AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #11

[captdj]

Thanks Salem, I didn't see this before my last post. There is some clue as to when she got the new phone in her calling Logan, but that probably just means it had to have been done any time before that call(s).

Did JS say there was a hiiccup and had no contact with EJ until 12/22(?)

 

[time]

Just a thought, maybe insignificant.

I think most of us have noticed the Smith's almost never refer to Gabriel by his name. Let's assume they were attached to him and so forth so that is not the reason, e.g., he was seen as just any baby, property, etc. Could they be doing that because they know a new name he has been given and they are afraid they will slip up and say that name instead of 'Gabriel'? The only other reason (reason #3) would be that they do not want his name mentioned over and over and in quotes about him? Seems the least likely of the three. I don't know, maybe they do it so no one can ask, you mean baby Gabriel or the other G in your life?

 

[time]

I was the author of the post. No time frame just when EJ got to San Antonio.

Trying to keep this straight - so that tidbit can be traced back to Tammi/her friend? If so, then we know Elizabeth could have gotten a second phone before leaving Arizona (not being sarcastic here either).

 

[BeanE]

Has Tricia given permission for rumors to be posted in Gabriel's threads? If so, please provide link.

TIA

 

[OneLove]

Just a thought, maybe insignificant.

I think most of us have noticed the Smith's almost never refer to Gabriel by his name. Let's assume they were attached to him and so forth so that is not the reason, e.g., he was seen as just any baby, property, etc. Could they be doing that because they know a new name he has been given and they are afraid they will slip up and say that name instead of 'Gabriel'? The only other reason (reason #3) would be that they do not want his name mentioned over and over and in quotes about him? Seems the least likely of the three. I don't know, maybe they do it so no one can ask, you mean baby Gabriel or the other G in your life?

Or maybe the pain of knowing (or feeling) that he is dead keeps them from being able to speak his name.

I lost a canine buddy nearly a year ago, and my DH and I both still cannot speak his name; we use the first initial of his name when we have to talk about him, or when talking to friends/family, we use "Otis's brother". Its the name itself thats too close, raw, and painful.

 

[BeanE]

Sorry I'm so confused ~ but when she checked into the 2nd hotel, on the 26th and under the alias, Gabriel wasn't with her, correct?

Has it been confirmed that she checked into a 2nd hotel on the 26th? Has the name/location of the 2nd hotel been confirmed?

Trying to keep everything straight in my timelines.

TIA

 

[Baznme]

lease help me...I just do not understand WHY EJ would HAVE to go "UNDERGROUND"an d HAVE to have another SSN. That's part of going underground. Undetectable
What is that all about?
Logan wasn't the violent one..........she did the violence in apt etc.
WHY did EJ have to DISAPPEAR??? Because she knew what she was doing was not legal in the eyes of the law. She already knew Logan had been granted custody.
What was the plan? she had to have the last word. Logan directed, I'm sure.
What else has she done?
What was she in to? (crimes) Her way or no way.
Girls adopt babies out everyday and don't go UNDRGROUND or change their SSN's????

True enough but most of them try to do it legally.

My opinion in red.

 

[Baznme]

Has it been confirmed that she checked into a 2nd hotel on the 26th? Has the name/location of the 2nd hotel been confirmed?

Trying to keep everything straight in my timelines.

TIA

If this is true that she went to the 2nd hotel on the 26th, then she left the baby's things in the first hotel and walked away with a new ID. Checked into the 2nd hotel and left the next day. Did she check in alone?

 

[Prof]

Been trying to keep it all straight...not sure this is complete

Dec. 11: The father, LM, files a petition for full custody of his son, Gabriel.

Dec. 11-17: Elizabeth sold her dogs, a laptop and cashed an unemployment check. She gave away clothes belonging to Gabriel and stored the crib in the shed.

Dec. 17: Elizabeth and LM granted joint custody

Dec. 18: Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, leaves Tempe, Ariz.

Dec. 20: Johnson arrives in San Antonio.

Dec. 23: TS wrote on her Facebook about Elizabeth finding and underground system to help her.

Dec. 26: Last known sighting of Gabriel.

Dec. 26: TS had a friend in Nashville call Elizabeth and plea for her to return to AZ. Tammi's attorney also called Elizabeth on this same day, as per Tammi Smith on the NG show.

Dec. 26: TS stated this was the first she had heard of any Domestic Violence assistance from Elizabeth via cell phone call.

Dec. 27: LM recieves text msg from EJ saying she had killed Gabriel

Dec. 27: Johnson leaves San Antonio. The search for Gabriel begins after his father receives text messages in which the mother claimed she killed the boy.

Dec. 28: Date the custodial hearing was to be held.

Dec. 30: Johnson arrested in Miami Beach, Fla.

Jan. 5: Johnson's missing car is found parked at a San Antonio motel.

Jan. 7: Police announce 'persons of interest' in boy's disappearance.

Jan. 10: Elizabeth Johnson extradited from Florida & now in Maricopa County jail on 3 felony charges: (1) kidnapping, (2) child abuse, (3) custodial interference.

Jan. 12: Reward (5K) offered by Crimestoppers for tips leading to find Gabriel.

Jan. 13: TS visited EJ in jail today and was assured by Johnson that Gabriel is alive and she did hand him over to a couple she met in San Antonio. EJ asking police to do a composite sketch of the couple and also asking for FBI participation.

January 14: TS was interviewed by LE

January 14: Johnson was indicted by a grand jury charges of kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference, and conspiracy to commit custodial interference.

January 14 A baby-sitter came forward on Wednesday saying she watched Gabriel for about two hours while Elizabeth left the hotel. The woman says Gabriel appeared dirty and lethargic, "He had stains around his mouth and dried boogers around his nose," said *advertiser censored***

January 14: Search warrants were issued for the Smith's home, computers, files, etc. A search was conducted for several hours ending around 12:30 AM. JS said police took his laptop computer and made a copy of his business computer's hard drive. He said they also took brochures they had for a foster agency. The Smiths say they hired an attorney.

January 15: Police released several photos of Gabriel found on Elizabeth's cell phone taken inside the hotel room in San Antonio.

January 15: Elizabeth's grandfather, RJ stated he believes Elizabeth gave away the baby and knows how to contact the couple.

Thank you for this

For January 5th --You might want to add the first interview with TS and KPHO in FL
http://www.kpho.com/video/22155911/index.html

ETA After listening again just now I note how TS does that --almost say the wrong word --thing again
'That's how we met at the ho-- what do you call it --airport"
TS and JS do that often --

 

[Shear22]

But they are most probably not Borderline Personlity Disordered or Bipolar either.

Borderline is usually caused by an overriding feeling of abandonment at a young age when children are particularly helpless and vulnerable.

As adults, they soooo over-react to anything that happens that can "translate" internally as being abandoned again. I think EJ went over the edge when Logan began to legally insure his relationship with his son. She probably took it as an "abandonment" of her.

I absolutely feel he did the right thing. I so feel for him at this time. Mental illness is a hard hard thing for families to deal with. Mothers of very young children with mental illness is a nightmare to deal with.

I completely agree with you, OneLove, about EJ probably suffering from borderline and would add that my understanding is that Logan actually broke up with EJ on the 8th, which is what launched her into lashing out at him in the only way that she could: by keeping Gabriel away from him.

According to TPS EJ was 'protecting' Gabriel from Logan, but that is really just what TPS wanted to believe. The types of things that EJ has said are "I just wanted to hurt him" and "He ruined my life" and only as an afterthought suggestions that Logan wasn't fit to be a father. She felt abandoned by Logan (which for someone with Borderline is the worst feeling possible) and wanted him to feel the type of hurt that she felt. She knew that if she just left him with Gabriel he would probably just think: "Good riddance". In order to make him feel the way she felt she had to take Gabriel away from him even though she didn't want the baby herself.

Now, whether she killed him, gave him away with TPS' help, or gave him away on her own, I'm at a loss. I'm leaning towards and hoping that TPS set her up with someone because that gives us more of a chance of unearthing the truth. Hopefully, LE has been gleaning useful info from TPS' computers over the weekend and can track down Gabriel's whereabouts, but I'm not holding my breath.

The father of my twins has borderline (diagnosed by two separate psychiatrists) and I, like Logan, tried to just deal with it for a long time because he would explode (he was never physically violent) and then calm down and promise to get help and do better, etc. in an endless cycle. I eventually had to go to the courts and separate from him definitively. Fortunately, he has been much better since then and has been good with the kids, but it's partly because he loves them so much, which is something that it doesn't seem like EJ really did.

 

[BeanE]

O/T - Just a helpful tip for newcomers trying to learn the rules.

I have a quick and easy way I use when I want to check on rules. I go to Advanced Search, I put Tricia (the forum owner's) name in as User Name, and I put whatever I'm checking in as a keyword, for example, 'rumors' or 'verified' or 'facebook'.

I set to look at posts just in the past 3 months, to make the search faster.

I set to look at posts rather than threads.

This way I can see exactly what Tricia has said we can and cannot do.

I hope this is helpful.

 

[BeanE]

If this is true that she went to the 2nd hotel on the 26th, then she left the baby's things in the first hotel and walked away with a new ID. Checked into the 2nd hotel and left the next day. Did she check in alone?

Are you saying that it has been confirmed that she checked into another hotel on the 26th?

 

[time]

Did JS say there was a hiiccup and had no contact with EJ until 12/22(?)

I can't remember if it was a hiccup... I know in one interview it seemed Jack claimed they just hadn't heard from Elizabeth since the 18th and they did hear from her on the 22nd. His explanation was a bit hinky in my opinion.

 

[panthera]

Has it been confirmed that she checked into a 2nd hotel on the 26th? Has the name/location of the 2nd hotel been confirmed?

Trying to keep everything straight in my timelines.

TIA

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I remember hearing that she got another room under the alias but I wasn't sure it was the 26th. However if the photos (taken on the 26th) are from the first hotel, then it would pretty much narrow it down to later that day. I just don't see the point of her switching hotels, using an alias, if she still had Gabriel.

 

[Shear22]

I can't remember if it was a hiccup... I know in one interview it seemed Jack claimed they just hadn't heard from Elizabeth since the 18th and they did hear from her on the 22nd. His explanation was a bit hinky in my opinion.

I think the term 'hiccup' came up on FB but I'm not positive.

 

[DairyGirl]

Somewhere in here IS the answer. Question is, which one?

I'm leaning on her finding someone prior to leaving for San Antonio. There had to be a reason for her to pick San Antonio. I can't see her randomly leaving for a city without some kind of purpose. I think she may have found someone online, I'm not thinking Craigslist for some reason. She may have spoken with someone who gave her a lead. For now, with no evidence of a death I am hoping that Gabriel is alive.

 

[panthera]

Or maybe the pain of knowing (or feeling) that he is dead keeps them from being able to speak his name.

I lost a canine buddy nearly a year ago, and my DH and I both still cannot speak his name; we use the first initial of his name when we have to talk about him, or when talking to friends/family, we use "Otis's brother". Its the name itself thats too close, raw, and painful.

If I believed someone I loved so dearly had been murdered I wouldn't still be seeking out meetings to talk with the one I believe is the murderer. I'd want justice for the one who was murdered, not speaking as to clear myself of any involvement, if I didn't have any. MOO

ps ~ I'm sorry about Otis' brother :rose:

 

[BeanE]

Did JS say there was a hiiccup and had no contact with EJ until 12/22(?)

The hiccup reference is from a FB posting of Jack's that has since been deleted.

 

[panthera]

I'm leaning on her finding someone prior to leaving for San Antonio. There had to be a reason for her to pick San Antonio. I can't see her randomly leaving for a city without some kind of purpose. I think she may have found someone online, I'm not thinking Craigslist for some reason. She may have spoken with someone who gave her a lead. For now, with no evidence of a death I am hoping that Gabriel is alive.

I too believe there was a reason she went there and even why she stayed at that hotel. Someone set it all up for her, imo.

 

[passionflower]

Has it been mentioned was EJ always alone in her motel room (s)?
I wonder because pix of Gabriel shows a clean baby.
Do we know if EJ really took the pix or someone else?
I really wonder if TS was there also???