Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #63

[Mrs G Norris]

But the FF is not POI. I don't understand why so many go doing that route about the roar picture. Is FM covering for FF, is that the theory?

The theory is that it was taken earlier and the whole timeline is out.

 

[JWSleuth]

New article in The Telegraph paraphrased:

• William Tyrrell's FP today did not enter any plea on charges of assaulting a child.

• Magistrate Robyn Denes ruled a suppression order was extended on any other details, at Hornsby Local Court.

• FF's solicitor is Justeen Dormer,

• FM's solicitor is Sharon Ramsden,

• Both solicitors said they had only received the “mini” brief of evidence from the police yesterday.

• FF and FM were granted a two-week adjournment before entering pleas.

• “The allegations are not the most serious that the courts see by any stretch,” Magistrate Dene said.

• Solicitor Marlia Saunders, appearing for news organisations including News Corp — publisher of The Daily Telegraph — said it was a matter of public interest and the media sought to report the allegations without identifying anyone involved.

• Neither FF or FM were required to appear before the court.

• The magistrate said that if there was going to be a trial in this case, it was unlikely to be heard before August or September next year, such were the delays in the local courts.

• She adjourned the case to December 3 at 9am.

William Tyrrell’s foster parents did not enter a plea in court today | Daily Telegraph

Seperate lawyers is this standard protocol ? Legal eagles?

 

[Juju71]

An interim order usually remains in place.

Today's matter was in relation to the common assault charge, which is why they will enter a plea when they next appear.
The AVO application is a different matter. I don't know when that's scheduled for. You either agree with the application, or you come back for a hearing. There's no guilty or not guilty.

 

[Georgy]

But the FF is not POI. I don't understand why so many go doing that route about the roar picture. Is FM covering for FF, is that the theory?

It could suggest he was still there at 9.37 imo

 

[Rumination1]

My feeling is the orders to remove LTwere issued on a minor “bruise”? IMO ... so as to not have the child in the home when the proverbial hits the fan with the current dig

will this dig find anything ? I doubt it !

if it did yield DNA or body would that prove one particular poi? Doubt it too unless there is another very important piece of evidence which the cops would be fools to tell the public about

any one got any idea if it could have been an abductor ?
If I think this way it’s too evil but I think the other it’s so desperately cunning and sad for Wt it’s awful too

poor lt. lots for a little kid to cope with

 

[SLouTh]

Today's matter was in relation to the common assault charge, which is why they will enter a plea when they next appear.
The AVO application is a different matter. I don't know when that's scheduled for. You either agree with the application, or you come back for a hearing. There's no guilty or not guilty.

The AVO was scheduled for today, prior to, the alleged assault charges even being laid.

The initial court listing for 23rd Nov were for AVO's only. (they were public)

Those other charges were added later.

NoCookies | The Australian
Edit: to add link to verify info

 

[vatzjr]

Do we know why MFC was missing from two week's worth of inquest (per the CO podcast)?

The 5 photographs that were taken on the day that William's disappearance occurred were created, and the corrected times are as follows:

it is said all the photographs were taken on the same day 12/9/2014

1st created ? corrected to 09:35:19
2nd created 07:37:38 corrected to 09:35:28
3rd created 07:37:38 corrected to 09:35:28
4th created 07:39:39 corrected t0 09:37:29
5th created 07:39:54 corrected to 09:37:44

Thank you for your post, @sniffsniffcough . I think these time-stamps alone are pretty compelling evidence that they were indeed impacted by time-zone shifts, and proof of life for WT would be 9:37 AM on 12/9/2014 (given the possibility that the camera may have been a handful of minutes off from real-time)? Or am I missing something?

ETA: Per sniffsniffcough's response a couple of comments below (#172 currently), I defer to the possibility that proof of life was 8:37 AM due to daylight savings and questions surrounding the time of procuring photos, etc

 

[sniffsniffcough]

But the FF is not POI. I don't understand why so many go doing that route about the roar picture. Is FM covering for FF, is that the theory?

That is not my theory I don't believe the male foster carer (MFC) knows anything about what occurred after he departed 48 Benaroon and his return to 48 Benaroon or anything untoward that may have occurred after 12/9/2014l.

I think it possible he was at 48 Benaroon when the photographs were taken and every interview where the photographs are discussed, the female foster carer takes over that part of the discussion. I think during past televised interviews he agrees with her to be compliant. At times I have noticed at times when he had commenced to say something, she immediately cut in. IMO.

 

[JWSleuth]

The AVO was scheduled for today, prior to, the alleged assault charges even being laid.

Those charges were added later.

IMO

Yes I think your right. My understanding for an AVO (without legal knowledge on this) is that the AVO stands until next hearing?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

The theory is that it was taken earlier and the whole timeline is out.

But surely that implicates the FF? If he's lying about the time pics were taken, he must be involved. She or he disposed of the body before he left for town.
Then, his vehicle could've been used for the disposal too. I can't see any reason for him to lie about taking the pictures 2 hours earlier unless he's an accessory, or the perpetrator, imo.

 

[JWSleuth]

But surely that implicates the FF? If he's lying about the time pics were taken, he must be involved. She or he disposed of the body before he left for town.
Then, his vehicle could've been used for the disposal too. I can't see any reason for him to lie about taking the pictures 2 hours earlier unless he's an accessory, or the perpetrator, imo.

nothing makes sense... maybe AVO and charges buying time to keep other FC safe?

 

[sniffsniffcough]

Do we know why MFC didn't attend two week's worth of the inquest (per the CO podcast)?



Thank you for your post, @sniffsniffcough . I think these time-stamps alone are pretty compelling evidence that they were indeed impacted by time-zone shifts, and proof of life for WT would be 9:37 AM on 12/9/2014? Or am I missing something?

I am not sure about the corrected time actually being the time the photographs were taken. I am leaning towards the photographs being taken around a time between the hours of 8 to 9 that lines up with the minutes and seconds of the corrected time. ie instead of the 'roar' photograph taken at corrected time of 9:37:44 it was 8:37:44 - with the one hour daylight saving and whoever at FACS/NSWPOL did not take that into account when they applied the corrected time.

 

[sniffsniffcough]

nothing makes sense... maybe AVO and charges buying time to keep other FC safe?

and maybe a bit of extra time to see how the current investigations/searches pan out

 

[sniffsniffcough]

But surely that implicates the FF? If he's lying about the time pics were taken, he must be involved. She or he disposed of the body before he left for town.
Then, his vehicle could've been used for the disposal too. I can't see any reason for him to lie about taking the pictures 2 hours earlier unless he's an accessory, or the perpetrator, imo.

I can see no implication at the male foster carer (he is not a father). He has never stated publicly anything about the photograph timeline. It is always the female foster carer that does that.

 

[JayWill]

My feeling is the orders to remove LTwere issued on a minor “bruise”? IMO ... so as to not have the child in the home when the proverbial hits the fan with the current dig

will this dig find anything ? I doubt it !

if it did yield DNA or body would that prove one particular poi? Doubt it too unless there is another very important piece of evidence which the cops would be fools to tell the public about

any one got any idea if it could have been an abductor ?
If I think this way it’s too evil but I think the other it’s so desperately cunning and sad for Wt it’s awful too

poor lt. lots for a little kid to cope with

Do you have any evidence that it was a minor bruise?

 

[Gotta have Faith]

The abc reported the same news and apparently the judge accused the media of wanting clickbait, when people wanted to be allowed to report more detail. There's another child who had a worse thing happen last week he said. But this child today was in the care of people involved in a missing child's case. I think that's pretty rich of the judge to say it's clickbait. Quite rude. It obviously has relevance to a case in the public interest.

Does he sound neutral to you or already biased?

 

[JudgeJudi]

A question for the legal experts:

it has been suggested in previous threads that FGM was/ may have been suffering from dementia. A more recent post states that her will was altered three days before her demise last December. Can a will be changed if the testator lacks testamentary capacity?

This is part of an article written by a member of the NSW Law Society who specialises in Wills:

In 2019 two NSW Court of Appeal cases looked at Wills signed by deceased persons who appeared to be suffering dementia at the time the Wills were drafted. The Court gave significant weight to the evidence from the solicitors who drafted the Wills and their file notes, recollections and usual practise in drafting. This was regardless of the medical evidence which provided in both cases the deceased was suffering varying degrees of dementia.

Legal Test for capacity

The legal test for capacity is not the same as a medical test for capacity.

A person has testamentary capacity if at the time they gave instruction to a solicitor to draft a Will they:

• understood the nature of what a Will is,
• understood the extent of their assets, property and financial position in general terms,
• comprehended and appreciated who they ought to leave their estate to; and
• had no disorder or delusion of the mind that would prevent or influence them disposing of their property in a way they would not have done if they had no disorder of the mind,

These four issues are outlined in the United Kingdom court case of Banks v Goodfellow (1870), and continue to provide the benchmark for capacity for legal purposes and Will making today in New South Wales.

Can a person with dementia make a Will? - Linda Alexander Law

 

[Waverider]

But the FF is not POI. I don't understand why so many go doing that route about the roar picture. Is FM covering for FF, is that the theory?

Just to establish an accurate timeline

 

[Gotta have Faith]

The abc reported the same news and apparently the judge accused the media of wanting clickbait, when people wanted to be allowed to report more detail. There's another child who had a worse thing happen last week he said. But this child today was in the care of people involved in a missing child's case. I think that's pretty rich of the judge to say it's clickbait. Quite rude. It obviously has relevance to a case in the public interest.

Especially when they turn to the Media to get the public to keep an eye out or want people to come forward with information and use the media to do so. Wonder if it has anything to do with the Lawyers hired by FP who have kicked up a stink about the Media?

 

[Tench]

My feeling is the orders to remove LTwere issued on a minor “bruise”? IMO ... so as to not have the child in the home when the proverbial hits the fan with the current dig

will this dig find anything ? I doubt it !

if it did yield DNA or body would that prove one particular poi? Doubt it too unless there is another very important piece of evidence which the cops would be fools to tell the public about

any one got any idea if it could have been an abductor ?
If I think this way it’s too evil but I think the other it’s so desperately cunning and sad for Wt it’s awful too

poor lt. lots for a little kid to cope with

I think an injury attributed to a fall from a horse is likely to be more significant than a “minor bruise”.