GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[Officer Dibble]

Not only that, but also CS is 4 years old. Not 2 years old. I am pretty sure that a whip-smart 4 year old might be able to see through any dress-up game played by TK.
It might be a bit like someone dressing up as Santa and the young child knowing that it is really granddad in the Santa costume.

imo

If true, I think the police child psychologist would have dug deeper for a description of the woman (if CS wasn't tiring by then) in such a way that the police can detemine the scenario.
I wonder if they would be inviting others who had seen or been in contact with TK during this period to contact them, if they weren't kinda sure someone else had been at the house - or that CS had visited with someone else for a while.

Not necessarily. I was a smart 4 year old and had no idea the strange Santa was my Grandfather dressed up.

 

[Officer Dibble]

A simple question like "did the lady have a beard?" might be enough to clear up the matter ... for the police.

Or a latex face mask

 

[styzrz]

The Australian

Police have begun tracking down everyone TK communicated with on his phone in the weeks before CS was abducted and while the four-year-old was missing.

Analysis of a mobile phone seized from the accused child abductor after his arrest was completed in Perth at the weekend.

It is considered crucial as detectives work towards a clearer picture of what TK did, where he went and to whom he spoke before CS vanished from the Blowholes Campground in the early hours of October 16 and in the 18 days before she was rescued from his rented duplex.


On Tuesday, a police source told The Australian that after a week at the house where CS was found on November 3, forensics officers had not found anything that made investigators believe anyone besides CS and TK had been inside while she was missing. “There’s nothing to say anyone’s actually been to the house,” the source said.


However, police have not ruled out the possibility that more than one person could have been involved in or had knowledge of CS abduction. They have also not revealed whether they believe CS was at the house the entire time she was missing. That is one reason why the phone data is so crucial, a separate source close to the investigation told The Australian on Tuesday.


A detective accompanied the phone - sealed in an evidence bag - on a flight from the remote northwest town of Carnarvon to Perth late last week.


Police are privately adamant that a mobile phone tower near the campground where CS vanished shows a phone owned by TK was detected at 3am on October 16, about 90 minutes after CS mother, ES, gave her a drink of water in the family tent and about three hours before she woke to find her gone.


Mobile phone tower data cannot show whether calls or messages were made and received on an individual phone, only that a particular phone was in the area at a certain time.


Items removed from TK’s two-bedroom rental since CS’s rescue include carpet and a Bratz doll. TK’s fascination with dolls was revealed in a labyrinth of social media accounts.


A tradesman who painted the inside of the house for the landlord - Western Australia’s Housing Department - has told police one room was decorated for a little girl with shelves lined with dolls. He told police that when he saw the room, TK told him he had a daughter.


On Tuesday, forensics officers turned their attention to a dust-coated Mazda SUV parked on TK’s property since his arrest. The first development made public during the investigation into CS’s disappearance was that motorists had seen a car driving away from the blowholes and turning south towards the town of Carnarvon between 3am and 3.30am on October 16.

Police revealed on October 24 that credible witnesses had seen the car at what they considered a crucial time, and asked for anyone with information about the vehicle to come forward.


They have never revealed whether they identified that vehicle.

Police sources were on Tuesday downplaying one media report that a woman was known to have been involved in CS’s abduction. They said the investigation was ongoing.


“Our focus this week is for us to ascertain whether there was anyone else involved, that’s why we are still here,” Detective Cameron Blaine said on Monday.

“We just ask that if there was anyone that had any contact with TK, whether you saw him or met him or spoke to him on the phone, during the relevant period – please make yourself known to police.”

*Edited to bold the main point of my post.

 

[Commoner]

I think C might be confusing the people she met in the rescue situation with what happened during her captivity.

Maybe, but that wouldn't account for the presence of a female (if indeed those reports are accurate) as the video released of her discovery shows it was by a team of male police officer, who were described in MSM as all being fathers themselves

 

[Officer Dibble]

Im starting to think is it possible another man was involved someone who shares TK interest in children and dolls, a man who may cross dress its hard to imagine why a woman would want to be involved in the grooming of a missing child,

SBM. BBM. Women do abduct/steal children and babies. JMO

 

[Violet77]

We don’t know what kind of interactions CS had with TK during the abduction & drive to the house she was kept at - if she was kept at the one location the whole time - IMO it’s entirely possible that he managed to obscure CS view of him, perhaps with a sleeping bag, kept her in a locked room & only interacted with her dressed in a disguise, if he could be that elaborate with his SM accounts, who knows how much detail he could put in to a disguise. He could have been thinking ahead to conceal his identity if he planned on letting her go at a later stage, he could have been acting out one of his characters he has created, there are endless reasons why he could have done this.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I think trying to analyse TK is just pure speculation.......we at some point all suffer some loss, it's how we come out the other end that defines us. We don't know his train of thought, we cannot say one of the other this is what the reason is for his behaviour. he got lucky on one of his jaunts and allegedly abducted a young girl not from his own race. Why? I don't think he even knows, perhaps the thrill of stealing and not being caught?

Most of us are speculating. Hence putting JMO MOO

 

[Officer Dibble]

I wonder if rather than it being as simple as CS 'falling' for a guy in a silly dress, I am imagining a scenario where TK could have worked each day to convince her that although he looks a lot like TK, he's actually X instead.

I can just imagine him adding accessories, choosing outfits and doing CS's hair, explaining that he can do these things "Because I am a woman, I am X", and "TK will be back later" - which is what happens, and then TK comes back as a macho man, talking about what he got up to at work that day, asking what CS did to spend time with X, isn't X such a lovely lady), etc.

After a few days in a very confusing, strange place without all people and things she knows and loves, and with someone who is clearly extremely mentally disturbed, I can absolutely imagine even the brightest child starting to believe what is in front of them, despite logic telling them otherwise.

MOO.

This is very possible in my opinion. MOO JMO

 

[Warshawski]

According to his first cousin, who the ABC has chosen not to name, Mr Kelly and his older brother were raised in Carnarvon by their grandmother, who died around three years ago.

Alleged kidnapper had fake family on social media

PW talks about her grandsons
https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/pa...11F15B/$file/pc.pat.140829.tro.008.Walker.pdf

I’ve read so much that says PW passed away in 2020 & I wonder if this is her reference from the Gov Gazette: https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/l...2020_179.pdf/$FILE/Gg2020_179.pdf?OpenElement

Walker, Penelope Ann, late of Unit 3, 10 Crossland Street, South Carnarvon, who died on 24 May 2020 (DE33110939 EM110)

In an interview with photographer Nik Duncan ( I think in 2019) he states she lived next to the Pioneer Cemetery : Penelope shares her story — Nic Duncan

Google Maps.

so TK - has been without her for less than 18 mths. And doesn’t live in that same house.

all MOO ...

 

[Estelle]

The Australian

Police have begun tracking down everyone TK communicated with on his phone in the weeks before CS was abducted and while the four-year-old was missing.

Analysis of a mobile phone seized from the accused child abductor after his arrest was completed in Perth at the weekend.

It is considered crucial as detectives work towards a clearer picture of what TK did, where he went and to whom he spoke before CS vanished from the Blowholes Campground in the early hours of October 16 and in the 18 days before she was rescued from his rented duplex.


On Tuesday, a police source told The Australian that after a week at the house where CS was found on November 3, forensics officers had not found anything that made investigators believe anyone besides CS and TK had been inside while she was missing. “There’s nothing to say anyone’s actually been to the house,” the source said.


However, police have not ruled out the possibility that more than one person could have been involved in or had knowledge of CS abduction. They have also not revealed whether they believe CS was at the house the entire time she was missing. That is one reason why the phone data is so crucial, a separate source close to the investigation told The Australian on Tuesday.


A detective accompanied the phone - sealed in an evidence bag - on a flight from the remote northwest town of Carnarvon to Perth late last week.


Police are privately adamant that a mobile phone tower near the campground where CS vanished shows a phone owned by TK was detected at 3am on October 16, about 90 minutes after CS mother, ES, gave her a drink of water in the family tent and about three hours before she woke to find her gone.


Mobile phone tower data cannot show whether calls or messages were made and received on an individual phone, only that a particular phone was in the area at a certain time.


Items removed from TK’s two-bedroom rental since CS’s rescue include carpet and a Bratz doll. TK’s fascination with dolls was revealed in a labyrinth of social media accounts.


A tradesman who painted the inside of the house for the landlord - Western Australia’s Housing Department - has told police one room was decorated for a little girl with shelves lined with dolls. He told police that when he saw the room, TK told him he had a daughter.


On Tuesday, forensics officers turned their attention to a dust-coated Mazda SUV parked on TK’s property since his arrest. The first development made public during the investigation into CS’s disappearance was that motorists had seen a car driving away from the blowholes and turning south towards the town of Carnarvon between 3am and 3.30am on October 16.

Police revealed on October 24 that credible witnesses had seen the car at what they considered a crucial time, and asked for anyone with information about the vehicle to come forward.


They have never revealed whether they identified that vehicle.

Police sources were on Tuesday downplaying one media report that a woman was known to have been involved in CS’s abduction. They said the investigation was ongoing.


“Our focus this week is for us to ascertain whether there was anyone else involved, that’s why we are still here,” Detective Cameron Blaine said on Monday.

“We just ask that if there was anyone that had any contact with TK, whether you saw him or met him or spoke to him on the phone, during the relevant period – please make yourself known to police.”

*Edited to bold the main point of my post.

From the above article:

"On Tuesday, a police source told The Australian that after a week at the house where CS was found on November 3, forensics officers had not found anything that made investigators believe anyone besides CS and TK had been inside while she was missing. “There’s nothing to say anyone’s actually been to the house,” the source said.

However, police have not ruled out the possibility that more than one person could have been involved in or had knowledge of CS abduction. They have also not revealed whether they believe CS was at the house the entire time she was missing. That is one reason why the phone data is so crucial, a separate source close to the investigation told The Australian on Tuesday."

So what to make of that?

IMO I am now wondering whether TK took CS straight to this woman's house (was she with him then? which car was used?) and she has been looking after her. I also suspect she could have had a child (perhaps the 6yo) to play with there too. Then perhaps she changed her mind when they realised this case was in the media every day. That's possibly when TK decided to go to Bunnings to fix a lock on the doll's room and they moved her there. After that, maybe this female visited CS every day to continue to care for her and LE caught TK driving her home.

This is a real mystery, isn't it?

 

[Warshawski]

I think it's possible that this 'woman' who brushed her hair (based on the info being factual), could have been the tip off. Maybe she coordinated with police to get him out of the house, then the Police pulled the car over, arrested him and then they went and got Cleo.

Just a theory...

good thought Inky -

But wouldn’t that qualify for the Reward ??

 

[Estelle]

I’ve read so much that says PW passed away in 2020 & I wonder if this is her reference from the Gov Gazette: https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/l...2020_179.pdf/$FILE/Gg2020_179.pdf?OpenElement

Walker, Penelope Ann, late of Unit 3, 10 Crossland Street, South Carnarvon, who died on 24 May 2020 (DE33110939 EM110)

In an interview with photographer Nik Duncan ( I think in 2019) he states she lived next to the Pioneer Cemetery : Penelope shares her story — Nic Duncan

Google Maps.

so TK - has been without her for less than 18 mths. And doesn’t live in that same house.

all MOO ...

Perhaps he did live at Crossland Street before and after PW died in May 2020, but he then went to prison (we don't know when) but we do know that he left prison this year in June 2021. Therefore, his unit was probably let to someone else and in June this year, he was given his present house in Tonkin Street to rent.

ALL IMO

 

[Warshawski]

I haven't posted the link about the school friend saying no unusual behaviour at school as of the victoms name in the link


The thing I find most fascinating is a school class mate he was described as normal, he seemed to hav a great upbringing the way the grandma who took him in talked about him gift from God beautifully cury black hair boy she is saying this towards the end of her life so it sounds as if she absolutely loved him, he has been given a goverment housing obviously has a centerlink income, he has been given everything in life, not every child who is adopted turns out to steel other peoples children, he is even dealing pot for extra cash, has a new car, isn't bothering to hav the expense or bother of a licens or rego, everyone seems to like him apart from the person who done the course who said he is a odd ball, he is know to ask for a smoke, the online world started long before grandma's passing, he isn't that ashamed of his dolls happy to show painter and pass it off as his daughters room he could of easily said its for his 6yr old neice to play with when he looks after her, he has every doll that he wanted Bratz didn't come out until he was 16 so it wasn't as if he was a little boy and missed out on the experience of playing with bratz dolls as he was a boy, when Bratz came out he was 16 old enough to legally live on his own, from the way he types his social media its been mentioned that he has great grammar its obvious he had an education sounding like he had studied beyond year 10 by the way his grammar is, he is obviously close to the 6yr old neice and the aunty or who ever the woman he was driving at that time of night, i think he has people in his life, all the people in the shops know who he is, the neighbour says he is a good neighbour and chases off anyone who would try brake in while he is working, from the outside looking in i can't see anything popping out to give this guy an excuse for why he would take someone's child he seems to hav had it better than alot of others hav it

so - did he take CS or was he ‘minding her’ for someone else ?

The head-banging responsible for his police- custody hospital visits, was said to be accompanied by wailing of “I’m sorry, I’m sorry “ ..

 

[W4ts0n]

SBM. BBM. Women do abduct/steal children and babies. JMO

Not suggesting that it happened in this case, the way things have panned out from the start though, it's a highly unusual case, so nothing would surprise me now.

So, it's not just your opinion, but a fact. Women have murdered pregnant Mothers to be, so they could then remove the baby from the womb to pass off as their own.

Women have assisted in abducting others so that their sadistic partner can have their way with them.

Although history shows that it is mostly men who commit terrible crimes against children and Females in general, Women have also been known to commit or be a participant in heinous crimes.

 

[Andreee]

Maybe, but that wouldn't account for the presence of a female (if indeed those reports are accurate) as the video released of her discovery shows it was by a team of male police officer, who were described in MSM as all being fathers themselves

True, and I certainly don't think CS would mix up where she saw the female, during her captivity, or while being rescued!

 

[Estelle]

so - did he take CS or was he ‘minding her’ for someone else ?

The head-banging responsible for his police- custody hospital visits, was said to be accompanied by wailing of “I’m sorry, I’m sorry “ ..

Or did he take her for someone else who changed their mind?

 

[Estelle]

Perhaps he did live at Crossland Street before and after PW died in May 2020, but he then went to prison (we don't know when) but we do know that he left prison this year in June 2021. Therefore, his unit was probably let to someone else and in June this year, he was given his present house in Tonkin Street to rent.

ALL IMO

The video on this link (near the end of it) shows PW's past house which LE have been searching.

www.9news.com.au/national/cs-detectives-investigating-if-alleged-abductor-t-k-acted-alone/178a75eb-964e-466d-b4e0-88541f787967

 

[porkypies]

It’s interesting that CS was wide awake in the wee small hours when she was rescued, suggesting that she may have been adjusted onto ‘TK time’ in those 18 days. Also remembering how she fell asleep during her parental reunion. It would certainly be easier to conceal a child if she was sleeping when most of the neighbourhood was active. Just my own notions.

She was also awake when with her family, at 1.30am asking for water on the morning of her abduction. It's possible that at the time of her rescue, she was awakened by the police battering and busting their way into the house - and then into the room where she was locked.

 

[pheme]

Is it possible he picked her up when she was still in her sleeping bag?

I thought I read earlier on here that she wasn't inside the bag but had it tucked over her. That makes it even trickier if that's the case

 

[centred]

Perhaps he did live at Crossland Street before and after PW died in May 2020, but he then went to prison (we don't know when) but we do know that he left prison this year in June 2021. Therefore, his unit was probably let to someone else and in June this year, he was given his present house in Tonkin Street to rent.

ALL IMO

Initially neighbors only referred to TK as the person who "stays" at the house and for about 6 months/not long . So is it someone else he knows or kin who has been allocated the house and he stays there . The person maybe comes and goes/travels /in other places for what ever reason.