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Police PR machine is a powerful thing. They like to get their message out there.
 
If you were on a jury now to decide whether BS did abduct William having only the evidence we know now, how would you all decide? I would have to find him innocent because the evidence is not good enough to find him guilty. The police have a long way to go before they can even think of charging him for William"s abduction. What would your decision be?
 
Great question. At this point in time, I agree, I would have to find him innocent.
louisepiglet said:
If you were on a jury now to decide whether BS did abduct William having only the evidence we know now, how would you all decide? I would have to find him innocent because the evidence is not good enough to find him guilty. The police have a long way to go before they can even think of charging him for William"s abduction. What would your decision be?
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Not guilty does not equal innocent. Not guilty means that the Crown was unable to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Never have I said I believe BS is innocent or guilty but happy to say I have no idea if he is guilty or innocent, I also have made no statements about anyone else having to believe in his innocence, the victims have clearly been molested but due to the situation surrounding the dysfunctional family and the Judge's comments about coaching by the mother and grandmother, I am not convinced that the 6 yo really knows who it was, 28 years later.
They are my thoughts at the present time.
Gosh, I have seen some very weird and amazing theories being put forward about bikie gangs, drugs, ped rings, FF involvement, bio family involvement, all kinds of theories, do I believe them? not at this time. There are so many unanswered questions.


blefuscu said:
This isn't a court of law it's a forum. I don't have to believe he is innocent. One of his victims has no memory, the one who was 6 does! And I believe her. Because little kids aged 3 and 6 don't lie about being abused when they have horrific injuries too.

You can believe he's innocent if you want. But there is a reason that NSW police have named him (and only him) as a person of interest and it's not for his washing machine plumbing skills!
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Definitely not guilty with what WE know, but it's almost not worth asking as we wouldn't know anywhere near as much as the police do, or even what a jury would be told (that still wouldn't get out into the press).
 
frogwell said:
Yeah you're right. I would find him not guilty, how about you?
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My sympathies lie with the victims. I do not consider a man who has enough against him for the DPP to bring charges for historical child sex crimes, and who has been named by police as a POI in William’s disappearance, a victim.

I have great admiration and respect for our police. Not so much for our courts and parole boards.

I think that says it all.
 
There has been a few things happening in Queensland lately (and historically) involving police that makes me feel I have little admiration for police anymore.
You also don't need to have much to be accused and arrested for crimes, as it's the Judge and jury who determine your guilt, just ask anyone who has been the victim of a wrongful charge.
At this point, I can't see a conviction for the abduction of the 3yo, nor can I see one for the historical charge, unless they produce more than the Judge had at the bail hearing.
SouthAussie said:
My sympathies lie with the victims. I do not consider a man who has enough against him for the DPP to bring charges for historical child sex crimes, and who has been named by police as a POI in William’s disappearance, a victim.

I have great admiration and respect for our police. Not so much for our courts and parole boards.

I think that says it all.
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SouthAussie said:
My sympathies lie with the victims. I do not consider a man who has enough against him for the DPP to bring charges for historical child sex crimes, and who has been named by police as a POI in William’s disappearance, a victim.

I have great admiration and respect for our police. Not so much for our courts and parole boards.


I think that says it all.
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If you were on a jury to decide on the guilt of BS in the abduction of William how would you find on the evidence we know of at this time? I think the reason the police have not charged him is because they know the evidence would not get a conviction. I am not saying that I think he IS innocent. Just that the police need more for a conviction and frankly, I don't think they have it. I think the best way for the police to proceed would be to offer a huge reward for information.
 
Can you, or someone, outline the evidence?

louisepiglet said:
If you were on a jury to decide on the guilt of BS in the abduction of William how would you find on the evidence we know of at this time? I think the reason the police have not charged him is because they know the evidence would not get a conviction. I am not saying that I think he IS innocent. Just that the police need more for a conviction and frankly, I don't think they have it. I think the best way for the police to proceed would be to offer a huge reward for information.
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louisepiglet said:
If you were on a jury to decide on the guilt of BS in the abduction of William how would you find on the evidence we know of at this time? I think the reason the police have not charged him is because they know the evidence would not get a conviction. I am not saying that I think he IS innocent. Just that the police need more for a conviction and frankly, I don't think they have it. I think the best way for the police to proceed would be to offer a huge reward for information.
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My opinion only, I don’t see any point in speculating about this. Spedding has not been charged yet in William’s disappearance. Obviously the DPP do not have enough to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, at this point in time.

Spedding has been charged with historical child sex crimes. The DPP are hoping they have enough to put him away for that.

I, unfortunately, think a lot like Bruce Morcombe in the article that KinderedSpirits just linked … and it makes me very sad.
 
Karo said:
Can you, or someone, outline the evidence?
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We don't know the evidence YET. It won't be presented until trial. IMO only enough to have him arrested has been presented, cards will be held tight until trial as we have seen on so many occasions.
 
I have been wondering about the historical charges. Would there be any physical evidence obtained during the medical examinations and if so, even though police did not pursue charges at the time, would that evidence be stored? BS willingly gave a DNA sample to police early on in their investigation of WT's disappearance.
 
There is no evidence that BS took William, he hasn't been arrested for that.

We don't know the evidence YET. It won't be presented until trial. IMO only enough to have him arrested has been presented, cards will be held tight until trial as we have seen on so many occasions.
 
I really do not know what to think in this case. I think the secrecy surrounding the foster family does not help. The allegations of child sexual abuse from the 1980s also seem strange. I am not saying they didnt happen because there was physical evidence but I cannot understand how a mother would not realise there was something wrong immediately. I know we do not know all the details but why didnt the six year old tell her mother immediately. Did BS threaten her? The fact the the girls uncle is in gaol for sexual assault of a child and murder is HUGE. The way the police hint at things also is strange. Mention of a paedophile gang by police but no further information. It is all so confusing and it makes me so angry that there are animals out there who think it is their right to hurt little children for their own sick pleasure. BRING WILLIAM HOME NOW.
 
Karo said:
There is no evidence that BS took William, he hasn't been arrested for that.
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I think we are all very aware of that. My comment is in regards to the historical charges that were the subject at the time.
 
louisepiglet said:
If you were on a jury now to decide whether BS did abduct William having only the evidence we know now, how would you all decide? I would have to find him innocent because the evidence is not good enough to find him guilty. The police have a long way to go before they can even think of charging him for William"s abduction. What would your decision be?
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Really hard to say because we don't have all the facts. I just get a bit sus when he's around the day wt goes missing. The wt case and the historical allegations when dealt with separately, I'd be much more willing to say innocent. But when you put the two together? Not so sure
 
My comments were in relation to this post.

If you were on a jury to decide on the guilt of BS in the abduction of William how would you find on the evidence we know of at this time? I think the reason the police have not charged him is because they know the evidence would not get a conviction. I am not saying that I think he IS innocent. Just that the police need more for a conviction and frankly, I don't think they have it. I think the best way for the police to proceed would be to offer a huge reward for information.
 
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