AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #13

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Actually, I don't think this has been ruled out by LE yet.

The "Wisconsin Gabriel" was thoroughly covered by the local news here in AZ and several stations reported that LE completely ruled it out. I wish the tv stations would put more of their videos online so everyone in the country could know what's happening in the case, and so that I could give everyone a link. However, I don't have a link, but I definitely remember the debunking being reported by abc15.com, azfamily.com and kpho.com.
 
Just a thought ... the Mexican border is only about 4 hrs away from SA. Provided EJ's one story wasn't actually untrue regarding the couple she allegedly gave him to, I could actually see this scenario truly happening. Couple illegally acquires the baby in the park or however it happened, then immediately take off for Mexico crossing the border before the case even really started making major news around the country and no one is none the wiser. LM didn't officially call the police til the text on the 27th of December ... if EJ gave the baby up to the couple right before she texted LM (to get him off her back since she originally stated to LE that she told him she'd killed GJ to get back at him and to have LM stop calling her), they would've had a major head-start getting out of the country completely unnoticed.

As an aside to this theory, TPS commented on one of her business pages last year that they had a timeshare in Mexico ... anyone know if LE has followed up on this? I haven't heard anything about Mexico even mentioned by NG or LE but if I were them, I would definitely check up on that ... maybe the couple was in on the deal with TPS and she his them there? I mean ... who would even THINK to look in Mexico, right? It's much easier to hide out in the US but I bet in Mexico, no one even knows about this case. Easy way to hide, but this is just my opinion.
 
We seem to have 2 Gabriel threads going...:waitasec:

Are there posters still on thread 12 that Salem closed hours ago--or does Gabriel have his own forum now?
Where?
 
Just a thought ... the Mexican border is only about 4 hrs away from SA. Provided EJ's one story wasn't actually untrue regarding the couple she allegedly gave him to, I could actually see this scenario truly happening. Couple illegally acquires the baby in the park or however it happened, then immediately take off for Mexico crossing the border before the case even really started making major news around the country and no one is none the wiser. LM didn't officially call the police til the text on the 27th of December ... if EJ gave the baby up to the couple right before she texted LM (to get him off her back since she originally stated to LE that she told him she'd killed GJ to get back at him and to have LM stop calling her), they would've had a major head-start getting out of the country completely unnoticed.

As an aside to this theory, TPS commented on one of her business pages last year that they had a timeshare in Mexico ... anyone know if LE has followed up on this? I haven't heard anything about Mexico even mentioned by NG or LE but if I were them, I would definitely check up on that ... maybe the couple was in on the deal with TPS and she his them there? I mean ... who would even THINK to look in Mexico, right? It's much easier to hide out in the US but I bet in Mexico, no one even knows about this case. Easy way to hide, but this is just my opinion.

WSers have discussed Mexico a LOT, but as far as LE investigating? They aint sayin.....
 
Small point I'd like to make
IMO after watching the initial interview on NG again I noticed that she stated


GRACE: So what did you do for those hours you were with baby Gabriel, just hold him?

'ANALISA: Yes. I was holding him. You know, like I said, the whole time, I was just trying to play with him. I was trying to make him happy at least while I was there."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/14/ng.01.html

BBM It struck me as odd -- as you say "overly dramatic" --sounds like she pretty much decided that Gabriel was not happy ever -- how can one assume such a thing? Many babies are not happy in the arms of a stranger -separation anxiety at that age does not seem uncommon to me at all -- IMO some babies warm up to some strangers right away, some don't warm up at all, and some are discriminating -- I have always trusted babies (and dogs) reactions to strangers

perhaps it was just her first impression of EJ clouding her statements with biased remarks such as above --her first impression being that look that EJ gave her, but she admitted she was late herself

She obviously did not have a good impression of EJ-- and gave very judgmental IMO descriptions for someone who just met a woman briefly and babysat a baby who was possibly teething, possibly scared to be in the arms of a stranger,

IDK just my impressions

My son is 2 days younger than Gabe and I can 100% vouch for what you are saying here. Since my fiance and I both work full time, my son is watched by the daughter of a good friend of mine. It's obvious that my son is well cared for by her, she calls to let me know of the slightest problem (i.e. doesn't seem to want his bottles, hasn't had a bowel movement). And when I've seen him with her, he is comfortable and happy. But he STILL cries for a half hour to an hour after his daddy drops him off everyday. Seperation Anxiety is very much present in most children at 8 months. Also, with the things we know have gone on in Gabe's short lifetime (EJ's fits of rage, screaming, breaking things, etc.) and being moved around (from one apartment, to another, to the Smiths, back to mom, road trip to SA, not seeing daddy for awhile), I'd imagine this kid felt VERY anxious and insecure. I took my son to Utah for a week over Xmas to meet my family. And though he was well cared for and with me and his dad the whole time, he took a couple weeks to adjust after getting home, and wanted to be held constantly, even though he's very independent.
 
Are there posters still on thread 12 that Salem closed hours ago--or does Gabriel have his own forum now?
Where?

I just went and looked....I don't think thread 12 is actually CLOSED. Can anyone here do that?
 
Just a thought ... the Mexican border is only about 4 hrs away from SA. Provided EJ's one story wasn't actually untrue regarding the couple she allegedly gave him to, I could actually see this scenario truly happening. Couple illegally acquires the baby in the park or however it happened, then immediately take off for Mexico crossing the border before the case even really started making major news around the country and no one is none the wiser. LM didn't officially call the police til the text on the 27th of December ... if EJ gave the baby up to the couple right before she texted LM (to get him off her back since she originally stated to LE that she told him she'd killed GJ to get back at him and to have LM stop calling her), they would've had a major head-start getting out of the country completely unnoticed.

As an aside to this theory, TPS commented on one of her business pages last year that they had a timeshare in Mexico ... anyone know if LE has followed up on this? I haven't heard anything about Mexico even mentioned by NG or LE but if I were them, I would definitely check up on that ... maybe the couple was in on the deal with TPS and she his them there? I mean ... who would even THINK to look in Mexico, right? It's much easier to hide out in the US but I bet in Mexico, no one even knows about this case. Easy way to hide, but this is just my opinion.

IDK but do you have the link for the business page ? someone paraphrased a FB post about going to "mexico beach" and another poster pointed out that there is a Mexico Beach in Florida -- I am just curious to know more about this -- as maybe a flight from AZ to FL would have a layover in INDY? :waitasec:
 
I think a mod needs to close thread 12
so I will alert my own post here?

Did anyone alert the posters over there? lol

I hope I did not just time myself out by doing this :(
 
Not sure if I am allowed to post this...if not I will delete.

A poster on another forum went by both HomeGate hotels today. San Pedro and Fiesta.

They both have the same star pattern duvet covers. She was told they are phasing out the bedspreads in all of their hotels because duvet covers are easier to wash.
 
Did anyone hear about this yet???
http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...ing-claiming-Baby/MjR0_sgZtk-TqUkNDUSB0w.cspx
A woman from Wisconsin claims to have gone to San Antonio on Jan 1st and adopted a baby she calls "Baby Gabriel"!!!!!!!!!

That would be a miracle if comes true!!

yes, I think we are pretty sure this is not connected

Actually, I don't think this has been ruled out by LE yet.

I thought that was debunked by her IP address, and the baby ended up being 15 months old.

Mel

I heard their baby was only 15 days old..amazing all the different stories reported!

I've seen new articles stating it's being investigated. Could be shoddy reporting.


According to BH blog she herself contacted this woman and she stated that it was a little boy just over two weeks old. I am sure LE has looked into this I know at some point someone sent the info to LE. They may very well be verifing the information or whatever.

(I am torn about posting this link I have been told not to post without a link yet the link is to an innocent person. SO....)
http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/labels/Baby Gabriel.html
 
Does she really think her life is that interesting?

I think she does for some reason that I can't fathom. Though the current situation is doing nothing to break her of those illusions. Although I think her motivating factors are the money, and the chance to play the "poor me" part for pity. JMO.
 
IDK but do you have the link for the business page ? someone paraphrased a FB post about going to "mexico beach" and another poster pointed out that there is a Mexico Beach in Florida -- I am just curious to know more about this -- as maybe a flight from AZ to FL would have a layover in INDY? :waitasec:

Yep, there is a Mexico Beach in the Florida panhandle. I think it's either in Walton county or Okaloosa. I will have to google it. I do know it's a very small community.
 
Is anyone here keeping up with Tammi's FB?

I've checked periodically on my BlackBerry (Can't access FB from work) but I'm only seeing her postings about a missing baby, his description and picture and where to call if you know anything. (The last one was about 2 hours ago)
But BlackBerry access is limited, so I don't know if I'm seeing everything she might be doing.
 
According to BH blog she herself contacted this woman and she stated that it was a little boy just over two weeks old. I am sure LE has looked into this I know at some point someone sent the info to LE. They may very well be verifing the information or whatever.

(I am torn about posting this link I have been told not to post without a link yet the link is to an innocent person. SO....)
http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/labels/Baby Gabriel.html

I know that I am still confused -- but thanks for copying all of those quotes --
 
Thank you for this link.

It gave me the hope, even if just a glimmer, that precious Gabriel may still be alive.
And trust me, only helping the ones with money, that is not the norm. What the woman in Atlanta does is similar to what I do, although I don't make them come to me and I don't care about finances.
These orgs exist, some legit, some shady. But they are out there and Gabe could be moving through one now, although it would likely be a shady group if they still had him.
 
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