GUILTY Australia - Twins Lily & Zaide, 18 mos, starved to death, Brisbane, 8 June 2008

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This women had several young children and the father WHO LIVED THERE claims to have not seen his twins since Christmas and its also reported that he was not providing them with food?!?!?!

I am not jumping to defend the mother here.... BUT I could see how with her marriage obviously crumbling and her husband obviously a cold cruel A$$HOLE coupled with many very young children how she was simply not all right in the head. (IMO having that many children under the age of five would make her a hormonal mess)
I do wonder where family and friends were??

I am not usually quick to blame the father but in this case so far it seems apt.

How do you live in the same house for six months and never see your babies?
 
I don't know. I can't feel sorry for the mother even if she is suffering from Post Partum Depression. I too am suffering from PPD along with severe OCD, but I never in a billion years would ever do anything to harm my children. EVER. I know there are different variants of PPD, most being emotionally disconnected from their baby. I'm the exact opposite. More like overly attached, I have a very hard time with letting others hold my youngest. I feel like I can never put her down or be away from her because I must protect her. So maybe I don't quite understand what it's like to have the 'disconnected' form of PPD, but I do know that it is extremely difficult to deal with and can definitely cause a strain on marriages. But in my eyes that is still no excuse to let those poor little angels die in such a terrible way.

Was there nobody she could have asked for help? A mother, sister, friend, neighbor? Why did she never seek help for herself? I just wish someone would have intervened earlier or that she would have taken it upon herself to seek treatment for her condition before it escaladed to this.
 
I beleive if the mother was suffering from postpartum depression--her own support sytem let her down. 1st Husband--what was wrong with him ddin't see kids in house please! The babies looked healthy for quite some time--something happened--where were the grandparents? Friends other relatives? The kids are old enough to have told someone something was wrong in that house. What about well baby checkups? Her own checkups--didnt anybody notice anything wrong?

My daughter-in-law was depresed after grandchild was born--we stepped into help until we knew she was better. She completely detached from baby at first, then after a few months seemed to improve--her pregnancy was very hard--lots of hospitalizations, baby born premature, etc. But as family we kept a watch because we knew she hd been thru alot and we weren't sure how she would do after baby was born. Obviously we didn't relaize she would be this depressed. But in today's news its everywhere reporting about post partum depression--no excuse noone noticed--didnt anyone ever call her. People with postpartum depression aren't cheerful. It takes their energy to talk. They need help and as family, friends if you don't take notice then you are letting your loved one down.

We all need to look around and see if there is someone we know, a neighbor, friend , relative who has had a baby who doesn't get out,who seems to avoid contact, etc. help them! Visit even if they don't want it, help pickup, take them out and just be there . I pray there is never another child lost to postpartum depression.
 
Bumping for this thread. I'm dying to know what happens. This woman is having a psychiatric exam, I want to know what the Dr.s say.

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mama

PS............good post Tigger. You're right and wanted to tell you that you and your family helping out with your DIL was wonderful. You are obviously well educated.
Depression, not just associated with with Post Partum is HUGE...and one of the biggest health problems today. I've heard of young people with it who have just stayed in bed for a year. It's very disabling! Then, take in account just having a baby and all those hormones all mixed up!

I pray this woman get's some help.
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

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mama
 
July 24, 2013
A Brisbane mother deliberately underfed her toddler twins until they died of malnourishment because she couldn't cope with them, a court has heard.

The prosecution has opened its case against a couple charged with murdering two of their six children in 2008.

The mother and her de facto partner were arrested in June of that year after the bodies of the 18-month-olds were discovered in a cot at their rented home at Sunnybank Hills, south of Brisbane.

They had been dead for up to a week and their underweight, decomposing bodies were discovered by their 11-year-old sister.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ed-to-kill-toddlers-court-20130724-2qizc.html
 
Read more:

Their mother said on more than one occasion that she wished she had given the twins away.
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I wish she had of as well :(
They would be alive now.
The parents left them in their cot for a week after they had died...

It will be interesting to see what happens in court over this.
Very tragic and sad.
 
Can anyone help with the time line of dates?

1. The twins were born in 2006 but I can't find the month.

2. The father said while he lived in the house, he had not seen the toddlers since April. Does anyone know the month their sister discovered them?

I have read more details today and can not fathom that the father says he didn't know anything because he had seen the twins.
 
Flinders said:
Can anyone help with the time line of dates?

1. The twins were born in 2006 but I can't find the month.

2. The father said while he lived in the house, he had not seen the toddlers since April. Does anyone know the month their sister discovered them?

I have read more details today and can not fathom that the father says he didn't know anything because he had seen the twins.
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I believe that they died in June 2008 and were discovered by the eldest child, a girl aged 11 in the same month, a week after they died. I remember reading of this case at the time, but didn't realize it was 5 years ago. I have attached a link from 2008.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/parents-of-starved-twins-face-charges-20080617-2s8r.html
 
July 27, 2013

TWIN toddlers who died of malnutrition, weighed less than 5kg and were underfed for a minimum of 50-60 days before they died, a court has heard.
Staff specialist forensic pathologist Dr Rebecca Williams performed an autopsy on the almost 18-month-old twins over two days in June, 2008.

She gave evidence in the Brisbane Supreme Court yesterday during the murder trial of the children's parents.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...death-court-told/story-e6frg6n6-1226686544839
 
Marlywings, have you found a news item from today?

This is from last week... Quote

She added the whole house contained "an odour" which was strongest in the toddlers' room.
Eleven baby bottles were found in their room, some with residue, but their contents were not analysed.
Five tins of baby formula were also found in the house.
The trial continues.

End quote http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/dead-toddler-twins-grossly-underweight-20130726-2qp3d.html

The twins were found to be malnourished and not dehydrated. The formula IMOO would have sustained a WWII adult in a prisoner of war camp for a period of time.

The baby bottles of formula may have not been sterilised and the babies contracted gastro with the extra nights awake with laundry and all nighters.

By their age they could be eating a family meal with slight moderation because the meat may be in little chunks.

The father, whilst living in the house is odd. Had not seen his kids since April and did not know their care?!?

God bless the little children. I hope they passed away in their sleep. I was a premature baby and my Mum woke me up to feed as all I did was sleep.

Moo.
 
Starved twins were sobbing, landlord tells Brisbane court

August 02, 2013 2:14PM

TWIN toddlers who died from malnutrition in a suburban Brisbane house sounded exhausted from crying a week or two before their deaths, a court has been told.
The landlord of the house in which the 18-month-old twins died inspected the home not long before the tragedy, the Queensland Supreme Court in Brisbane heard.

Ms Lee-Bennett said she could hear the sound of babies crying coming from a room during the inspection.
She said the children sounded "exhausted" from crying, which later turned into sobbing.

The door to their room was shut and when she asked to go in the children's mother said: "No, the twins are in there."

She had gone into the house three to six times during the eight months the family of eight had lived there.
She said she had never seen toys, bottles or nappies and the door to the toddlers' bedroom had always been shut.

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/...s-brisbane-court/story-e6frg6nf-1226690233102

Moo is that the father said he didn't see them but he MUST have heard his babies crying.
 
Father's manslaughter plea accepted in twins starvation case

August 5, 2013

The father of twin toddlers who starved to death will no longer stand trial for their murders, after prosecutors accepted his guilty plea to manslaughter.

On the ninth day of the trial in Brisbane, prosecutor Michael Byrne QC requested the jury be discharged from delivering a verdict in the case against the 33-year-old man.

"Having considered the outcome of legal argument I've decided the Crown will accept (the man's) pleas of guilty to manslaughter," he told the Brisbane Magistrate Court

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...vation-case-20130805-2r8ne.html#ixzz2b4VAvSg6
 
August 05, 2013

THE mother of twin toddlers who starved to death in their Brisbane home has told a jury she loved them and thought she was doing ``the best I could''.
The woman, 35, who cannot be named, stands accused of murdering her almost 18-month-old fraternal twins by failing to feed them enough leading up to the discovery of their decomposing remains in June, 2008.

She gave evidence on the ninth day of a trial in the Brisbane Supreme Court today.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...best-i-could8217/story-e6frg6n6-1226691302779
 
I wonder what is the legal argument for the father being now charged with manslaughter. He had a duty of care and is I am assuming able bodied to cook and feed his twins.

From The Brisbane Times...

"Having considered the outcome of legal argument I've decided the Crown will accept (the man's) pleas of guilty to manslaughter," he told the Brisbane Magistrate Court.

Justice Peter Lyons ordered that details of the legal argument, which occurred in the jury's absence, not be published until after a trial for the twins' mother.

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queen...vation-case-20130805-2r8ne.html#ixzz2b4VAvSg6
 
Testimony of the forensic psychiatrist of the assessment of the mother. Via SMH

Forensic psychiatrist tells court mother of twins suffering major depression over relationship

BROOKE BASKIN
THE COURIER-MAIL
AUGUST 06, 2013 12:59PM

A FORENSIC psychiatrist has told a court the mother of twin toddlers who died of malnutrition was suffering a major depressive episode brought on by a relationship breakdown.

She said the woman had an "extraordinarily difficult and prejudicial childhood", being raised as a foster child in an unhappy environment from the age of 14 months.

She said the twins' mother allegedly suffered attempts to sexually molest her as a child by her foster father and another family member.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/nati...ver-relationship/story-fnii5v70-1226692083452

The father was out playing poker all night at a "friends house". The mother went out searching but couldn't find him. I say she went looking for him at the Pokies but he was now a singular Poker with a female. He distanced himself from the family after she tried to find him at his nightly recreation.

Moo

Ok maybe he couldn't feed his children, wash dishes and do laundry because he had 'fell out of love' with his partner. Sarcastic comment.

Does an adult living with children not have a 'Duty of Care'?

Moo
 
I am now against the parole board where they have 6 mins allocated to every case they have to assess that day. I now advocate a system where infants are put up for adoption. The Aboriginal lobby group say that this is the next stolen generation. Foster care serves a purpose but there is a history of abuse. They have funding from the gov in every aspect. It is easy money. I have a disabled cousin and age has no support.

This week in Qld we have had 2 mothers giving their bubs to authorities. The first was named Moses.

Moo

My work college and his wife were adoptive parents. I felt their emptiness. They paid for every expense of the child and have open access to on birthdays of the mum.

Moo

Excuse me while I cry
 
Starved twins' mother acquitted of murder after pleading guilty to manslaughter

August 09, 2013

A MOTHER accused of murdering her twin toddlers by underfeeding them has been acquitted of the charge after the Crown indicated it would accept the woman's guilty plea to manslaughter.

The development came on the 12th day of the trial before Justice Peter Lyons in the Supreme Court of Brisbane and after barrister Soraya Ryan, for the accused, made an application her client had no case to answer yesterday.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/natio...er/story-fnii5v6w-1226693738787#ixzz2bSdB3wJc
 
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