna]

Yes, though my first thought with this is .... not good to be blabbing if you are involving yourself with a bikie gang. Goes strictly against their code.

Oh definitely. You would be out in a New York minute lol.

 

[Drb]

What's OMG? Never heard of that one?

Outlaw motorcycle gangs

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[Seek]

Definitely not the latter. That could be right about shutting Sam down. From what i read in earlier msm article it was stated RB & ST knew each other. I tried to find the article before but couldn't find it. I can't remember what the exact word was that was used in describing that? But it did imply that they definitely knew each other, but not so much AD knowing Sam. I guess Sam might of known of him, but not actually knew him.

I believe all 3 were known to each other for many years at various levels. Moo

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[Drb]

Ty mate, I'll enquire about them tomorrow with regard to this case. Tomorrow I'll put aside a minute for Sam too.

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No worries. They may not be as visible as they used to be with VLAD in place and Alex Vella exiled.

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[Karinna]

I'm hearing hells angels or bandidos

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Angels would not prospect someone that young. But maybe things have changed now a lot of the older ones have died out? Anyone ever see AD with colors on or riding a bike? Or do you think he was just dealing with them?

 

[Karinna]

Outlaw motorcycle gangs

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Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was some new club, LOL.

 

[Drb]

Angels would not prospect someone that young. But maybe things have changed now a lot of the older ones have died out? Anyone ever see AD with colors on or riding a bike? Or do you think he was just dealing with them?

Neither perhaps just dealing. They use the younger guys to do their dirty work. When they want a supply they make them do their crimes to pay the debt.

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[Seek]

Yes, though my first thought with this is .... not good to be blabbing if you are involving yourself with a bikie gang. Goes strictly against their code.

Yes, what if AD was trying to get involved and failed their psych test? Moo <modsnip>

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[Karinna]

Neither perhaps just dealing. They use the younger guys to do their dirty work. When they want a supply they make them do their crimes to pay the debt.

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Yeah i guess times sure have changed then. I have heard they have because both my ex & current partners used to ride and things were not so full on back then. Old school though haha.

 

[Seek]

Angels would not prospect someone that young. But maybe things have changed now a lot of the older ones have died out? Anyone ever see AD with colors on or riding a bike? Or do you think he was just dealing with them?

<modsnip> The youth of today seem so aggressive imo

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[Drb]

Yeah i guess times sure have changed then. I have heard they have because both my ex & current partners used to ride and things were not so full on back then. Old school though haha.

I guess alot may come down to VLAD. They could deny any association or wrong doing perhaps if they are patched in. Then there are the "nike bikies" who never ride bikes... old school is gone imho.

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[SouthAussie]

<modsnip> The youth of today seem so aggressive imo

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Well, if bikies are involved, which I think seems unlikely, they will be really thrilled at the big botched mess Boscaino and Dyball made of all this!


I remember when that SA girl went (willingly) missing for a while - Rachael Moritz - the young guy she took off with apparently worked with the Hells Angels, was a bit of a cage fighter, did some of their rough work, burned cars. Part of the initiation before becoming a fully fledged member.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...s/news-story/a86a2def0944b05c300255fabd50b9c3

 

[Karinna]

<modsnip>. The youth of today seem so aggressive imo

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BBM, you are right on with that. I think peeps in general are much more aggressive these days. Don't know what it is though? People used to be so friendly, and now not so much. Poor kids i feel sorry for them growing up in todays world.