Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[Coldpizza]

William Tyrrell: ‘One million reasons’ to come forward over toddler’s abduction
7:29pm September 12, 2016

A $1 million reward, the largest in New South Wales history, has been announced for information that leads to the arrest of the person who abducted missing toddler William Tyrrell, or for the boy’s safe return or recovery.

William, then aged three, went missing from the backyard of his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the state's mid-north coast, on September 12, 2014.

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"You’re in a much better position if you come to us than if we come to you."

Det. Insp. Jubelin also said the investigation was "a long way" from going to a coronial inquest, and that police did not believe William's family were involved.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW. YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT IS OUTLINED OR YOU WILL BE TIMED OUT OR BANNED!!!!

Thanks to DrSleuth for your help in writing up the information needed for the discussion.

Here is what we can and cannot discuss.

No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.

Prior to the coronial inquest, the bio families could be identified, but it was overturned by the coroner for the inquest.

I am very sorry it took me so long to open this thread back up. Please keep in mind we are short handed so if this thread starts to get out of control with alerts we will have to close it again.
Please do not hesitate to alert but make sure the alert is truly needed. We have experienced a lot of tit for tat alerts and that makes me foam at the mouth, grow hair on my hands and my teeth turn into fangs. In other words please be sure when you post you are posting within our terms of service.

Thank you,
Tricia

Rules Etiquette & Information

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[Sillybilly]

So, does that mean it's OK to discuss any other books on the subject?

There is no blanket approval. Please contact a Mod or Admin with the name of the book and the author and we will make a decision.

Chumley's book "Searching for Spiderman" is not approved.

Gary Jubelin's book and Caroline Overington's book are the only two that are approved for discussion at this time.

I think they should be okay - as one is a journo and one is an ex-lead detective on the case - but I will alert on my post and see if a mod can clarify how we should reference. Whether that be the book and page number, or a screenshot of the specific excerpt from the page of one of the allowable books.

IIRC stormbird was putting up screenshots when she spoke of particular passages from Overington's book.

Both books can be discussed.

Always give credit to the author. Book title, page # and paraphrasing or brief quotes are allowed.

Screenshots and more extensive quoting requires approval of the author (the copyright holder).

Do not try to get more content in by breaking it up into multiple posts.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Have just spoken with Tricia and she agrees that members can discuss the recent events surrounding the issuing of the AVO and the foster parents as potential POIs (which y'all have been doing anyway, right?)

While WS policy is that we are victim friendly, and this extends to family member, the policy has to be examined as to how it relates to specific discussions and new information as it comes to light. This is a thread specific exception that is being made based on MSM, obvious action and ongoing investigation by Australian law enforcement.

Discuss matters factually and speculate reasonably but without trashing these people or making direct accusations. Members who do so will be banned from the thread.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This case has its very own set of very unique circumstances that we are having to work around and we know it is difficult for our members.

Of course we have William's case, but we also have the complicating factors of the foster situation, a living minor child, a coronial inquest that prevents publication of names, an AVO not known 100% to be immediately connected to William's case.

Taking all the above into consideration, we can not allow sleuthing of individuals who have not been publicly named.

Discussing what is in MSM is fine, but actual sleuthing of unnamed persons and posting about their background, their personal information or social media is not allowed.

Thanks to everyone here for trying to post accordingly through all this murkiness.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

IMPORTANT

PLEASE READ AND 'LIKE' THIS POST SO WE KNOW YOU HAVE READ IT.

Thread #66 remains pulled due to a recent influx of trolls. We may be able to get it reinstated in a couple of weeks.

Those individuals that we have been able to identify have been banned. There may be others who registered earlier and are waiting in the wings.

This new thread is for discussion only by our long term, veteran Websleuths members who have a sincere dedication to William's case.

As a result of this recent troll invasion we are not allowing new members to join in this discussion.

We are requesting that our trusted members Report posts by new members who join Websleuths after today to participate in William's thread. We will review the matter and deal with it accordingly.

Those whose goal is to incite conflict are not welcome at Websleuths.

Thank you to all our members who have been able to participate respectfully and responsibly in this discussion. We truly appreciate you.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[Tiff23fr]

Welcome to Thread #71 - Please continue here…..

 

[Detective Willy]

I still can’t believe after 7.5 years that the the carry through headline on thread 71 for this story is still that “there is a $1 Million reward for the person who ….. abducted William Tyrrell”? I believe that this “headline” needs to be changed as there is absolutely zero proof that William was abducted. This carry through headline is from 2016 and IMO needs to be updated to reflect the facts of the current day.

 

[JBowie]

Regarding the ABC's claim:

The charges against the 56-year-old woman, who cannot be identified, are in relation to evidence she gave during a hearing into William's disappearance ...

I have contacted them to ask on what factual basis Paige Cockburn made that claim. Let's see if they deign to answer me.

William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

The 56-year-old is accused of giving false evidence during a hearing into the disappearance of William Tyrrell from his foster grandmother's home in 2014.

www.abc.net.au

 

[LolaAngelina]

I still can’t believe after 7.5 years that the the carry through headline on thread 71 for this story is still that “there is a $1 Million reward for the person who ….. abducted William Tyrrell”? I believe that this “headline” needs to be changed as there is absolutely zero proof that William was abducted. This carry through headline is from 2016 and IMO needs to be updated to reflect the facts of the current day.

What facts would that be? We still don’t know what happened to him or who is responsible.

 

[SouthAussie]

I still can’t believe after 7.5 years that the the carry through headline on thread 71 for this story is still that “there is a $1 Million reward for the person who ….. abducted William Tyrrell”? I believe that this “headline” needs to be changed as there is absolutely zero proof that William was abducted. This carry through headline is from 2016 and IMO needs to be updated to reflect the facts of the current day.

I guess you could post the leading article that you want to see, right after a new thread is opened up. So it will be on the first page, right after the mod messages. (Just a suggestion.)

I can't even begin to imagine how much time it would take to change the leading articles on the hundreds of active WS threads - to have them all be "current" - each time a thread continues on to a new thread.

William's forum thread is special to us, but it is by no means the most special one here. They are all important to the people who are following them.

And I think the first post is there to give a reader some case history. imo

 

[KateM]

I just watched this video of the FGM's walk through with police again and the FGM describing the last time she saw William, before he ran around the corner where she says "He was full of life, full of energy, bouncing out of his skull with happiness and joy of LIVING". That doesn't sound like something you would say about a boy who had gone missing to me, but rather something you would say about a boy who had died. All in my opinion of course.

ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847423/William-Tyrrells-foster-mother-pleads-not-guilty-lying-secretive-crime-commission.html#v-3681467644722957883

 

[Doesitmakesense]

I just watched this video of the FGM's walk through with police again and the FGM describing thew last time she saw William, before he ran around the corner where she says "He was full of life, full of energy, bouncing out of his skull with happiness and joy of LIVING". That doesn't sound like something you would say about a boy who had gone missing to me, but rather something you would say about a boy who had died. All in my opinion of course.

ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847423/William-Tyrrells-foster-mother-pleads-not-guilty-lying-secretive-crime-commission.html#v-3681467644722957883

The FGM use of words during the walk through do come across peculiar given at that stage they are still searching for him

 

[k-mac]

I just watched this video of the FGM's walk through with police again and the FGM describing the last time she saw William, before he ran around the corner where she says "He was full of life, full of energy, bouncing out of his skull with happiness and joy of LIVING". That doesn't sound like something you would say about a boy who had gone missing to me, but rather something you would say about a boy who had died. All in my opinion of course.

ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847423/William-Tyrrells-foster-mother-pleads-not-guilty-lying-secretive-crime-commission.html#v-3681467644722957883

unconscious leakage. IMO

 

[KateM]

unconscious leakage. IMO

I agree.

 

[KateM]

I'm posting this article from Candace Sutton from the 15th August 2019 - Missing Boy William Tyrrell's Doomed Life, because it has such a detailed timeline leading up to and including the day that William 'disappeared'. I'm aware that this article would have been posted on this forum in the past.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/missing-boy-william-tyrrells-doomed-life/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba

 

[bearbear]

I'm posting this article from Candace Sutton from the 15th August 2019 - Missing Boy William Tyrrell's Doomed Life, because it has such a detailed timeline leading up to and including the day that William 'disappeared'. I'm aware that this article would have been posted on this forum in the past.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/missing-boy-william-tyrrells-doomed-life/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba

yes, ive also posted it a few times, its a good one to refer back to

 

[KateM]

Just listened again to the "One Last Roar" episode, from the "Where's William" podcast. When Lia is asked about William's sister re the day William disappeared her answer was brief and vague. The policewoman who interviewed William's sister asked her if William had any hiding places, to which the sister said not that she knew of and that she couldn't offer police any information to help them re that day. I find this quite odd. William's sister was 5 years old at the time he went missing. Why have we never heard exactly where she was at the precise moment he disappeared? There has been conflicting media reports regarding this. Why couldn't the sister say more about what she was doing just before William disappeared?

 

[Megnut]

Just listened again to the "One Last Roar" episode, from the "Where's William" podcast. When Lia is asked about William's sister re the day William disappeared her answer was brief and vague. The policewoman who interviewed William's sister asked her if William had any hiding places, to which the sister said not that she knew of and that she couldn't offer police any information to help them re that day. I find this quite odd. William's sister was 5 years old at the time he went missing. Why have we never heard exactly where she was at the precise moment he disappeared? There has been conflicting media reports regarding this. Why couldn't the sister say more about what she was doing just before William disappeared?

Perhaps the child's perception was deliberately manipulated.

To consider :

IF the timeline has been baubled, IF Wm went around the corner (at which time he met some manner of fatality) and the FFFC went that direction (perhaps keeping up the illusion that the mommy-monster game were continuing) (possibly escaping undetected in the the FFGma's car), before returning to the deck, calmly making tea, then making the statement about Wm being too quiet and heading around the corner (for the second time), compressing two events into one, Little Sister may have  perceived Wm disappearing as a relatively spontaneous event, as if Wm was there and then *poof* he was not, when in reality, 20-30 minutes may have elapsed, of which she was wholly unaware and of which, as a five year old, she'd have no way to quantify/qualify the passage of much or little time.

She might, however, be able to peel layers apart seven years later...

JMO

 

[LolaAngelina]

Just listened again to the "One Last Roar" episode, from the "Where's William" podcast. When Lia is asked about William's sister re the day William disappeared her answer was brief and vague. The policewoman who interviewed William's sister asked her if William had any hiding places, to which the sister said not that she knew of and that she couldn't offer police any information to help them re that day. I find this quite odd. William's sister was 5 years old at the time he went missing. Why have we never heard exactly where she was at the precise moment he disappeared? There has been conflicting media reports regarding this. Why couldn't the sister say more about what she was doing just before William disappeared?

It’s for her privacy and protection. She was 5, it isn’t necessary for the public to know everything she did and said. IMO police would have all information in regards to his sister.

 

[KateM]

It’s for her privacy and protection. She was 5, it isn’t necessary for the public to know everything she did and said. IMO police would have all information in regards to his sister.

I don't think that she said much at all to the police. I feel all along that she has been silenced...