Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[SouthAussie]

The head of the homicide investigation, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, said the information was new, solid and that he believed a number of people in the ring may have played a role in William's abduction.

"We've uncovered and received information that leads us to a line of people we suspect of being involved in paedophile activity," Detective Inspector Jubelin said.

"We are exploring information linking them to William's disappearance," he said.

Although police fear the worst for William, his parents hold onto the faint hope that he is alive.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...me-in-on-paedophile-ring-20150417-1mnhf3.html

 

[they'll get you]

So, are the Speddo's involved?

I think the police always believed it was a possible pedophile because they removed mattresses and computers from Speddos unit.

I was sitting outside a newsagent today in Bondi & this little darling was smiling at me.....I had to catch my breath.

 

[truth is out there]

Phew! I'm just catching up on all the posts - I have a new computer and had trouble logging in. Yes the news today is very distressing - but it seemed to be pointed to a pedo ring all along. I gather they have had to do all this in a very measured way to try to protect William if he is still alive. As I imagine if video has come to light (shudders) they have wanted to lay low in their investigations until they have enough info of his whereabouts - so they can make a surprise raid. I wonder if anything came of that recent search that was in the news.

Heartbreaking seeing the parents speaking....

 

[they'll get you]

I started searching for pedophiles around that area, OMG there's too many to count!
It appears many would be out of gaol by now.

http://www.mako.org.au/temp_nsw.html

 

[lampshade1]

I was a bit annoyed they said if people have been found to have info and have not yet come forward they could face charges. Wouldn't that scare people off if they have potentially critical info? I'm sure they meant it to put pressure on but I think it may scare people off?

I think if anyone knew something of much use and was going to come forward they would have by now.

If someone knew something and was concerned they could always report it anonymously via a prepaid phone (and no sim) which I think the emergency service numbers still work on and would surely take/pass on any info .

 

[spiritualdreaming]

I have been checking in all day, hoping that today's revelations might mean that something could have happened as early as tonight. I'm thinking that honing in on a paedophile ring might have continued to be played close to the vest, and a little confused about how announcing it to the press is helpful? Not being critical of the police, but on face value it seems like it might be giving some offenders a bit of heads up? Or maybe the idea is to ruffle some feathers and shake a few creeps out of their comfort zone.
Have spent a lot of time today thinking about how dreadfully unfair life can be for little ones who have no control of their circumstances - while William looks so happy and chirpy in all those adorable photos and video released today, the complicated family history element of his story suggests that perhaps he had a shaky start in life. Now this - whatever it is, it's just so sad.

I was a bit annoyed they said if people have been found to have info and have not yet come forward they could face charges. Wouldn't that scare people off if they have potentially critical info? I'm sure they meant it to put pressure on but I think it may scare people off?

I totally agree, I'm somewhat appalled on the media releases this morning....IMO they've tipped them off to run and hide deeper the sick mongrels

 

[Fabre]

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They're talking to the wife with an awful fear that her husband is involved who is trying to ignore the signs she's seen... The girlfriend who heard a phone conversation that she wasn't supposed to and is now living with a sick feeling in the pit of her stomach... The mother who is suddenly afraid that her son has done a bad, bad thing... The mate who was just giving a friend a hand with something and is trying to shake off the feeling that there was something sinister about the situation that he didn't grasp at the time... The neighbor who knows what they saw was wrong, but didn't want to get involved. They're talking to people who haven't had a direct hand in this crime and are telling themselves that it's ok that they haven't reported it because it isn't really anything and they'd just be wasting everyone's time anyway. The police are saying tell us, no matter how insignificant it is because it's important to us - important enough that if you don't tell us and we get them another way, you'll be changed for your role in not getting that little boy home sooner. They're talking to people who don't see anything to be gained in coming forward and telling them they could lose everything if they don't.

If there's a paedophile ring involved in this, they've got to be feeling mighty nervous. They have to trust that no one else involved has given anything away to anyone who might be intimidated into coming forward by this message.

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Angeline]

Yes, I have heard of it. But not often. There are a few cases here.

Warning: they are very distressing to read. But if you do read them, you will see how disgusting creeps from all over the world work together to abuse the youngsters. :cry: :cry: :cry:
It is very difficult for police to identify many of the children, they just don't know who they are.

An international one from 2011 where 3 Victorian boys and 1 NSW boy were rescued in Australia (and many more in other countries). Four Australian men were considered to be senior members facilitating this enormous pedo ring.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/qld-man-arrested-over-paedophile-ring-20110317-1bxz7.html

And another large international one here from 2007 where another child was rescued in Australia (and many more in other countries). The abuse happened via a chat room.
http://www.mako.org.au/Aussie-child-in-*advertiser censored*-ring.html

Six children rescued in Australia (and many more in other countries) in 2013 in this international pedo ring bust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_International_child_pornography_investigation

Thank you. Now I'm wondering if these children were relatives of the abusers, or if they were abducted? When it says they were rescued, were they rescued from their parents, or were they rescued from abductors? It's just so f...ked up. I can understand how a member of a pedo ring can get away with abusing a family member - I mean, they don't have to deal with the logistics of hiding the child... but I can't recall if I've ever heard of some monster hiding random children and exploiting them online. Ugh, it distresses me to think about it, but William's case could be the first of its kind in this country. Whatever has happened, I hope he is still alive and is too young for whatever has happened to him to destroy his life. His poor, poor parents. I never thought it would come to this. It's unthinkable.

The LE that work on these cases deserve a lifetime pension and so many rewards. Seriously, I can't think of a harder, more soul destroying job.

Yes, I posted an article a few months ago (I think) about the NSW sex crimes squad and the toll this kind of work takes on them. They described it as having a "bucket" where you can only take so much before it's full...

Here it is:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/lif...ld-sex-offenders/story-e6frg8h6-1227078787836

“They talk about a bucket; each person has a bucket and once your bucket’s full you can’t put any more into it and what you put into it are the various experiences you have in your policing career. Some of the very, very best police I’ve known have gone out because of accumulation of experience.”

 

[skibaboo]

OMG! I don't know how I didn't see this last night, just checking facebook this morning and saw lots of pics of William on my timeline and my heart dropped, came straight here! I don't know what to think!! The thought of a paedo ring, it's sickening 3 years old, 3 YEARS OLD! OMG..

 

[allgoaton]

I've been following this case on and off and it was the home videos released of the happy little William (that appear to come from his dad's cell phone -- I know there is a debate over whether this child is a "foster child" and that is what is keeping the parents identities protected... I say it doesn't matter. William calls him "dada" and that is enough to be a dad to me) that have shaken me. (Posted here if you missed them). What a funny, happy, adorable, and absolutely well loved little boy. Three years old. So unfair.

William's mum says something like she hopes whoever has him drops him off in a church or a school. Imagine how wonderful that would be. Someone finding him suddenly abandoned in a supermarket or something like that.

I hope this little boy is still alive. If he is alive and found, there is hope for him. At three years old he will be able to grow and recover from whatever horrors may have happened. And I hate to say it... but I hope, that if he is not... that he has not been for a long while. It seems as if LE are close to figuring out his circumstances, and I hope there is closure for him very soon.

 

[sosocurious]

"We've uncovered and received information that leads us to a line of people we suspect of being involved in paedophile activity," Detective Inspector Jubelin said.

Can't help but wonder if a seized computer may have uncovered that line of people. imo

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...me-in-on-paedophile-ring-20150417-1mnhf3.html

 

[keyleigh]

So, are the Speddo's involved?

I would not fall over with shock if they were.

RSBM-

Yes, I posted an article a few months ago (I think) about the NSW sex crimes squad and the toll this kind of work takes on them. They described it as having a "bucket" where you can only take so much before it's full...

Here it is:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/lif...ld-sex-offenders/story-e6frg8h6-1227078787836

“They talk about a bucket; each person has a bucket and once your bucket’s full you can’t put any more into it and what you put into it are the various experiences you have in your policing career. Some of the very, very best police I’ve known have gone out because of accumulation of experience.”

Thank you. Interesting read.

 

[Angeline]

For those who haven't watched the interview with William's parents, here are some points:

* The family was visiting William's mother's place, and it was definitely a surprise visit, even for the kids.

* They had planned to leave on Friday, but left earlier, Thursday night.

* They stopped at McDonald's on the way.

* William had been playing only 2-3 metres from where his family had been sitting when he went missing. His mother heard nothing, saw nothing.

* It was extremely out of character for William to not respond when his mother called out. He didn't like to be too far away (on another note, I know a couple who recently took on a foster child and the child is extremely clingy towards them. He is never more than a few metres from them. They formed a close bond with him fairly quickly, so I can see how William and his carers became very close.)

* Mother immediately suspected abduction as William would never be tempted by a stranger, nor run into the thick bush. He was a cautious boy. He would always "check in" when playing.

* Mum can't believe he would be abducted by a Kendall local. The community is too small. Believes it was someone without a history in the community.

* This was the first time the kids (at least) had seen grandma since grandpa had passed away in February. The kids had been drawing pictures to put on grandpa's grave. Mum had been making a photo book, taking photos of the kids.

* Mum had tried to put a singlet on under his spiderman suit, ended up putting a spiderman shirt underneath.

* Dad had an appointment - not unusual. He works remotely. They had planned to visit the grave when Dad returned.

 

[Estelle]

I can only surmise from that, that someone picked William up, put his/her hand over his mouth and took him to a waiting car around the corner where another person had the engine going and they drove off.

 

[allgoaton]

I can only surmise from that, that someone picked William up, put his/her hand over his mouth and took him to a waiting car around the corner where another person had the engine going and they drove off.

I agree. They don't imagine it was someone William knew and would willingly go with without making a fuss, and his family were in ear shot apparently so it is hard to believe he wouldn't have started screaming, so the hand over mouth is the only explanation. Three year olds are loud, even when they're just being and not in any kind of distress.

What gets to me is that it was a surprise trip... there wasn't much time for someone to plan this out, so it had to be an opportunistic crime, and it's amazing how smooth and, well, planned out it seemed to be. How did whoever did this to him have it so well executed?

 

[Eloise]

The only thing that fits with his mother's description of how it happened, is if it was someone who had business on Benaroon Drive at the time... if you know what I'm hinting at...

The chance of a totally opportunistic predator who just happened to be on a remote street of a country village at the very time a child was a few metres from his mother is just so ridiculously minute ... not 100% impossible, but I think the chances are greatly improved if you factor in that someone might have had other reasons to be on that street at around that time...

 

[Estelle]

I agree. They don't imagine it was someone William knew and would willingly go with without making a fuss, and his family were in ear shot apparently so it is hard to believe he wouldn't have started screaming, so the hand over mouth is the only explanation. Three year olds are loud, even when they're just being and not in any kind of distress.

What gets to me is that it was a surprise trip... there wasn't much time for someone to plan this out, so it had to be an opportunistic crime, and it's amazing how smooth and, well, planned out it seemed to be. How did whoever did this to him have it so well executed?

Could Bill Spedding have got some inside information? Did he phone them that morning and heard the children making a noise?

 

[Eloise]

They said they checked up on "all known sex offenders in the area" and I'm sure at least once they referred to "known sex offenders" in Kendall and/or on the street? Which always seemed weirdly specific. Maybe they did check up on them and they didn't take WT, but maybe they passed on information to BS or someone in the ring? Surely if there really was actual sex offenders in Kendall their phone records would have been checked for that time - though there are other ways to communicate as well.

But then... nah. Scratch that. Why not then just pass on info on ALL the kids on the street? Or maybe that's why ever since, parents in Kendall have said they've been keeping their kids indoors? It was noted here at the time that that could indicate the police had given locals information that wasn't otherwise made public.

 

[crabstick]

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[crabstick]

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