Found Deceased AZ - Benjamin Anderson, 41, Car found burned, Phoenix, 31 Dec 2021

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I absolutely think there are too many holes in Dan’s story.

How did they so immediately identify the car as Ben’s if it was, in fact, backed into a spot in the Sheraton parking garage?

There was no front license plate. Ben was driving his aunt’s car, and neither Ben nor Suzanne hang anything from their rear view mirrors in their vehicles.

Also, if there were multiple “friends” in Dan’s vehicle, why did not a single one of them (if they so immediately recognized it as Ben’s car) got his/her cell phone(s) out to try to get a photo or video of these suspects with the Lexus or of the chase that ensued. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Additionally, the story told varied a bit from article to article … news story to news story.

In one accounting of the Sheraton portion of the evening, the mysterious trio was seen seated in the car whilst in others two of the 3 people were standing outside the vehicle. Well, if it was true that they were seated, how did he know she was 5’11”? Hmmm … Odd.

Knowing Ben, as well as I do (did :”( ), I do not think he would have called Dan to cancel their brunch. He would have just sent a quick text. Of course, whether or not this actually occurred can be verified w/by phone records. He worked on the phone the majority of the day for work, and so texting for simple communications was MUCH more common. He did not want to be on the phone in his off time unnecessarily.

When Dan voiced that Lexus finally divulged the location of the burned vehicle to “the friends,” he claims they said it was near Cave Creek Park in 85021. Cave Creek Park is not even in zip code 85021 so I doubt they would have said this. Also, they would have absolutely no right/reason to disclose anything to these people. 1)Again, Ben was not the owner of this vehicle at all. The legitimate owner of the vehicle is Benjamin’s aunt, Suzanne. 2)Even if they had somehow convinced Lexus that Ben was in danger or that Dan was even his husband/domestic partner (he is not as he is married to another man, CH-S), Lexus legally, due to privacy laws, would not, should not have been permitted to disclose any such information about Suzanne’s car to these folks. Makes absolutely no sense that they would do this.

The perpetrators were allegedly all in 4 locations Ben’s apartment/condo, the Super 8, the Sheraton Crescent Hotel, and Table Mesa Rd west of the I-17. Why can’t they check w/cell phone companies/towers/records to see whose phones were at all locations at one time? If Dan’s story is true, this should be a workable possibility.

It is also possible that Dan’s story was made up, the trio does not even exist, the car chase never happened, and he was somehow involved.

Why did Dan’s $10,000 reward not say it would go to anyone with information that would lead to the arrest of whoever burned the car and/or “kidnapped” Ben. Rather than getting justice against whoever was behind his disappearance, Dan offered it only for the safe physical return of Ben Anderson. Is there a chance he knew he would never need to pay that money out to anyone because he knew Ben was already dead? Sure. Of course there is.

How would “the friends” have so quickly identified the burned car as Ben’s Lexus? Oh - the Louis Vuitton bag he conveniently left in the trunk with the lamp(s) inside that Ben had recently purchased at Costco. Hmmm …

Also, has anyone noticed the enormity in the details given. Too many details often means someone may not be telling the truth.

I will be interested to receive confirmation that Ben was driving home from northern Arizona Thursday night. I last text back and forth with him at 9:20pm 12/30/21.

He was in good spirits, and he did not mention that he had been up to northern Arizona, was driving back, or that he was feeling at all fatigued.

That being the case, I found that part of the story a little strange. However, that doesn’t mean he had not been up north as Ben was somewhat secretive. He kind of compartmentalized his friends, and he did not always share information between his different friend groups. He liked a comfortable degree of separation.

Susan tried calling at 12:15pm. The phone went straight to voicemail. The body was found at 1:40pm. They used DNA from Ben’s toothbrush and hair brush that they matched to the remains to identify the body as his. Though MCSO will not release the manner of death, we have been informed he died instantly & did not suffer. They would not let family come down to the coroner’s office to see the body/did not need their id since already obtained the DNA match.

Since the area off Table Mesa Rd is a known outdoor target shooting location, it is common to hear gunshots. I would not be surprised (with the information we now have available) if the perpetrators had not taken him out to the desert still alive, and shot him there where the sound of the bullet would have been masked by other shots and nothing unusual to the ears of those around.

If killed elsewhere, wouldn’t blood have been seen/found? Also, as large a man as Ben was, it would have been extraordinarily difficult to move his body to another location.

Dan allegedly went to Ben’s residence until after 6pm. At that time, it is possible that Dan could have placed the cash, the cards, the wet towel, and he had Ben’s password so he even could have set up his work laptop to make it appear as though he had been home working.

All this chasing the car business allegedly went on in the hours that followed. I heard Dan or Sue quoted in one interview (I cannot remember which said it) say, “All the other businesses were closed so we just started driving hotel to hotel looking for Ben’s car…”

Now, I find it hard to believe that all the businesses off the I-17 and Dunlap were closed by 7:30pm on New Year’s Eve, and that they would be so lucky as to have actually encountered Ben’s car so easily finding it on the 4th Floor of the Sheraton Crescent.

They would have had to have had some kind of knowledge or guidance of where to look to “get that lucky.” That is, if this story is even true. If it is, where is the Sheraton security camera footage of these suspects? Why has that been released so the community could be better able to help identify and locate these alleged perpetrators.

My other theory is that this very well could have been a hate crime. Perhaps Ben approached the wrong person with romantic/sexual interest? Perhaps it was a person living as straight who had bisexual tendencies engaged in acts with Ben and then feared being outed? This is also possible.

Maybe it was a love triangle between Ben, Dan, and Dan’s husband, CH-S? Did anyone else notice that CH-S did not publicly share any of Dan’s Facebook posts w/regard to searching for our missing friend, Ben? Hmmm … He did change his profile pic to one of Dan’s fliers (eventually w/the $10,000 reward featured), but that was the extent of his efforts to assist. He has not offered any expression of sorrow, grief, or even condolences to his husband or to Ben’s friends which I also find extremely strange. Red flag for sure.

We can all only hope and pray that MCSO gets to the bottom of this, and justice is served for our Ben.
Lot's to unpack...
1. Several of your "umms" IMO are simply media writers slants and nuances of Dan's account.
2. in one account (Daily Beast, which for whatever reason seems to ferret out a bit more detail than other sources in my experience) Dan offers that they repeatedly called Lexus and eventual got two of the operators "with a heart" to tell them in general terms where the Lexus might be, which is why they headed over to I-17 to begin with.
3. If you watch my video there is a curbed dirt lot situated behind the Sheraton/UEI.
4. Video does exist from the Sheraton, mentioned in same article IIRC and verified by the desk clerk that worked that night to me on that Monday (Jan. 3). The assumption is it is the hands of MCSO.
5. Along the specific frontage road in that two mile stretch only hotels and a few restaurants (Bobby Q's for example) would be open. The K-Mart has been closed for years and the other businesses are not retail.
6. Cave Creek Park has 6 sections. I clearly recall from my Metro Center Days in the 80's that the southern most section in 85021 was called Cave Creek Park as well but it now looks like it's renamed Rose Mofford Sports Complex with the other sections to the north. Minor point.
7. What Dan doesn't fill in (and reporting doesn't cover) is that when they got there (to the car) at 4:00. Phx PD was processing the scene and getting it ready to be towed. They more than likely could see the bag and lamp and then offered to PPD that it was in fact Benjamin's. It was IMO probably put out by PFD shortly after 2:10-2:20 range, based on the video upload.
8. Your comments surrounding the sighting at the Sheraton is where we might be in agreement. It does seem random that they would encounter the vehicle only a mile from the Super 8 and that the vehicle STILL stayed in the exact same area for another 1.5 hour before being burned. No one got there own video. And having been in the garage, there is no way for the Lexus to exit without directly passing Dan's car. Seems like the description maybe should be more complete, but maybe that is being withheld by LE and Dan was asked not to reveal other details.

Finally, the possibility exists that whatever happened to Ben was done not be these 3 people sighted. It does make sense he was actually shot (or stabbed/strangled) in the desert because as yo say, hard to move that body. Then the vehicle was driven to the Super 8 (or elsewhere) with the keys left on the seat. The Super 8 (and other locations in that area) would be perfect as everyone looks for a quick bag-snag, etc. The 3 take the car and just really can't quite figure out what to de with it (other then "Hey we got wheels for a wild New Years Eve") Which got wilder. Some would say they would just ditch car, but after being chased they got really spooked and figured it was involved in something more major and torched it.
 
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I believe it becomes E. Table Mesa Rd in alignment with approximately where Central Ave would be in town so what you state above with regard to that makes sense.

Your theory is certainly a reasonable possibility.

I honestly had not thought about the fact that it would be easier/make more sense for them to pull off the freeway to the right heading south. Great thought.

As I had expressed previously, I had no reason to expect he would have been up north visiting “friends” in the first place so I was quite surprised to hear that part of the “story.”
So you think Dan S is lying when he says Ben "called him" at 8:00am to cancel Brunch. If Ben keeps his friends "segmented" or separate, how would you know this is not the case. MCSO should get a time of death as roughly 12-24 hours prior which then would point to this theory of the incident happened on the 30? Problem, I thought you said you texted him Thursday night (early IIRC).
 
I’m very sorry for your loss! You have every right to want Justice for your friend! I pray that happens sooner rather than later!!
His body was reportedly discovered at 1:40 pm on the 31st. I haven’t seen official confirmation of who his last known contact was with or where it was from. Hopefully the authorities know more than they are releasing!! I would hope that if they didn’t have substantial leads, they would have released images and asked the public to help identify!
Yes. You are so right. We can only hope that is the case.

Otherwise, where are the images from any potential security camera footage of the mystery trio? It is so difficult to be patient.

Moreover, why did “the friends” have no images or video to contribute at all from any of their phones from said encounter? Why didn’t any one of them mention snapping a quick pic or pressing record on video during alleged car pursuit? This just pains me. Even a poor quality shot would be far superior to nothing.

And, why no photo, video, or even a call or report to the police from an uninvolved observer of those folks driving the wrong way on the frontage road of the I-17 at that hour on New Year’s Eve/New Year’s Day transition. (Usually a wrong way driver is enough to be a news story in and of itself.) I didn’t see this noted or reported by anyone else.
 
With all murders the ‘why’ bit is the part that sometimes is never ascertained, but it’s very, very loud with regard to Ben. Murders are sadly mostly utterly senseless, but this makes no sense at all. Who are these three people? Was the motive robbery? If so, you can rob without murdering and you can rob without going to potentially several locations.

I can’t help but wonder if Ben was taken to the desert, not only because the sounds of gunshots aren’t so unusual, as mentioned previously, but because the sounds of screams aren’t either. My gut says these people wanted something that Ben was either reluctant to reveal, or didn’t know. Could this possibly have all been a tragic case of mistaken identity? I have no idea what this is all about, but it’s all so bizarre,

I don’t know if the assumption is that Ben was killed and dumped prior to his friends seeing his car, or if Ben could have been in the car, dead or alive? If it was after Ben had been killed and dumped, why were they in that particular area? What or possibly who, is significant in that locality?
He was dead by 1:45 PM New Years Eve so no he wasn't in the car when the friends spotted it.
 
I have a question …

Has anyone heard tell by way of any MSM report (or elsewhere) who it was that physically saw Ben in the morning near his residence on 12/31/2021? It seems that detail has been left out in every report I have seen or watched.

Also, I find it somewhat absurd that all of the reports/stories “the friends” went to the MSM with indicated that he would likely be wearing the shorts & black shirt/blue zip sweatshirt.

Did whoever claimed to have seen him alive that very morning THINK he/she recalled seeing Ben in that outfit or what? From the beginning, I have found that comment somewhat bizarre.

I have seen in many a missing person report “He /she was last seen wearing ____”

That said, I do not believe it is nearly as common to see “… may be wearing ____.”

Very odd indeed. Thoughts?
My take that the "seen the morning of" was a misunderstanding of the 8:00am call which presumed Ben was at home. But No, I have not seen an actual person ID "near 7th ST. and Maryland" that saw him. I visited the Shell Station on Monday JAn.3 and they had flyers and manager had not seen him as customer.
 
So you think Dan S is lying when he says Ben "called him" at 8:00am to cancel Brunch. If Ben keeps his friends "segmented" or separate, how would you know this is not the case. MCSO should get a time of death as roughly 12-24 hours prior which then would point to this theory of the incident happened on the 30? Problem, I thought you said you texted him Thursday night (early IIRC).
Our last text exchange was at 9:20pm 12/30/21.

I am not blatantly accusing Dan of lying. That would be unfounded and foolish.

Obviously, this call to Dan, if it did occur, can be verified by/with phone records.

I just was surprised to hear this, and I do think it warrants verification.

1) Likewise I was surprised the story was that Ben had even been up north visiting friends & driving a great deal the preceding night because he had made no mention of the trip to me. Does anyone know when he supposedly arrived home on 12/30/2021?

2) He was obviously still awake at 9:20pm on 12/30/21, and he did not seem to be driving at the time we were texting back and forth. Was he already home? Had he not yet left northern AZ to head home? Maybe he was trying to text and drive. I hope not. There were a couple of keying errors, but that is not all that uncommon (he types quickly/big thumbs).

3) If he really just needed to cancel brunch (with me anyway), and that was all he needed to impart, I would bet money, he would have sent ME a quick text in lieu of calling. Something like: “Sorry. Can’t make brunch. Too tired. Talk later.” That said, his relationship with Dan may have been different. Maybe they had voice call exchanges more frequently than Ben and I did. As you alluded to, and I do agree, there is truly no way for me to know that piece. I do know that since he spent a lot of time on the phone for work, when he could text in lieu of calling, it has been my experience that is what he would tend to do.
 
I have a question …

Has anyone heard tell by way of any MSM report (or elsewhere) who it was that physically saw Ben in the morning near his residence on 12/31/2021? It seems that detail has been left out in every report I have seen or watched.

Also, I find it somewhat absurd that all of the reports/stories “the friends” went to the MSM with indicated that he would likely be wearing the shorts & black shirt/blue zip sweatshirt.

Did whoever claimed to have seen him alive that very morning THINK he/she recalled seeing Ben in that outfit or what? From the beginning, I have found that comment somewhat bizarre.

I have seen in many a missing person report “He /she was last seen wearing ____”

That said, I do not believe it is nearly as common to see “… may be wearing ____.”

Very odd indeed. Thoughts?
See my previous post where I ask if that was a normal attire for Ben....how did they know what he would have on potentially AND it was pretty chilly in the AM that day.
 
My take that the "seen the morning of" was a misunderstanding of the 8:00am call which presumed Ben was at home. But No, I have not seen an actual person ID "near 7th ST. and Maryland" that saw him. I visited the Shell Station on Monday JAn.3 and they had flyers and manager had not seen him as customer.
That would make sense. If so though, why was the “last seen” info printed on the flyers that Dan and Sue produced themselves and distributed in mass quantities?
 

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Are the friends of Ben that have been mentioned in all the news articles relatively new friends?
Dan S. claims 20 years.
I remember when he drove for Uber and I doubt he was doing that again but it’s not uncommon for him to give someone he knew a ride if they needed it. He was too nice and too trusting at times.

Does anyone know how long his body was there before it was found? That may help with the timeline.
Not released as far as I know. My guess would be late morning given all the texting and calls in the public MSM record.
 
See my previous post where I ask if that was a normal attire for Ben....how did they know what he would have on potentially AND it was pretty chilly in the AM that day.
I saw that. No. I looked through all the old photos I have of us/him. I don’t have any of him wearing that outfit described.
 
I’m a long time friend of Ben’s. Over 25 years. I’ve read this page but just now signed up. I’m sure I’ll have to get verified so I know this may be deleted.

Ben had a lot of friends and the Ben I knew I can’t imagine anyone wanted to hurt him. He was more like a little brother/little cousin to me. We attended import life events with each other and met each other’s families. He’s traveled with my family and he was cousin Ben. My friends mom is having her 70th birthday in April and asked me to invite Ben because she enjoyed him so much when he attended a birthday celebration for her some years ago.
I won’t claim to know everything about him but we discussed a lot. Ive been there for the highs and lows. I don’t know all of his friends but I met a lot over the years. He had so many that I couldn’t keep track of everyone as Ben was way more social than I am. I will say that Sue and Dan have been around for over 20 years. I would be shocked if they had anything to do with this. But others may know something that I don’t know. I will be heartbroken if that is the case because I’ve spent time with all of them. I wasn’t friends with all of his friends but at times he did bring us together.

I’m not sure how this works with the reward money but I agree Ben has plenty of friends that will put in. Friends of different races and ages. I’m several years older and I know he had friends older than me.

I’m willing to hire a private investigator if that will help because I refuse to let this crime go unsolved. I’m still very much in my feelings so I want whoever is responsible for his death to be held accountable.

I’m going to miss him so much.
So from my experience with Daniel Robinson a PI at this stage will just piss off MCSO and be a hinderance. If no action/stall out in 2-3 weeks start the family rumbling about doing it, but say that to MCSO first. Then publicly...
 
See my previous post where I ask if that was a normal attire for Ben....how did they know what he would have on potentially AND it was pretty chilly in the AM that day.
I saw that. No. I looked through all the old photos I have of us/him. I don’t have any of him wearing that outfit described.

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Definitely agree. Perfectly stated.

How long was his body there before found? I would imagine now that the autopsy has been done, the coroner has probably provided some estimation to Ben’s family.

I didn’t think to ask about that, and it has not come up in conversation.

I only know that I last communicated with Ben at 9:20pm the night before he went missing. Again, he made no mention of driving back from northern Arizona, no mention of feeling fatigued, and he was in good spirits (humorous mood).

Dan alleges Ben called him to cancel brunch around 8:00am on 12/31/21. Last phone ping 8:40 something at Ben’s residence.

With little traffic (let’s say Friday light and better as people may have taken New Year’s Eve off)it would take approximately 35 minutes to travel from 7th St & Maryland to W Table Mesa Rd New River.

If they went straight there after phone was turned off and/or destroyed, and if the killed him immediately upon arrival, Ben’s body would have been there at the most approximately 4.5 hours (from about 9:10am to 1:40ish).
Timeline.....
Compiled by KellyConQueso/JJRAY on Websleuths ALL TIMES APPROXIMATE
12/31/2021
8:00 AM - BA calls DS, cancels breakfast plans
8:03 AM - DS texts BA about work issue
8:03 AM - BA replies to text
8:40 AM - BA phone off
9:00 am or so - earliest time Ben encounters perpetrator and taken to New River
1:00 pm or so - given half to 3/4 hour till body discovered, latest time Ben alive.
1:46 PM BA Body found in New River
6:00 PM - BA's aunt and friend start calling DS
6:45 PM - DS goes to BA's condo?/apt?
7:30 PM - BA is reported missing to PD
9:25 PM - Lexus calls PD, vehicle last located at the Super 8 by Wyndham, I-17 and Northern Ave.
At some point, Officers dispatched but friends learn from Lexus the general location, begin searches of hotel lots.
10:30 PM - PD contacts DS and told car is not at Super 8. Friends continue search of other area hotels.
1/1/2022
12:20 AM - Friends see BA's car with people that are not BA on 4th level of Sheraton parking garage. Car leaves while they go to get help.
One Account says the friends chased the car, went through a dirt lot, car tried to hit them, went wrong way (IMO frontage rd.)
1:00 AM- friends return to BA's apartment. Lexus resets Locator app for friends.
1:45 Am - Citizen App has uploded video of car on fire, FD responds
3:45 AM - Lexus App indicates Cave Creek Park
4:00 AM - vehicle found burned at UEI College parking lot by friends
 
I second this opinion. I have never known him to turn his phone off.

Also, I forgot to mention before, I also like the idea you presented of hiring a private investigator in an effort to find who is responsible.
NO! DO NOT DO THAT AT THIS STAGE....the PI will gum up the works and make potential witnesses leery and "burnt out" from too many parties asking questions. let LE work it for about 2-3 weeks. If no progress, then call MCSO and tell them you are considering, it will light a fire for a short while. Then go public with the POSSIBILITY only after about a month, then hire. I am speaking from an objective perspective on what I saw happen on Daniel Robinson case.
 
Why don’t you ask him? He’s on FB and was posting publicly all night when looking for him. If you are friends with Ben, then you know his friends. There was another article indicating three car loads of friends looking for Ben. I assume they were all close to him? No? If that’s correct, I would guess that’s about 12 people. Does anyone know them?
I interestingly did not see any more posts on Dan's and he did not reply with offers to help. Debbie did not either over on her post about the disappearance.
 
Well, because “the friends” had just encountered the mystery trio who MSM story alleged they didn’t know/recognize had the Lexus at the Sheraton, Ben was not with them, car chase ensued per Dan’s story, etc.

Also, given the fact that Sue works for AZ DOHS, one would think she would think twice about returning to the residence. Perhaps that would have been a job best left to LE?
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She is Grant Writer not in LE side of things. And as pointed out it was a missing person not a crime at that point. Only when LE found the car burnt out would it have shifted from simple missing person to missing under suspicious (potentially endangered) status.
 
Is there no desert west of I-17? In your earlier post you provided an area that may have been where BA's body was found but it was west of I-17.
See correction....it was WEST of I-17 and yes the entire area is desert but does have larger property with a wide variety of dwellings....double wides to very nice homes (not that a double wide can't be nice, but you get my meaning.)
 
She is Grant Writer not in LE side of things. And as pointed out it was a missing person not a crime at that point. Only when LE found the car burnt out would it have shifter from simple missing person to missing under suspicious (potentially endangered) status.
I think having already seen the 3 individuals in the car (they did not know/did not recognize) with Ben not present, Ben’s aunt having already reported the car as stolen should have been enough for them to recognize a crime had been committed (though perhaps they didn’t realize the extent of it or how heinous it was at the time) for them to have exercised better judgment w/regard to returning to the condo at all. IMHO, that should have been left alone from that point forward. Especially since they expressed how abnormal things seemed in the residence - wet towel, clothes on the kitchen floor, and so on.
 
I think having already seen the 3 individuals in the car (they did not know/did not recognize) with Ben not present, Ben’s aunt having already reported the car as stolen should have been enough for them to recognize a crime had been committed (though perhaps they didn’t realize the extent of it or how heinous it was at the time) for them to have exercised better judgment w/regard to returning to the condo at all. IMHO, that should have been left alone from that point forward.
Got you, yeah they did talk about going back AFTER the sighting. I just remebered how DS went over right at 6:30 or so.

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Definitely agree. Perfectly stated.

How long was his body there before found? I would imagine now that the autopsy has been done, the coroner has probably provided some estimation to Ben’s family.

I didn’t think to ask about that, and it has not come up in conversation.

I only know that I last communicated with Ben at 9:20pm the night before he went missing. Again, he made no mention of driving back from northern Arizona, no mention of feeling fatigued, and he was in good spirits (humorous mood).

Dan alleges Ben called him to cancel brunch around 8:00am on 12/31/21. Last phone ping 8:40 something at Ben’s residence.

With little traffic (let’s say Friday light and better as people may have taken New Year’s Eve off)it would take approximately 35 minutes to travel from 7th St & Maryland to W Table Mesa Rd New River.

If they went straight there after phone was turned off and/or destroyed, and if the killed him immediately upon arrival, Ben’s body would have been there at the most approximately 4.5 hours (from about 9:10am to 1:40ish).
WELCOME @Another friend of Ben and @BenjaminJAndersonAlly

Glad to have you here with us !!

Thank you both for sharing personal parts of your life, love and friendship with Benjamin.

I am so sorry for the loss of your friend and praying whoever did this, is found quickly and justice will be served for Benjamin !!!
 

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