Autopsy Report - Tox Report

[2goaliemom]

I guess the speculation was that she dumped the body around the time she borrowed the shovel (2.5 days of decomp) so sometime in the afternoon or evening of the 18th...If it was in the afternoon, perhaps, and if her parents were not home she may have come home and showered...or she took the pants and shoes she was wearing off in the car and changed into other clothes she had with her? I don't know. I am guessing it was at night. I wish I had those pings in front of me. To show where she was during the evening and afternoon of the 18th.

TY LB35 I think you are right -- if I remember correctly, the day KC showered at JG's was around the 24th--I know, I need to go to the ping threads--thanks again

 

[Bittiness39]

TY LB35 I think you are right -- if I remember correctly, the day KC showered at JG's was around the 24th--I know, I need to go to the ping threads--thanks again

Me too. I wish I had access to the SA timeline (pings and all).
It is just so horrific to think about and yet it illustrates for me just how not smart KC was. She left paper towels with decomp on them in the trunk. The trunk already had stains in it. She would have been smart, had she left town, set the car ablaze. Dumped her cell phone in the woods. Taken all of her stolen money with her and split town. Changed her appearance and name. I am glad that she didn't do all of these things. I am glad she is not smart and got caught. But she stayed in Orlando...what a dummy she is.

 

[impatientredhead]

TY LB35 I think you are right -- if I remember correctly, the day KC showered at JG's was around the 24th--I know, I need to go to the ping threads--thanks again

Jesse's shower was the week/weekend Tony was in New York. Same timeframe she got the tattoo done. It was the first weekend of July I believe.

 

[ClockWatcher]

Yeah, I heard that too. Wink-wink.

lol you guys...ice :cool2:

 

[doobiedoo52]

I hate to be gross but animals almost had to get in the bag to disarticulate the body parts around the area--which mean her hair would definitely get moved around and matted especially if it got wet from the area being flooded. I think the matting would be quite natural.

 

[magic-cat]

Bold is mine

and a good one IMO.

I'm reading stuff to find out more about how it could get on there because I think it could come from simply being in the room with people getting high but am not 100% sure. I don't know if anyone here smokes or not but if ya do I have no doubt you know the term "hot boxing"- I think it could be as simple as that. I'm checking tho!

Yep ...... many of my "clients" tested for thc after swearing they had just been in a room/vehicle where others were using! Thank you! So obvious/simple, my mind just did not "go" there.

Your clients have lied to you my friend. Unless they were in the same room on an ongoing and everyday basis with LOADS of people smoking weed and sitting there inhaling the smoke for hours on end, then that is not possible. It IS however a common lie that lots of folks who smoke weed tell the drugtesting centers when they have detected THC in their urine. There is a cutoff level for a drug test, as you would well know, and for the level in the persons sample to be above that cutoff level they would have to ingest it by smoking it (or the brownies:crazy but no secondhand smoke is going to place the sample above the cutoff level. It does not happen. It is a myth and it is a VERY common lie. Believe me-I have known some who told it. (not me!)

There is a test that many police officers across the country are gaining access to, a SWAB test, that can be used on a windshield inside a vehicle, etc, and if marijuana has been smoked in that car then the swab will be able to show that. Now, if Tony and his roomies were smoking the ganja on a regular basis inside of the apartment, then that smoke residue would "cling to things-like an open bag of trash or a roll of papertowels sitting on the kitchen counter. IF Casey grabbed the roll of papertowels from inside the aptmt, and they had been smoking near that time, then their would have been some trace THC likely clinging to them. So, it is likely that when she bought that big batch of papertowels, part of her reason was to clean up the mess in her trunk that ONCE was Caylee!!!

 

[magic-cat]

TY. I was having a major panic attack there. But it could follow as a theory of the case: (1)Sometime on day of the 16th after GA left for work. KC came back to the house...and either killed Caylee at the house and duct taped her mouth and possibly her nose shut triple bagged her and threw her in the trunk so that she could hang out with her BF...and not be disturbed. She didn't want to wait around for her parents to come home and leave Caylee with them. Likely, because they were already so angry with her...knew that this might be the final straw that broke the camel's back and that they would sue her for custody and kick her lazy deceitful rear out of the house. She has her evening with Tony. A few days later the car is starting to smell to high heaven so she dumps the body where she used to hang out and bury pets. And in doing so...the bags (already weakened and disturbed from the decomp) have already leaked all of the car. She lifts the bag likely getting it all over herself...and then the lost cause effort to clean up the decomp with the paper towels. The car that she abandoned is a treasure trove of evidence (toxicology and decomposition) and it is the ultimate indicator of her guilt and her understanding of right and wrong.

Hi littlebitty! The only problem with this scenario is that the Medical Examiners office states in one of the reports that the laundry tote was intact. The inner liner was intact and the outside was intact. NO leaking could have occurred from INSIDE that laundry tote. Nope-she must have just put her blanket around her or OVER her to begin with and then pulled a trash bag over her one way-did NOT tie this one, and then pulled another one over her in the other direction and DID tie this one then placed her in the trunk. In all likelihood and I know this is horrible, Caylee burst from the heat inside those bags and in that trunk, which led to fluid leaking and draining even into the wheel well. It is when she discovers THIS I believe that she places her inside the tote, as she KNOWS it is leakproof! Then back into the trunk she goes. THAT is the likely reason she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor, to leverage her into that tote inside the trunk without having to touch her. When I think of it all like this, I hope very bad things for Casey Anthony are lurking just around the corner!!!:furious:

 

[Bittiness39]

Hi littlebitty! The only problem with this scenario is that the Medical Examiners office states in one of the reports that the laundry tote was intact. The inner liner was intact and the outside was intact. NO leaking could have occurred from INSIDE that laundry tote. Nope-she must have just put her blanket around her or OVER her to begin with and then pulled a trash bag over her one way-did NOT tie this one, and then pulled another one over her in the other direction and DID tie this one then placed her in the trunk. In all likelihood and I know this is horrible, Caylee burst from the heat inside those bags and in that trunk, which led to fluid leaking and draining even into the wheel well. It is when she discovers THIS I believe that she places her inside the tote, as she KNOWS it is leakproof! Then back into the trunk she goes. THAT is the likely reason she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor, to leverage her into that tote inside the trunk without having to touch her. When I think of it all like this, I hope very bad things for Casey Anthony are lurking just around the corner!!!:furious:

That is brilliant...on your part. BTW...Interesting use of the shovel.

 

[whiskeygurl]

Caylee was found with duct tape around her mouth & nose wrapped around multiples times and apparently good enough for it to still be attached to the remains. Coming to the chloroform found in the trunk of the car in the liner. Now if Caylee had been smothered by the duct tape, why would there be presence of Chloroform unless someone tried to clean out the smell in the trunk of the car to cover up a crime. I think this is something Cindy would do and I do not trust George either. But the searches of it on the computer still bothers me. That duct tape and the chloroform I hope the pros has an explanation of this.

 

[azwriter]

Yeah, I heard that too. Wink-wink.

Huh? What's a bong? :waitasec:

 

[ThoughtFox]

My take on the matting of the hair is that she was face up when left in the wooded area. The weight of her skull against her hair that is now being exposed to condensation inside the bag, filling with water at some point (we know the bags were not sealed), and gravity pulling the liquification of the soft tissues in that area would all result in matted hair.

It's gross, but that's what I was thinking. The matting would come from the decomposition of her head as well as ... other stuff getting in there after being exposed to water and insects, etc.

 

[whiskeygurl]

I think that Caylee was murdered in her sleep. I got a 3 year old grandson & I know how his hair looks when he has been sleeping. The matting of the hair is because Caylee had been sleeping and thats when Casey murdered that poor little girl

 

[magic-cat]

Caylee was found with duct tape around her mouth & nose wrapped around multiples times and apparently good enough for it to still be attached to the remains. Coming to the chloroform found in the trunk of the car in the liner. Now if Caylee had been smothered by the duct tape, why would there be presence of Chloroform unless someone tried to clean out the smell in the trunk of the car to cover up a crime. I think this is something Cindy would do and I do not trust George either. But the searches of it on the computer still bothers me. That duct tape and the chloroform I hope the pros has an explanation of this.

It is entirely possible that Casey did not want to wrestle Caylee while she killed her, and so used the chloroform to immobilize her while she sealed off her only air pipes with layers of duct tape! OR she may have left a rag of it soaked in the trunk with Caylee in the event the tape came loose the continual exposure to the chloroform would have done the deed for her. Or her dumb a$$ could have just spilled it-who knows with an intellect like that of a FISH! Or she could have actually killed her using a soaked rag and just made doubly sure she would not regain her breath by taping shut her air holes. In any event-

It all points right at Casey! She was the only one who had her car during that time frame and she was the last one seen with Caylee, and unless Casey murdered someone ELSE and had them in her trunk during that time frame, then all reasonable thinking individuals are going to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Caylee in the trunk-she was dead-and Casey made her that way!

 

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

It is entirely possible that Casey did not want to wrestle Caylee while she killed her, and so used the chloroform to immobilize her while she sealed off her only air pipes with layers of duct tape! OR she may have left a rag of it soaked in the trunk with Caylee in the event the tape came loose the continual exposure to the chloroform would have done the deed for her. Or her dumb a$$ could have just spilled it-who knows with an intellect like that of a FISH! Or she could have actually killed her using a soaked rag and just made doubly sure she would not regain her breath by taping shut her air holes. In any event-

It all points right at Casey! She was the only one who had her car during that time frame and she was the last one seen with Caylee, and unless Casey murdered someone ELSE and had them in her trunk during that time frame, then all reasonable thinking individuals are going to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Caylee in the trunk-she was dead-and Casey made her that way!

*bolded by me* Don't insult fish! They're way smarter than Casey. *wink*:fish:

 

[Ripley007]

It is entirely possible that Casey did not want to wrestle Caylee while she killed her, and so used the chloroform to immobilize her while she sealed off her only air pipes with layers of duct tape! OR she may have left a rag of it soaked in the trunk with Caylee in the event the tape came loose the continual exposure to the chloroform would have done the deed for her. Or her dumb a$$ could have just spilled it-who knows with an intellect like that of a FISH! Or she could have actually killed her using a soaked rag and just made doubly sure she would not regain her breath by taping shut her air holes. In any event-

It all points right at Casey! She was the only one who had her car during that time frame and she was the last one seen with Caylee, and unless Casey murdered someone ELSE and had them in her trunk during that time frame, then all reasonable thinking individuals are going to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Caylee in the trunk-she was dead-and Casey made her that way!

I totally agree with you. It all points to Casey! In my mind, the duct tape was wrapped around her head after she fell asleep in KC's room. (Wasn't it CA herself who stated Caylee often slept in her Mother's room?) Then very quickly, KC finished her off with a pillow over the face...after 1:00 pm on 6/16/08 when both CA & GA had left for work, KC began her cover-up.
I can't buy that Chloroform had anything to do with Caylee's death. I think the fact that KC was googling chloroform was because of her snooping on her new BF's online sites and activites. The fact that Choroform was found in the trunk of KC's car was just another KARMATIC event, just like a REAL LIVE ZG was at Sawgrass on June 17th. To me, (God-The Universe was really looking out for this neglected child-making sure that those who wronged her were brought to justice). Not a popular opinion, I'm sure. But it's MY opinion. Thanks for reading.
(George and Cindy MAY be responsible for Chloroform being found in the trunk. I really think this is a possiblibity. If so, what a remeinder to others out there, NOT to try to help others, daughters, sons, or whoever, to cover up a crime. Especially murder. After KC's trial, I PLEAD with the Universe to make an example out of GA&CA. IT's NEVER RIGHT to help another human cover up a MURDER. No matter what the relationship or circumstance. Things are very unbalanced within their family and within the confines of this particular crime. I pray that the wrongs are righted.

 

[mom2chloe]

Anyone who has ever smoked pot from a bong also knows that people who are high constantly knock over the bong and spill the nasty bong water. Clean up from that spill would leave plenty of THC to be found in the trash.

Or so I have heard. :angel:

I considered that maybe KC purposely spilled bong water to cover the smell in the trunk, but IIRC, TL's roommates claimed they only smoked out of a pipe. I am wondering if perhaps the plastic bag that contained their "crippy" was thrown out in the bag of trash? :waitasec:

 

[Ripley007]

LittleBitty, I recently read that too. I am so sick in my heart right now. I never thought I would hope the chloriform theory was true, but NOW I find myself hoping that KC did indeed put her out with Choriform first. I hope and pray that poor baby Caylee never woke up, and never saw what her own mommy was doing to her.

BTW, I LOVE your posts!! I love that there are so many mature and intelligent participants (like you) on this board. Thanks for all your valuable input.

Well, I for one, have made myself quite clear that I have never bought into the Chloroform Theory...However, I too PRAY to God that Caylee was asleep when her own Mommy killed her. I choose to believe in the simplistic Pillow over Face theory. It hurts less to think that this was the way the life was snuffed out of her. And it allows for the fact that Caylee didn't see her killer. Whether or not this is how it went down, who knows. We will NEVER hear KC confess...

 

[Ripley007]

I considered that maybe KC purposely spilled bong water to cover the smell in the trunk, but IIRC, TL's roommates claimed they only smoked out of a pipe. I am wondering if perhaps the plastic bag that contained their "crippy" was thrown out in the bag of trash? :waitasec:

Paper Towels...Bong Water...jeesh....I really need to read the latest documents for myself...

"TL's roomates claimed they only smoked out of a pipe." Are you reading this Doubters? It ticks me off when peeps make negative comments about KC's many friends. TL and his roomates hid NOTHING from LE. Most of her other good friends didn't either. (Some are still suspect to me. An*cough*ni...)
Is it just ME or do most of KC's friends seem like really responsible young adults-relatively speaking. I mean, I have a 19 year old Daughter... I haven't READ one single thing from one of KC's former friends that sent off any red Flags to me. They ALL are either in school and working part-time or not in school and working full time. So, they party on weekends. That's what young people do. We were "young" once too, remember?
Anyway, I get peeved when folks try to make Caylee's death a large conspirosey. KC's friends were nice, normal, young people. She wasn't mixed up with a drug-crazed loser mentality crowd....Bottom Line...KC's friends were "Better" than she was. Am I right or am I right?

 

[drip~drop]

There was only a small amount though, if they had been used in the scraping or cleaning process (to wipe off whatever mess there was) of a bowl or whatever there would be actual resin (which is visible) on the towels IMO.

.....and resin is very sticky, stinky, messy and noticeably brown.
so i've heard.:blushing:

 

[kageykaren]

Interesting thought from the astrologer thread by Wendy Murphy. Wendy stated not all info from the tox report has been made public. Wendy feels the FBI has tested bone from Caylee for benzodiazipans. I would read the post for more accurate facts as to how the chain of testing leads to the FBI to do more of an extensive test. This is such an interesting account by Wendy and points to possible abuse of caylee before death. After bringing up my concerns at the end of September about KC's extra curricular activities I silenced myself and chose to not believe KC went down the road of involving her daughter in horrific crimes. After this article it does make one want to ask. "What is not privy to the public that the state is holding closeto their chests.