drsleuth
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- May 2, 2012
- Messages
- 6,083
- Reaction score
- 37,617
Australia - Siege/Ambush at Remote Property - 6 Dead Including 2 Police/Neighbor - Wieambilla (Queensland)
- Thread starter TootsieFootsie
- Start date
drsleuth
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- May 2, 2012
- Messages
- 6,083
- Reaction score
- 37,617
NSW Police threats not handed to Queensland before cops killed
www.9news.com.au
NSW Police threats not handed to Queensland before cops killed
Threatening emails from a man who went on to fatally shoot three people in Queensland were not handed over by NSW Police due to procedural requirements, a coroner has heard.
drsleuth
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- May 2, 2012
- Messages
- 6,083
- Reaction score
- 37,617
Inquest told Gareth Train's email threats left out of briefing to Queensland police before Wieambilla shootings
NSW Police were aware of Gareth Train's email threats that police would be "dealt with" if they went to his property but didn't inform Queensland officers before they attended the Wieambilla property in 2022, an inquest has heard.
www.abc.net.au
Gareth Train's threatening emails not included in briefing to Queensland police the day of Wieambilla shootings, inquest hears
The court has previously been told that in the police system a summary of an investigation is known as a 'narrative'.
The narrative relating to Nathaniel Train included reports that Gareth Train was "paranoid" and had a "dislike for police".
Queensland police were made aware of these reports, and the fact that Nathaniel Train was a licensed firearm holder.
However, when passing on information about the Trains, Detective Senior Constable Montgomery attached the first narrative in the system, which was created 11 days earlier, but not the most recent 'narrative' that had been submitted at around 10.30am on the morning of the shooting.
This narrative included reports about Gareth Train's emails.
drsleuth
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- May 2, 2012
- Messages
- 6,083
- Reaction score
- 37,617
Police officers behind 'welfare check' turned fatal to testify
A coroner investigating the deaths of six people in rural Queensland is due to hear from police officers wh...
www.9news.com.au
Police officers behind 'welfare check' turned fatal to testify at Wieambilla inquest
A coroner investigating the deaths of six people in rural Queensland is due to hear from police officers who planned the "welfare check" that turned into a deadly shooting.
Queensland Constable Stephanie Abbott is due to give evidence about the background checks she did in respect of the Trains.
Acting Sergeants Justin Drier and Matthew Minz, officers in charge of the Chinchilla and Tara police stations respectively, will give evidence about their decision to send the four junior officers to the Trains' Wieambilla property.
Detective Senior Sergeant Duncan Gorrie and Detective Chief Inspector Garry Watts will give their opinions on the decisions made during the missing person investigation.
scapa
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Sep 18, 2009
- Messages
- 1,629
- Reaction score
- 15,081
Inquest told Gareth Train's email threats left out of briefing to Queensland police before Wieambilla shootings
NSW Police were aware of Gareth Train's email threats that police would be "dealt with" if they went to his property but didn't inform Queensland officers before they attended the Wieambilla property in 2022, an inquest has heard.
Gareth Train's threatening emails not included in briefing to Queensland police the day of Wieambilla shootings, inquest hears
The court has previously been told that in the police system a summary of an investigation is known as a 'narrative'.
The narrative relating to Nathaniel Train included reports that Gareth Train was "paranoid" and had a "dislike for police".
Queensland police were made aware of these reports, and the fact that Nathaniel Train was a licensed firearm holder.
However, when passing on information about the Trains, Detective Senior Constable Montgomery attached the first narrative in the system, which was created 11 days earlier, but not the most recent 'narrative' that had been submitted at around 10.30am on the morning of the shooting.
This narrative included reports about Gareth Train's emails.
So the police in charge of activating the welfare check knew from the extant "narrative" that
- Train was paranoid
- Train disliked / hated police
- Train(s) were armed
But not yet that
- Gareth Train had recently made direct criminal threats concerning what he might do to police who came onto his property
Armed with that first section of analysis but without knowing about the recent direct threats, the decision was made to send 4 junior officers.
I'm guessing that a "narrative" system update that prioritizes and redflags critical info so it's seen first and not simply in the order in which it appeared is required.
Terrible situation, made still more shocking somehow by the chronology of this inquest, IMO.