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Anonamouse said:
Very interesting on both accounts.

If the FF are moving overseas and taking LT with them then IMO she has been either adopted or they have a permanent foster ( ward of the state) if there was any chance KT would get LT back they would never allow that .

Maybe there is a real risk of LT being abducted in Australia ?
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I don't think this is a move overseas, it could just be a holiday. There have been OS holidays with the children previously.
 
Karo said:
FGM didn't have grandchildren in her care so that seems unlikely, imo.
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Unlikely that FGM would have known a female member of GAPA? IMO that would have been unlikely given her standing in the community and the demographics of the area.
 
sleepinoz said:
I don't think this is a move overseas, it could just be a holiday. There have been OS holidays with the children previously.
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But would KT be upset with L just having a holiday overseas? I don't think so .
 
Our focus has been primarily on male members of GAPA, but my thoughts were more along the lines of
females that may have had a link with Williams crime.

Yes FGM had extensive involvement in several community groups which apparently the Wilsons took over one when grandma dealt with death of grandpa.

Bohemian said:
Unlikely that FGM would not have known a female member of GAPA? iMO that would have been unlikely given her standing in the community and the demographics of the area.
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crabstick said:
Did GAPA have female members? Putting aside all any of the other accusations.
Who were members of GAPA being non male? Is it another potential connection apart from the Wellington fridge and scrappy mob?
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Bohemian said:
Yes, from memory the next President of GAPA (after PB) was a woman, ie; Ann Battishall and Merilyn O'Neill was 'president of the [GAPA?] breakaway group':

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/2cf5bb61e3c9a22ef6b499aff77f19cd

I don't have a copy of the member's list but, no doubt, there would have been other female GAPA members. It certainly is another valid avenue to explore regarding possible connections to William's FGM.
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crabstick said:
Sorry, I was implying female relationships (people knowing people) through GAPA ????
Female GAPA members aka grandmas knowing male members that could be associated with this crime?

Also to add FGP had funeral, house for sale, they knew Williams last visit was coming.
There was adoption processes in place?????
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I thought I answered the questions you posed adequately, crabby, given that I don't have access to any members' lists of GAPA's or the breakaway group's and their web presence has all but been removed. The only two people who were GAPA members and named as POIs in William's disappearance by MSM are AJ and PB. I don't know if their partners were also GAPA members. I don't know if grandparents' groups were involved in a conspiracy to kidnap William. If I knew who took William and why, he would be at home with his family and I would have $1M in my hot little hand to donate to children's and animals' protection charities.
 
crabstick said:
Our focus has been primarily on male members of GAPA, but my thoughts were more along the lines of
females that may have had a link with Williams crime.

Yes FGM had extensive involvement in several community groups which apparently the Wilsons took over one when grandma dealt with death of grandpa.
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That's true, crabby. It's not impossible that a woman (or women) may have had some involvement in William's abduction; especially if he was acquainted with them through his FGM. Kids of William's age (and even older) think if you're 'friends' (ie; acquainted/neighbours) with their Nana, Granddad, Mum, Dad, Uncle, Auntie, or whomsoever they trust, then they are their 'friends' too. Hence the amount of children able to be groomed and abused by this type of perpetrator.
 
heres some old gapa news articles with some names and photos etc......

GAPA Mid-North Coast president Paul Bickford said there were about 100 grandparents raising their grandchildren in the region.

“I’m fighting to preserve the allowance, but more importantly, I’m fighting for the children, because it’s them who are going to suffer.”
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1015497/why-nan-graham-is-girls-best-of-kin/

Paul Bickford's our No.1 senior volunteer

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1012991/paul-bickfords-our-no1-senior-volunteer

http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au/story/2278022/quilters-stitch-to-support-grandparents/

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1017233/why-denise-and-les-graham-are-smiling/

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1013751/nan-and-pop-pain-over-carer-allowance-threat/
 
'The horrific list of charges only cemented my belief that he was the true meaning of a misogynistic, condescending, egotistical (barely) human being.' Jones' white station wagon was seized by police for forensic examination last year, but provided no clues for police, according to reports.
Jones was also a member of the social group Grandparents As Parents Again (GAPA), which police allege concealed a paedophile ring.

 
bearbear said:
heres some old gapa news articles with some names and photos etc......

GAPA Mid-North Coast president Paul Bickford said there were about 100 grandparents raising their grandchildren in the region.

“I’m fighting to preserve the allowance, but more importantly, I’m fighting for the children, because it’s them who are going to suffer.”
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1015497/why-nan-graham-is-girls-best-of-kin/

Paul Bickford's our No.1 senior volunteer

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1012991/paul-bickfords-our-no1-senior-volunteer

http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au/story/2278022/quilters-stitch-to-support-grandparents/

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1017233/why-denise-and-les-graham-are-smiling/

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/1013751/nan-and-pop-pain-over-carer-allowance-threat/
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Thanks bb x Is their original website back up too?
 
Bohemian said:
I thought I answered the questions you posed adequately, crabby, given that I don't have access to any members' lists of GAPA's or the breakaway group's and their web presence has all but been removed. The only two people who were GAPA members and named as POIs in William's disappearance by MSM are AJ and PB. I don't know if their partners were also GAPA members. I don't know if grandparents' groups were involved in a conspiracy to kidnap William. If I knew who took William and why, he would be at home with his family and I would have $1M in my hot little hand to donate to children's and animals' protection charities.
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BBM

Old post
08-25-2016 - thread 23 - post 74

Changing the subject, sorry.

I remember reading this ages ago and have only just come across it again.
Printed in 2012 pg 6
http://www.cotansw.com.au/MediaPDFs/...g-Resource.pdf

Grandparents as Parents Again (GAPA) – North Coast
GAPA was formed by Uniting Care Burnside Hastings Family Support Centre and the Port
Macquarie Evening Branch of the Country Women’s Association of NSW. It is now a fully
independent association operating in the NSW north coast region. GAPA is dedicated to
helping grandparents and families provide a safe and loving environment in which children
can grow. All grandparents are welcome to join GAPA. You do not need to be providing full
time care for your grandchildren.

May 13, 2014 -
Hundreds of hours of meticulous stitching by members of River City Community Quilters (RCCQ) has created a quilt that will be raffled to support grandparents who care for their grandchildren full-time.
http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au/...-grandparents/

So did/do you actually need to have the full time care of grandchild to become a member?
Or does a fortnightly visit for example allow you to join the group?

That article now removed from the web, as you say Bo.

http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/154326
Chris Smith and Dan Nolan
CS - What is this group about?
DN - The group comes about from a point of goodness ..trying to help each other. Something has gone wrong with their own kids and they have had to step in and fill the void.........................
CS- So not grandparents that want to be parents again but are parents again ...

I am a little confused as to the membership requirements.
imo
 
bearbear said:
'The horrific list of charges only cemented my belief that he was the true meaning of a misogynistic, condescending, egotistical (barely) human being.' Jones' white station wagon was seized by police for forensic examination last year, but provided no clues for police, according to reports.
Jones was also a member of the social group Grandparents As Parents Again (GAPA), which police allege concealed a paedophile ring.

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It makes me wonder more about GAPA though...it did seem they had a lot of male members as committee members. I could be wrong but would have thought that there would have been a lot of female members in a group like that. Maybe even MS herself?? As they actually were her grandkids.
 
Anonamouse said:
Very interesting on both accounts.

If the FF are moving overseas and taking LT with them then IMO she has been either adopted or they have a permanent foster ( ward of the state) if there was any chance KT would get LT back they would never allow that .

Maybe there is a real risk of LT being abducted in Australia ?
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Are we talking FPs though? Do they still have LT? Or is she with another foster family or bio family member now? I don't know anything, just asking the question.
 
Exactly my point, a GAPA woman who had a GAPA member kidnap, or along those lines. Kidnapping connections through GAPA.
Bohemian said:
That's true, crabby. It's not impossible that a woman (or women) may have had some involvement in William's abduction; especially if he was acquainted with them through his FGM. Kids of William's age (and even older) think if you're 'friends' (ie; acquainted/neighbours) with their Nana, Granddad, Mum, Dad, Uncle, Auntie, or whomsoever they trust, then they are their 'friends' too. Hence the amount of children able to be groomed and abused by this type of perpetrator.
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louisepiglet said:
By her bio mother
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I mean where are you getting the info from? The source. Social media?

ETA for clarity I'll explain what I'm getting at. The police and MSM have always referred to the FPs as William's parents and as his family and his home. I think that's meaningful.

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If NC knew KL back then . . . which we don't know . . . then maybe her son knew the Jones mob too. What if BC or NC dobbed in or gave evidence against TJ? Abduction of a child/grandchild as retaliation?
 
Wexford said:
Are we talking FPs though? Do they still have LT? Or is she with another foster family or bio family member now? I don't know anything, just asking the question.
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Yes the FP defiantly still have LT. They have had her for about 4 1/2 years .

AJ must be due for parole this month .
 
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