Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

[Elde Fruit]

Except the lie that he never went out there with her doesn't really stand up, does it. You can't go "back" to where you weren't.

Where did he say he never went out there that night. They were clearly out there. There are selfies of them taken out there.

 

[Ausgirl]

Is it possible for you to link the full audio here? The only audio i can find ends a few seconds after he comes back inside from off the balcony?

There's longer excerpts on youtube, is all I know about aside from what msm have put out.

I don't have my copy anywhere online, and won't be sharing it until the trial is over, I just don't feel right about it, sorry.

 

[Ausgirl]

Where did he say he never went out there that night. They were clearly out there. There are selfies of them taken out there.

In my posts I made it clear what period of time I was talking about.

 

[alicat]

I hope everyone understands there is a ledge on the outer-side of the balcony railing, wide enough for one to stand on or sit on or use to lower yourself down. Its not just a balcony railing.

Do you think you could stand or sit on it well when you were three times over the limit?

 

[Elde Fruit]

Isn't that the balcony rail?

 

[Fluffykins]

Sorry for the posts re balcony witnesses. Just, based on the recording, the way W's panic escalates the longer the door is open, the timing of her screams with the opening/closing, the good chance he didn't actually lock that door til he saw her going over, makes me believe Tostee indeed terrorised W by at the very least dragging her toward the edge.

What I'm trying to feel more sure about is whether he actually lifted her up above or over it, before leaving her there alone.

I don't think he pushed her, the evidence negates this. I don't think he was holding her over right before she fell- you can hear her through the glass, he and the recording dev. are on other side.

But I DO believe in the scant seconds before the witnesses saw her climbing over, he did terrorise her enough to make her to risk that climb. Circumstantial only, but there IS evidence to support it, enough to absolutely convince me of it. My only question is: did he terrorise her by dragging her over and just leaving her there, or did he terrorise her by lifting her up (as he is KNOWN to have to done before to another girl...) or pretending he was gonna throw her over, before leaving her there.

It's my belief he was making out like he was going to throw her over, and she would have been struggling like crazy, and I don't think he would have actually been able to get her onto the other side of the railing because of that. I mean, I don't think he would have been able to place her over the other side because she would have been putting up too much of a fight. Hence the heavy breathing when he came back in. JMO.

 

[alicat]

Was it ever explained why he dud not put her out the front door? Perhaps he liked her but didnt want her to go altogether. Or what? Wish he had.

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I believe he explained it himself on his bodybuilding forum. He said the balcony was 2m from where he was and the front door was 10m away? I'll see if I can find the link.

 

[Elde Fruit]

In my posts I made it clear what period of time I was talking about.

Can you remind me what evidence was presented at the Trial about this? I thought it was common ground he removed her to the balcony, which implies he was there to put her there.

 

[Ausgirl]

Just last month, ‘G T’ posted about ‘young sloots’ being ‘headcases’.
“Had a 21 year old Tinder date come over for drinks, we’re getting along fine, start kissing, feeling each other...’

“She’s small so I go to hug and lift her up and take her inside from the balcony but she totally freaks out, mumbles something about getting back to her parents and bolts out the door. Deletes me off both Tinder and FB.”
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...t/news-story/9f05d8e10c8419f71e0b2805d8001dc1

Yeah that sounds like a 'headcase".. or more like, a really frightened young woman.

 

[Bohemian]

This always stood out to me as well.

Along with the following:

1.09am: Male says that he “doesn’t think there is anything after death”. “Throw me off the balcony and that is it. This is it, boom.”

1.49am: Male says people with white coats are going to come in and the states that she would jump off the balcony. He says he is totally flattered that his vodka has had this effect on her.

2.15.30am: Male states — I thought you were kidding and I have taken enough. This is (expletive) (expletive). Male states — you are lucky I haven’t chucked you off my balcony you god damn psycho little (expletive). Male states — who the (expletive) do you think you ... I am. Yeah do your Muay Thai now.

Trying to keep my composure as much as possible I quickly realised that it would be extremely foolish to go back out on the balcony in case she had indeed fallen and someone saw me standing near the edge. The only sensible thing I could think to do at the time was call my lawyer, who would know what to do. Of course, the call didn't go through.
^^^^ REALLY? In all the worry and stress you managed to think ahead as to what other people would think about seeing you on the balcony? Guilty conscious perhaps?

The 'switch' back and forth between moods, accompanying speech and actions bothers me a great deal. They smack of a massive overreaction to Warriena's words, a perceived insult to his ego; rather than a reaction to a physical assault by her, ie; 'Shut your filthy mouth!'.

'Unfortunately, all too many romantic relationships include physical, sexual, and/or psychological abuse, a pervasive problem labeled intimate partner violence (IPV). IPV’s negative effects extend beyond the individuals in these relationships, as caring friends and family members often are brought into the fray. Likewise, community personnel, including those in law enforcement, the greater criminal justice system, and the medical community, all expend great amounts of resources for prosecuting perpetrators, victim recovery, and curtailing IPV’s occurrence.'

Source: Narcissism and Intimate Partner Violence: An Establishment of the Link and Investigation of Multiple Potential Mediators

 

[Elde Fruit]

It's my belief he was making out like he was going to throw her over, and she would have been struggling like crazy, and I don't think he would have actually been able to get her onto the other side of the railing because of that. I mean, I don't think he would have been able to place her over the other side because she would have been putting up too much of a fight. Hence the heavy breathing when he came back in. JMO.

There is the logical extension of that being - it is common ground that he simply removed her to the balcony. She is out there, and he is back in the Unit. If he intended that she go over it to her death, he could have done it. It should have been clear to her once she was put there and he is back inside, that there was no intent to harm her.

 

[Kitsune]

Thank you Ausgirl for the link! I am not on my normal device..........zero links on this one :facepalm:

 

[Elde Fruit]

Just last month, ‘G T’ posted about ‘young sloots’ being ‘headcases’.
“Had a 21 year old Tinder date come over for drinks, we’re getting along fine, start kissing, feeling each other...’

“She’s small so I go to hug and lift her up and take her inside from the balcony but she totally freaks out, mumbles something about getting back to her parents and bolts out the door. Deletes me off both Tinder and FB.”
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...t/news-story/9f05d8e10c8419f71e0b2805d8001dc1

Yeah that sounds like a 'headcase".. or more like, a really frightened young woman.

Yes, so not lifted her up and carried to the balcony at all. The complete opposite.

 

[Mrs Bennett]

Do you think you could stand or sit on it well when you were three times over the limit?

Perhaps W thought she was Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) and could shimmy across to the next apartment balcony to ask for help?

 

[Ziggie88]

Ah i see what you mean. Thanks for clarifying. I had read that too.

My recollection of that was - on some prior occasion, Tostee and another woman were out on the balcony. While, there, he lifted her up and moved back inside the Unit while carrying her. She did not like being carried at that stage in their relationship.

 

[Ziggie88]

Thats understandable. Where has this copy come from? Was it online originally?

There's longer excerpts on youtube, is all I know about aside from what msm have put out.

I don't have my copy anywhere online, and won't be sharing it until the trial is over, I just don't feel right about it, sorry.

 

[sleepinoz]

Thats understandable. Where has this copy come from? Was it online originally?

Tostee posted it himself.

 

[Hunnydolll]

What has me most disturbed and leaning towards guilt is "you've been a bad girl" statement....which is a rather flippant and taunting statement during her very emotional, terrifying, screaming, screeching, begging last moments! That one statement has rattled and haunted me most of all in this trial. It just doesn't fit for me. Chilling for me.

 

[Ausgirl]

Yes, so not lifted her up and carried to the balcony at all. The complete opposite.

So he says.

Clearly the *important* thing he wanted to get across in this boast-post was that the "young sloot" had been A/ lifted up and B/ absolutely terrified, enough to bolt and never look back.

How does not occur to people, that she was that SCARED for a reason!? smfh

And so we have precedent behaviour. Just weeks before Warriena was also terrified on that balcony, also "manhandled" by Tostee.

 

[Makara]

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