Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #44

[Coldpizza]

William Tyrrell: ‘One million reasons’ to come forward over toddler’s abduction
7:29pm September 12, 2016

A $1 million reward, the largest in New South Wales history, has been announced for information that leads to the arrest of the person who abducted missing toddler William Tyrrell, or for the boy’s safe return or recovery.

William, then aged three, went missing from the backyard of his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the state's mid-north coast, on September 12, 2014.

[...]

"You’re in a much better position if you come to us than if we come to you."

Det. Insp. Jubelin also said the investigation was "a long way" from going to a coronial inquest, and that police did not believe William's family were involved.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW. YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT IS OUTLINED OR YOU WILL BE TIMED OUT OR BANNED!!!!

Thanks to DrSleuth for your help in writing up the information needed for the discussion.

Here is what we can and cannot discuss.

No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.

Prior to the coronial inquest, the bio families could be identified, but it was overturned by the coroner for the inquest.

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Thread #43 - Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #43

 

[Tricia]

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW. YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT IS OUTLINED OR YOU WILL BE TIMED OUT OR BANNED!!!!

Thanks to DrSleuth for your help in writing up the information needed for the discussion.

Here is what we can and cannot discuss.

No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.


Prior to the coronial inquest, the bio families could be identified, but it was overturned by the coroner for the inquest.

I am very sorry it took me so long to open this thread back up. Please keep in mind we are short handed so if this thread starts to get out of control with alerts we will have to close it again.
Please do not hesitate to alert but make sure the alert is truly needed. We have experienced a lot of tit for tat alerts and that makes me foam at the mouth, grow hair on my hands and my teeth turn into fangs. In other words please be sure when you post you are posting within our terms of service.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[Tricia]

I will keep posting the information as soon as we are certain everyone understands who they cannot identify. One more time:
No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussing William's case here.

Thread reply bans are in place for members who have made personal attacks against other members and for members who insinuate the foster family either have involvement or are covering up.

 

[SouthAussie]

Laura Beacroft didn’t seem to know much , just a lot of I don’t knows, I can’t explains, not her fault . Just seems a total lack of communication

Laura Beacroft probably wasn't the person who should have been asked about the clear line of sight - in a photo that was stuck in front of her face.
I think some of these questions need to be directed at Laidlaw, when he gets on the stand.

And if he flounders, maybe they will think about asking the person who knows ... Jubes.

We have even found what looks like a clear line of sight, ourselves, without even visiting the property.

 

[1968]

Re BS trial.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Mr O’Brien told the court that the accusations which Spedding now faces have been previously investigated and Mr Spedding was cleared.

"The Crown case is not a strong one," Mr O'Brien.

Mr O'Brien said the allegations were made amid "a hothouse of suspicion" and "sinister overtones", and that there was "an atmosphere" of "coaching and tutoring" the young girls that Spedding was "a naughty man who did bad things."

A concerted effort (was made) to have allegations this man is a sexual molester of children," Mr O'Brien said.

"(There is evidence) they have been tutored to say this man did it." Prosecutors have opposed bail.

 

[1968]

Laura Beacroft probably wasn't the person who should have been asked about the clear line of sight - in a photo that was stuck in front of her face.
I think some of these questions need to be directed at Laidlaw, when he gets on the stand.

And if he flounders, maybe they will think about asking the person who knows ... Jubes.

We have even found what looks like a clear line of sight, ourselves, without even visiting the property.

The coroner has presumably visited the site - I think I saw some footage with Jubelin.

I don’t get why they are labouring this point.
There IS potentially line of sight. One property does have a view of the other. We don’t know if PS may have had binoculars to watch goings on?

He seemed very interested in Williams behaviour at the Xmas party - describing him as ‘following’ the FD around.

In my experience at those types of events
elderly men are often engrossed in conversation with other adults and don’t pay too much attention to the rug rats unless directly introduced to them.

How many of us when asked would remember what small child barely known to us was doing at a Xmas party 9 months before?

If Jubes is suss on this guy then it’s cause he’s given him a reason. He’s possibly even said something to Jubelin when the conversation wasn’t being recorded - and in an attempt to catch him out, Jubes recorded some further conversations.

IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

The coroner has presumably visited the site - I think I saw some footage with Jubelin.

I don’t get why they are labouring this point.
There IS potentially line of sight. One property does have a view of the other. We don’t know if PS may have had binoculars to watch goings on?

He seemed very interested in Williams behaviour at the Xmas party - describing him as ‘following’ the FD around.

In my experience at those types of events
elderly men are often engrossed in conversation with other adults and don’t pay too much attention to the rug rats unless directly introduced to them.

How many of us when asked would remember what small child barely known to us was doing at a Xmas party 9 months before?

If Jubes is suss on this guy then it’s cause he’s given him a reason. He’s possibly even said something to Jubelin when the conversation wasn’t being recorded - and in an attempt to catch him out, Jubes recorded some further conversations.

IMO.

Yes, I thought that was strange, too. The way Savage commented about William adoring his FD and following him around.

It does sound as if Savage has changed his story. Maybe he changed it with Jubes as well?

In his statement he spoke of first going across to the opposite side of the road from FGM's place (presumably the wooded lot across from FGM where there is now a house) to look for William.
At the inquest he spoke of first going up the hill. I recall him also saying about going up the hill, in the media, a long time ago.

In his statement he said nothing about hearing from FGM that a cup of tea was made, and then William was discovered missing.
At the inquest he spoke of FGM telling him those details, that morning.


A Kendall resident's initial account to police of what happened on the day William Tyrrell disappeared, differs to what a coronial inquest heard on Tuesday.
Neighbour's recollection of events questioned at Tyrrell inquest

 

[bearbear]

The coroner has presumably visited the site - I think I saw some footage with Jubelin.

I don’t get why they are labouring this point.
There IS potentially line of sight. One property does have a view of the other. We don’t know if PS may have had binoculars to watch goings on?

He seemed very interested in Williams behaviour at the Xmas party - describing him as ‘following’ the FD around.

In my experience at those types of events
elderly men are often engrossed in conversation with other adults and don’t pay too much attention to the rug rats unless directly introduced to them.

How many of us when asked would remember what small child barely known to us was doing at a Xmas party 9 months before?

If Jubes is suss on this guy then it’s cause he’s given him a reason. He’s possibly even said something to Jubelin when the conversation wasn’t being recorded - and in an attempt to catch him out, Jubes recorded some further conversations.

IMO.

it does seem strange hes noticed and mentioned several things about william and makes him look suss but maybe its because he knew they were foster children and special so was curious about them and their relationship with the ff and noticed little things, i would possibly take a discreet interest of how a ff related to children in their care and if the children were happy or yelled at etc so it could just be that, or because william was such a gorgeous little boy full of life and excitement?

 

[Puggle]

Apologize again....


Just a fly in n out as I haven't been able to follow this on a daily basis...so my random comment may be out of context of current discussion.



Just read some transcript of the proceddings that a Mr Gordon Weilgold has given evidence to back up/collaborate that Mr Spedding was at the school assembly.


My heart jumped!!


June 2015 I found a old internet search engine that showed facebook pages/friends lists.



Mr William Spedding and Mr Gordon Weilgold were previous friends - Prior to little William going missing. But not friends after.


Anyone can make of that info what they will....simply putting it out there.


The old search engine that I connected their association was called profileengine.com


It.. .the link no longer seems to work.


I have passed this info onto Carolyn Overton??? Think thats her name.


But if any of this rings bells for anyone...try n do you best to send it out there to anyone you think may be interested/connected.. to get it noticed.


You cant have only one person say you were there...if their friend.


Surely you need an unbiased..non friend/acquaintance to say you were there??

 

[sosocurious]

William Tyrrell inquest witness Paul Savage grilled in court after changing his story

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-22/william-tyrrell-witness-paul-savage-gives-inconsistent-testimony/11438032

 

[kiwi50]

Apologize again....


Just a fly in n out as I haven't been able to follow this on a daily basis...so my random comment may be out of context of current discussion.



Just read some transcript of the proceddings that a Mr Gordon Weilgold has given evidence to back up/collaborate that Mr Spedding was at the school assembly.


My heart jumped!!


June 2015 I found a old internet search engine that showed facebook pages/friends lists.



Mr William Spedding and Mr Gordon Weilgold were previous friends - Prior to little William going missing. But not friends after.


Anyone can make of that info what they will....simply putting it out there.


The old search engine that I connected their association was called profileengine.com


It.. .the link no longer seems to work.


I have passed this info onto Carolyn Overton??? Think thats her name.


But if any of this rings bells for anyone...try n do you best to send it out there to anyone you think may be interested/connected.. to get it noticed.


You cant have only one person say you were there...if their friend.


Surely you need an unbiased..non friend/acquaintance to say you were there??

Great catch puggle, hope someone can get it to Lia Harris too.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Good afternoon everyone. I'll get onto posting the tweets straight away. We've just returned from lunch apparently but I'll post all tweets for the day.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The inquest has resumed in Taree with neighbour Paul Savage back in the witness box. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court heard Mr Savage “checked some drains at the top of Benaroon Drive” in his initial search for William. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Gerard Craddock SC tells the court checking the drains was “not a detail he gave police” during his interviews. “Is your memory a bit cloudy as to some of these aspects now?” he asked. Mr Savage said yes. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court heard Mr Savage made another phone call at 10.41am after his wife left for bingo to an x-ray business to arrange an appointment. He tells the court he does not remember making that call. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court heard it was shortly after that phone call that Anne-Marie came to his door to tell him a little boy was missing. He then went to the foster grandmother’s house to “see what was going on”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Mr Savage told the court he doesn’t remember hearing anyone calling out William’s name. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Craddock SC tells the court witnesses saw and heard the foster father frantically calling out William’s name around this time. “You say you didn’t hear any of that?” He asked. Mr Savage answered no he didn’t. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court heard Mr Savage had a short conversation with the foster grandmother and briefly saw the foster father inside the house. He tells the court he can’t remember seeing him crying and upset, despite saying in a previous statement that he was. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Craddock asked if he locked the house and turned the radio off when he went to speak to the foster grandmother. Mr Savage said he didn’t because he expected his brother in law and his wife to arrive sometime that day. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court heard Mr Savage claimed he ran into Mr and Mrs Crabb shortly after he began searching, but they don’t recall seeing him. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court is now being shown a map off the bushland around Benaroon Drive which Mr Savage has marked where he claimed to have walked while searching. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The map shows a loop from the top of Benaroon Drive, along the fire trail and through the bush back to where Mr Savage lives. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court is now being shown the map of where Mr Savage does his morning walk, which is a much larger loop around the bushland. Craddock told the court his search route was “much smaller” than his usual walk. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Craddock SC asks how long he took to do that small loop while searching. He answered “he can’t remember” but thinks “at least half an hour to 45 minutes”. His much larger walking route normally takes him 2 hours. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The court is now being shown a video taken when police asked him to re-enact what he did that day. Two female detectives, including Laura Beacroft, can be seen in the video along with Mr Savage. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The video was taken on September 20, 2017. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
He confirms to the detectives in the video that his participation in the walkthrough is voluntary. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Mr Savage is asked to tell detectives exactly where he was when he saw the foster parents car across the road on the Thursday night before William disappeared. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
Mr Savage walked out of his house and up towards the street across his front lawn, pointing towards the foster grandmother’s house where he claimed he saw the foster parents car parked in the driveway. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4h4 hours ago
The video has stopped working so the court has again been adjourned for a short break. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

 

[sosocurious]

Detectives spent hours making pensioner recreate movements on the day William Tyrrell vanished

William Tyrrell neighbour spent hours on walk-through with police

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 3h3 hours ago
The inquest has heard a total of 50 minutes worth of testimony in the past two days. A frustrating wait for all the parties involved who have travelled to be here. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Well over an hour later, the inquest has now resumed with Mr Savage continuing his testimony. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
The court is again being shown the video of Mr Savage walking detectives through his movements. Craddock points out his car in the garage and asks about the luggage compartment in the car. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
He asked specifically if there was anything covering the luggage area in the car that would prevent anything inside from being seen through the window. Mr Savage said there was not. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
He points out the camper van also parked in the garage and asked if that was there the day William went missing. Mr Savage said he thinks it would have been. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Craddock then points out that Mr Savage previously claimed his wife’s car was also parked in the garage. “If the camper was in there... that means your car must’ve been out of the garage” he asks. Mr savage confirmed it “must’ve been”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
He shows detectives the small verandah where he had tea and toast the morning William disappeared. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
The detectives ask him to retrace his steps after he arrived home from his morning walk the day William disappeared. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Craddock stops the video and clarifies he arrived home about 8.50am from the morning walk. “Did you see the children at number 48 Benaroon drive?” He asks. Mr Savage answered no. “Did you hear them?”. He answered no. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Savage tells detectives in the video he knew his wife was home when he arrived home from his walk because the front door was open. He tells them he didn’t see or hear anyone on the street. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Mr Savage tells detectives he doesn’t recall seeing the foster parents car in the driveway at 48 Benaroon Drive when he arrived home from his walk. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Craddock asked Mr Savage about the swimming pool that used to be on his property. He asked if it was removed before William disappeared. Savage replied “I couldn’t swear to it but yes I think so.” @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Mr Savage told detectives he had nothing planned that day. Craddock stopped the tape to clarify whether he was expecting a visit from his brother in law and his wife. He replied “I’d forgotten about it if I had”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Detectives ask Mr Savage to walk them through in detail how he made his tea and toast that morning. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Detectives present him with the phone records from that morning made from his home phone. They ask him to explain each call. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Mr Savage told detectives he knew the day before that he would be going to Casino the day William disappeared to pick up his brother from hospital. He said his wife also knew he would be doing that. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
The detectives ask Mr Savage to sit on his verandah in the spot he would’ve had his breakfast that morning, overlooking Benaroon Drive. “Can you remember if Heather was our here with you that morning?” The detective asked. He replied he can’t remember. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
He tells detectives he heard children playing while he was sitting there. He points in the direction of 48 Benaroon Drive. He tells them it was “just a squeal, laugh, kids playing... I’d say there was two (children)”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Craddock stops the tape and asks “were you able to see the children when you went out the door?”. Mr Savage replied no. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Mr Savage told the court he usually sat out there for “around half an hour” every morning. The court heard that “might take you up to about 9.30am”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2h2 hours ago
Craddock asked “did you hear the children all of that time?”. “I remember hearing the kids...I’m pretty sure Heather was there because I think I said it’s good to hear the kids playing,” he told the court. He can’t remember how long he heard them for. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 1h1 hour ago
The hearing has now been suspended for a lunch break. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 19m19 minutes ago
The hearing has resumed. Mr Savage is being asked on the video about whether his memory of the children was clear. He responds he clearly remembers hearing them playing, but can’t say for sure if Heather was with him. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 17m17 minutes ago
Mr Savage is asked if he can see “the big yard” at William’s foster grandmother’s property from where he was sitting. He tells them he can’t see it. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 14m14 minutes ago
Mr Savage told detectives in the video he didn’t know his brother in law and his wife would be visiting that day. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 13m13 minutes ago
Detectives asked him if the sound of the children playing was “frustrating because it was loud”. He denies that it frustrated him. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 9m9 minutes ago
Craddock stopped the tape to clarify why he told detectives in the video he didn’t know his brother in law and his wife were coming to visit. He said it was his best recollection. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 9m9 minutes ago
Savage takes the detectives back inside and turns the radio on loud, which is what he claims to have done that morning. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 5m5 minutes ago
Craddock stops the tape and asks if Mr Savage was “hard of hearing” at the time, referring to the volume of the radio. He tells the court he was. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2m2 minutes ago


Mr Savage told detectives he thought Heather was on the phone that morning, but detectives told him phone records don’t include a phone call made by her form any of their phones. @10NewsFirst @10Daily