Australia - Siege/Ambush at Remote Property - 6 Dead Including 2 Police/Neighbor - Wieambilla (Queensland)

[SouthAussie]

I’m curious to hear what the witnesses next week have to say about the relationship between Gareth and Nathaniel. Nathaniel excels at army training, but Gareth fails, so Nathaniel gives up this career opportunity. Because he loves Gareth or because Gareth couldn’t handle it? Nathaniel marries Stacey and they have kids, then Gareth moves in, takes over this relationship, and now becomes Stacey’s new husband and father role towards the children. Nathaniel stays for awhile, but eventually leaves. He apparently excels at his career as a teacher. He has a heart attack and deteriorates in all sorts of ways, including strong personal grievances against the Education Department. Then he abandons his career and goes back to his brother, the one who it seems forced him out of his own family? Lots of people love their siblings but this is really something else.

There was some kind of weird symbiotic relationship between Gareth and Nathaniel.

It reminds me of parasitism. Where one benefits, and the other has resulting negative experiences.

Do you think that maybe Nathaniel was afraid of Gareth (maybe for good reason) - who was deemed psychologically unfit for the army - and therefore went along with whatever Gareth wanted? Not strong enough to break free and stay free?

imo

 

[SLouTh]

No, they both applied to join the army when they were younger. Gareth failed the psych exam. Nathaniel was marked as officer material, but he opted out in solidarity and studied to become a PE teacher instead.

How my friend turned from tennis prodigy into an unhinged killer

The news headline told of cold-blooded murder, but the face staring back at me was that of my childhood friend, writes Josh Robertson.

www.abc.net.au

There is now a Part 2 to this informative article via an ABC Podcast ..

Notorious 08 | My friend, the cop killer pt 2 - ABC listen

Nathaniel Train was renowned as a distinguished principal who could deliver impressive results for disadvantaged schools. His childhood friend, reporter Josh Robertson, investigates what fateful events led to Nathaniel's transformation into a cold-blooded killer.

www.abc.net.au

@sunnybree the podcast addresses a lot of the issues you raise in the above post …. And the timeline leading up to the diabolical event of the shootings…

IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Do you think that maybe Nathaniel was afraid of Gareth (maybe for good reason) - who was deemed psychologically unfit for the army - and therefore went along with whatever Gareth wanted? Not strong enough to break free and stay free?

I think it is possible that Nathanial’s cardiac arrest (and resulting hypoxic brain injury, IMO) played a significant role in the brothers relationship …. Making NT very vulnerable, to his brothers ideologies, and the dire consequences that followed …

Until then, NT had managed to break away, and stay free ….and was living a successful life …

JMO

 

[Ellery84]

I’m curious to hear what the witnesses next week have to say about the relationship between Gareth and Nathaniel. Nathaniel excels at army training, but Gareth fails, so Nathaniel gives up this career opportunity. Because he loves Gareth or because Gareth couldn’t handle it? Nathaniel marries Stacey and they have kids, then Gareth moves in, takes over this relationship, and now becomes Stacey’s new husband and father role towards the children. Nathaniel stays for awhile, but eventually leaves. He apparently excels at his career as a teacher. He has a heart attack and deteriorates in all sorts of ways, including strong personal grievances against the Education Department. Then he abandons his career and goes back to his brother, the one who it seems forced him out of his own family? Lots of people love their siblings but this is really something else.

I think the three of them were potentially in a relationship, Nathaniel moved away for a while and then the three adults got back together.

Nothing much has been said about the correspondence on their phones between the three of them.

I wonder if SMS messages or other comms between them might shine a light on the nature of their relationship.

 

[Ellery84]

There is now a Part 2 to this informative article via an ABC Podcast ..

Notorious 08 | My friend, the cop killer pt 2 - ABC listen

Nathaniel Train was renowned as a distinguished principal who could deliver impressive results for disadvantaged schools. His childhood friend, reporter Josh Robertson, investigates what fateful events led to Nathaniel's transformation into a cold-blooded killer.

www.abc.net.au

@sunnybree the podcast addresses a lot of the issues you raise in the above post …. And the timeline leading up to the diabolical event of the shootings…

IMO

Omg, the partner of Nathaniel (before he died) is covered under an interim suppression order.

Wow.

 

[Rocket333]

I’m curious to hear what the witnesses next week have to say about the relationship between Gareth and Nathaniel. Nathaniel excels at army training, but Gareth fails, so Nathaniel gives up this career opportunity. Because he loves Gareth or because Gareth couldn’t handle it? Nathaniel marries Stacey and they have kids, then Gareth moves in, takes over this relationship, and now becomes Stacey’s new husband and father role towards the children. Nathaniel stays for awhile, but eventually leaves. He apparently excels at his career as a teacher. He has a heart attack and deteriorates in all sorts of ways, including strong personal grievances against the Education Department. Then he abandons his career and goes back to his brother, the one who it seems forced him out of his own family? Lots of people love their siblings but this is really something else.

An interesting read….

Wieambilla police killers' father reveals estrangement following child sex abuse allegations - ABC News
'Bewildered': Trio made shocking allegations against parents years before deadly ambush

 

[SouthAussie]

An interesting read….

Wieambilla police killers' father reveals estrangement following child sex abuse allegations - ABC News
'Bewildered': Trio made shocking allegations against parents years before deadly ambush

Sounds like Stacey was already messed up (perhaps not by her own doing) before meeting the Train boys.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

New free article summing up the information from last week ….

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/inside-meticulous-setup-of-doomsday-trio-who-fatally-ambushed-cops-neighbour/news-story/2b3a46eb09a7536d409d8cca6bcc4f2e

 

[SLouTh]

Then McCrow was shot in the back and legs while trying to crawl to cover.

She pleaded with Gareth Train before he fatally shot her in the head at close range, the inquest heard.

Books, healthy food, toilet paper and paranoia in a Wieambilla house

A copy of “The Godfather” novel was found in the sniper’s hide that former principal Nathaniel Train used to track four police officers before the shooting began.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

I hadn’t realised that Rachel had been able to try and crawl for cover, (good on her and how brave) previously I had thought she was shot next to Matthew in the middle of the driveway..

IMO