Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[Eloise]

I think I know where you are heading with this, it has crossed my mind too that PERHAPS and just my opinion that the bio parents may have been in Kendall or known someone in Kendal who could grab WT ?? Perhaps he is still alive and hidden somewhere. In saying all the thought, why didn't they also get his sister?

the bios were basically the first suspects. Police were sent to their house to look for him before his being missing was even in the media. Practically before he could even make it back from Kendall to Sydney. So... no.

 

[organised_chaos]

Can you explain how this gives them more time to plan ?
Are you suggesting FP are planning that night to kill

One of the other theories I was following here was that this was premeditated. The motive being to remove WT to have access to the sister. So, this would mean having plenty of time to plan and make sure all the dots are connected. With the McDonalds footage - I am thinking 'why go inside at that time of night?' Why not the drive through? Most people would stop and get dinner and stretch their legs especially with little kids. But, they were only there 10 minutes (according to the news articles). the kids didn't play on the playground, they ordered, they ate, and then they left. There was a stop (before or after this McDonalds stop) whereby the FM put pull-up nappies on the kids. Can someone fact check that please? It was mentioned many threads ago.

I am just thinking - why not go through the drive through and pull up the car to eat in the car park, or serve the meal to the kids in their carseats and keep travelling? Especially with little kids who are probably getting grizzly and whiney by that time. Feed them, go to the loo, and then hit the road to get to grannies. Then I was thinking - well the image of the 'happy' family would have been caught on camera inside the restaurant (and not so much in the drive-thru). WT on Dad's shoulders. Everyone holding hands and standing close together. The happy family stopping for a meal and performing for the camera. JMO MOO IMO

The CCTV stills show William's foster mother and father taking him to the Heatherbrae McDonald's restaurant, north of Newcastle, about 6:30pm on Thursday September 11, 2014.

William can be seen sitting on his foster father's shoulders.

The group orders a meal at the counter and sits to eat for about 10 minutes before leaving

taken from: Missing child William Tyrrell captured on camera day before disappearance

 

[PolyDot]

They are just better at hiding abuse/DV

Women's shelter to cater for demand in just one of Sydney's wealthy suburbs lacking vital services
When Marie* took her children to tennis lessons, closing her front door behind her, it was the last time she would see her Mosman home.

The 34-year-old was wife to a Sydney lawyer who mentally and physically abused her, wielding custody, deportation and death threats to silence his victim. Her decision to leave – masquerading as a routine trip to tennis – was prompted by the escalation of violence towards their children.

Mary's House in North Sydney, set to open in June, will deliver vital services to a "black spot" of domestic violence facilities in some of Australia's wealthiest suburbs, where stories such as Marie's are not unusual.

"Domestic violence doesn't respect postcodes, it isn't associated with any particular socio-economic status, cultural group or demographic,"
The Sydney Morning Herald

Violence to women always involves violence to children ,
Put the poi is a woman in this case

 

[Gotta have Faith]

I reckon the pressure is on. I think WA police handling of CS case and amazing police work has put spotlight on this case. I remember reading references to William Tyrrell still missing whilst they were still looking for CS

Agreed ! I think a lot of this is about how the CS case was handled with a positive outcome

 

[ollijack]

Poor thing. What a horrible way to grow up - to have to keep such a big secret from everyone else in her life. From personal experience, having family secrets feels just awful for a child. And now she *(apparently, from my reading of the media only)* has been taken from the only parents she has really ever known (ie the FPs), because they have hurt her!! IMO, there were 2 victims 12/9/14, WT and LT.

*edit

Totally agree. Poor dear little lady.

 

[Trmtrm2]

Wasn't WT removed from his mother when they were at a video shop in Ryde? From memory, I always wanted to know how they knew the perents were at the dvd shop who could of given the tip off? Who also gave the tip off about the perents being back together, I wonder at what point were the FF told about the sister when did they get her and when did WT come into the picture how did it all came together and why they were told that a 7month old baby will be surrender by its mother when that was never going to be the case, how can the department act on a tip off that the mother is back in a relationship with the father and order his removal how would there be any proof that the mother was back with the farther until the day that the police caught them together and actually removed WT,

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Yes, I was digging on a similar theory a little while ago. LT was put 'in charge' of WT and that this could be seen as negligence and that the time of disappearing was a whole longer as no one actually knew.

Yes! FGM or FM may have gone for a lie down, watched t.v., used the laptop inside the house, the list is endless of what they could've been doing while LT and WT were out on the patio. It's not good but it's not accidental death/disposal/cover up in 96 minutes theory. jmo

 

[Random-me]

I just don't get the 'planned murder' vibe tbh. I feel if it involves them, it was accidental by someone at the house at the time and it was covered up to protect anyone involved.

 

[Waverider]

But really , would you lie about that , what’s worse -would you hate being seen as a bad mother even if it hinders your kid being found

When considering these possibilities, I think one has to remember that not everyone thinks in the same way, or how a ‘reasonable’ person would. For example, highly narcissistic people will try to convey the image of perfection at all costs to avoid the abject pain of thinking of themselves as a failure. This disordered thinking has been established well and truly in childhood and the person is not aware that other people think differently or that this is ‘abnormal’. I’m not saying this is the case here, but I wanted to highlight that there are many psychological profiles whereby the person will not prioritise as the majority do.

 

[stormyseas]

New William Tyrrell ‘witness’ steps up during Kendall creek search | Daily Telegraph

An elderly man has stopped and spoken to a detective at the site of the current dig to say he saw something dumped from a vehicle on the morning William disappeared.

Shown a picture of a vehicle of interest the man said: “I’m pretty sure that’s the car I saw.”
“Who was driving, I don’t know,” he added. “It’s only a theory.”

What??? He recalls seeing someone dump something from a car on the morning of WT’s disappearance and he only thinks to tell police 7 years later!!

 

[PolyDot]

One of the other theories I was following here was that this was premeditated. The motive being to remove WT to have access to the sister. So, this would mean having plenty of time to plan and make sure all the dots are connected. With the McDonalds footage - I am thinking 'why go inside at that time of night?' Why not the drive through? Most people would stop and get dinner and stretch their legs especially with little kids. But, they were only there 10 minutes (according to the news articles). the kids didn't play on the playground, they ordered, they ate, and then they left. There was a stop (before or after this McDonalds stop) whereby the FM put pull-up nappies on the kids. Can someone fact check that please? It was mentioned many threads ago.

I am just thinking - why not go through the drive through and pull up the car to eat in the car park, or serve the meal to the kids in their carseats and keep travelling? Especially with little kids who are probably getting grizzly and whiney by that time. Feed them, go to the loo, and then hit the road to get to grannies. Then I was thinking - well the image of the 'happy' family would have been caught on camera inside the restaurant (and not so much in the drive-thru). WT on Dad's shoulders. Everyone holding hands and standing close together. The happy family stopping for a meal and performing for the camera. JMO MOO IMO

A stop at MacDonald seems pretty normal to me … maybe they were a happy family … I am really struggling to see this was a planned murder with both parents in on it … that would be highly unlikely I would think ,, if you were going to do that there would be other ways ..
I can buy that it was accidental at the hands of FP but that is just ?. I am a bit flummoxed

 

[EllaN1]

Violence to women always involves violence to children ,
Put the poi is a woman in this case

I know, but I just wanted to highlight that violence is everywhere even in the wealthiest postcodes of Australia

 

[organised_chaos]

Yes! FGM or FM may have gone for a lie down, watched t.v., used the laptop inside the house, the list is endless of what they could've been doing while LT and WT were out on the patio. It's not good but it's not accidental death/disposal/cover up in 96 minutes theory. jmo

and perhaps she was sleeping off a valium (not saying she had one that morning - maybe took hours earlier) or something (a few drinks) and this would have made her look even more negligent. Someone said that it sounded like she was ordering a pizza (I think it was Pink), this might explain why her voice sounded quite 'even' or monotone? JMO MOO IMO

 

[PolyDot]

What??? He recalls seeing someone dump something from a car on the morning of WT’s disappearance and he only thinks to tell police 7 years later!!

Very odd ,! , so does he live in neighbourhood ? Was he not door knocked in early days ? …. does he just want media attention ?

 

[Estelle]

I wonder about this too. In the "Where's William Tyrell?" podcast the foster parents talk about how LT had to keep it secret from daycare, and later school, that she was William's sister. This, they said, was to ensure being the sister of a high profile missing child did not impact her own identity. Keeping such a huge part of her identity and history secret would have made it hard for LT to develop genuine and trusting relationships with her peers and other adults in her life. She may have had to lie about lots of things to keep this part of her life secret.
I wonder how far this "keeping secrets" could have been manipulated. Was she too afraid to tell anyone about any abuse until now?

This touched my heart when I read it.

October 8, 2020

"A recording of William’s sister, who is now 10, was played to the court.

“I hope this speech makes you solve the case,” she said in the recording, clearly and confidently.

“If it doesn’t, when I’m officially an adult I’ll be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and won’t give up until he’s found.”

She described William as only an older sister can: “a loving, kind, sweet boy who was annoying at times”.

“But the day he disappeared we lost everything,” she said. “We lost my innocent brother.”

“He now needs to be found so please help our family but most of all help me find our precious William.”

Sister of missing William vows to find him

 

[Waverider]

One of the other theories I was following here was that this was premeditated. The motive being to remove WT to have access to the sister. So, this would mean having plenty of time to plan and make sure all the dots are connected. With the McDonalds footage - I am thinking 'why go inside at that time of night?' Why not the drive through? Most people would stop and get dinner and stretch their legs especially with little kids. But, they were only there 10 minutes (according to the news articles). the kids didn't play on the playground, they ordered, they ate, and then they left. There was a stop (before or after this McDonalds stop) whereby the FM put pull-up nappies on the kids. Can someone fact check that please? It was mentioned many threads ago.

I am just thinking - why not go through the drive through and pull up the car to eat in the car park, or serve the meal to the kids in their carseats and keep travelling? Especially with little kids who are probably getting grizzly and whiney by that time. Feed them, go to the loo, and then hit the road to get to grannies. Then I was thinking - well the image of the 'happy' family would have been caught on camera inside the restaurant (and not so much in the drive-thru). WT on Dad's shoulders. Everyone holding hands and standing close together. The happy family stopping for a meal and performing for the camera. JMO MOO IMO

The CCTV stills show William's foster mother and father taking him to the Heatherbrae McDonald's restaurant, north of Newcastle, about 6:30pm on Thursday September 11, 2014.

William can be seen sitting on his foster father's shoulders.

The group orders a meal at the counter and sits to eat for about 10 minutes before leaving

taken from: Missing child William Tyrrell captured on camera day before disappearance

Could be neat freaks not wanting to get food all over the car?

 

[Gotta have Faith]

many years
A new witness could very well be someone whose loyalties have changed after FGM’s death.
In NZ when the police are appealing for information in very old cases, they often stress “peoples loyalties change” Inferring someone you gave an alibi or protected many year’s ago, no longer applies and its safe for you to speak up.

Maybe FA in jail told someone something?

 

[organised_chaos]

A stop at MacDonald seems pretty normal to me … maybe they were a happy family … I am really struggling to see this was a planned murder with both parents in on it … that would be highly unlikely I would think ,, if you were going to do that there would be other ways ..
I can buy that it was accidental at the hands of FP but that is just ?. I am a bit flummoxed

JMO remember I find it strange to take little kids who would normally be in bed at that time of night (the perfect family scenario that children of these ages are bathed, fed and tucked into bed about that time) and one with possible (JMO MOO) behavioural issues. The last minute change of plans would have heightened and (possible) behavioural issues and feeding and settling for the rest of the drive would be paramount to have a sort of quiet trip to grannies. I found this interesting as most kids with possible behavioural issues (JMO) thrive on routine and structure. This really would have perpetuated any (possible) behaviours. JMO MOO IMO

 

[Estelle]

with the current timeframe we have there is not a lot of time to come up with a story that has covered all bases though. So if with the timeline we have is correct and truthful then yes it’s luck. Has to be. IMO.
But this very public and cinematic search currently underway that does nothing to hide that she is a POI - the current one and only POI, it tells me that her story is being considered untruthful. The entire version of events could be fabricated.
This may not have been an accident. Tempers may have flared and William may have died as a result of harm.
It is not a coincidence that the POI is going to court for alleged assault on a child (not William) in her care. Or is it?

IMO it was not an accident or an abduction and WT did not just wander off. It's looking more likely IMO that there could have been some planning behind it.

 

[BigT]

He was bored, full of energy, wanted to explore the new scenery, decided if he was allowed to go down to wait for FF then why not go across the road. Maybe saw something in the bush fell into a well or something. Maybe someone grabbed him then. Didnt the FM hear a scream maybe that was WT and he had hurt himself or been bitten? If he had behavioural issues and a mind of his own anything would be possible. maybe had had a disagreement with FM and took off and hid somewhere? Who knows.

Exactly, then why not go across the road….ok, then PS moves his car to let wife out to go to bingo….wife drives off and WT is under PS car. Possible? If so, then compare the language of FFC, to the language of PS. There are excepts of the recorded conversations GJ had with PS, in podcast 15 “Was there an accident”

Where's William Tyrrell? - Network Ten

My opinion is GJ is a good judge of who could have killed and who could not have, and GJ expresses the opinion that PS knows about the death of WT.