AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[TxLady2]

If JM's Mom is blood related to Becky then JM is blood related as well.
I thought PattyG said she was related to Becky, right?
Unless she means that JM's mom was married to someone in Becky's family and then divorced and remarried JM's dad.

Lordy, I don't know!! I'm confused. I thought she meant that she remarried someone related to Becky. Maybe I need my glasses changed.

 

[Patty G]

Then, technically he is a step cousin.... not blood related at all.

And before anybody jumps all over me for saying that, we have step relatives in our family and we don't distinguish them from the blood relatives. I do understand the dynamics of blended families. Just sayin'... he is not blood kin and that could matter, in the end.

I can't go into specifics, but JM is not a step-cousin, he is a cousin to Isa. JM is blood to Isa on JM's mother's side of the family before she married into the M family. Of course, JM remains a blood cousin to Isa even after his mother married a M.

The family dynamtics is complicated. This information is verified and it should stay as it is - JM is a blood- cousin to Isa.

ETA: There are times last names CAN change for a child when a parent marries again!

 

[Gracelin]

Last nights fund raiser, S.C. sings for Isa ..Ava Maria.

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Could this possibly have something to do with Sergio owing money to people that he shouldn't be owing money too, and Isabel was kidnapped as a result of this? He is offering a large reward for her return. I'm wondering if he got mixed up with the wrong people. In Mexico.

The Celis family has pretty much made their lives an open book to the local. national and international media since this case has garnered world wide attention.

They clearly said they have never had to borrow money from anyone .......not even from close family members.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the Celis family hangs out with the wrong crowd. In fact from what we have learned they seem to be an all American family living the Amercian dream.

They both have good jobs. Sergio is very active in the local Opera performances and he coaches Little League baseball.All three children are very active in baseball including Isa. Becky from all that know her said she and Sergio are wonderful people and excellent parents who are very involved in their lives.

IMO

 

[Shelby2]

But see, that's just it. Why would LE come out and say something that seems to make them look incapable or duped in any way? I can only imagine them saying this in such an ironic, sarcastic, whatever you want to call it way, to show the perp that they REALLY are not duped but rather 'this person did such a clean, professional job that it's almost not possible.' To me, and again, I could be wrong, they are saying it's not possible that it's NOT an inside job (or that's she's even abducted at all.)

IDK why they said that-but they know that EVERY time they talk to the media-
They are talking to the perp.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Last nights fund raiser, S.C. sings for Isa ..Ava Maria.

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

OMG! This case has made me cry so many tears for this family.

God bless them all and may Isa return home to them safe and sound.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LE said that EVERYONE is a POI in this case. And that includes the parents. And as such, they are open to scrutiny. Especially since, when kids go missing, it's usually a family member or someone close with the family who is responsible.

If LE said that NOBODY was a POI then, well, that's a different story.

MOO


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But no where have they named the parents by name as POIs. The entire population in Tucson are POIs in this case.

Actually, I could list a page full of cases that had these same set of circumstances happen where the parents werent involved.

What some parents have done has no bearing on this case. Every case is individual just like they are in every case.

We cant take a widebrush and paint them all the same because they ARENT all the same.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can understand this feeling, but I guarantee that in most cases, there are things that the family knows that we don't know, and things that they have told LE over time that we don't know and may never know. Memory is a tricky thing, sometimes we think something happened one way but another person remembers it a different way. Or details come to us that we didn't think of the first time we were asked.

Neither one of the parents give me any kind of hinky feeling, because IMO, it's not fair to judge a parent in this situation without some real reason. And I mean something other than a person closing their eyes, or their voice breaking. I always ask myself, how would I come across to the public if I were thrown into a situation like this.

I see comments all the time regarding them not crying or showing emotions in these interviews. Strong emotions cannot be sustained over an extended period of time. It's been 2 weeks, the tears are drying up, the shock is wearing off, and now comes the numbness, where they are just going through the motions of being alive while their daughter could be laying out there dead somewhere. How could we expect them to stay the same, day after day? It's impossible.

I need a post of the day icon. Thank you wasnt enough.

Not one shred of evidence has come out about Isa's parents. Not one bad word has been said by anyone.

All the criticizing parents about the way they dress, speak, act, cry, has been done many times over to absolutely totally innocent grieving parents. When they needed the support of everyone they didnt have it on the internet but to me that is trivial and is a 'so what?'

They have a strong support system from people that actually knows them as the Celis' family has in Isa's case. That is what they need and that is what they have, thank God.

IMO

 

[LisaB]

Yes, there is something wrong with the blue floor plan. There's no door shown for the bedroom off the living room, and an odd box (too small to be a bathroom; not typical drafting symbol that I'm aware of). Also no bathroom or closet access off that room. I don't think that's an accurate plan at all. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a filed floor plan on the assessor's site (which I find odd. Every home I've purchased here and many I've looked to purchase all have had floor plans, even if outdated).

I can't speak for every jurisdiction, but in Maryland there is free access to SOME real property data, but not (usually) floor plans.

I have owned a couple of homes, but am speaking more from my experiences as a drafter. I have worked for both civil engineers and architects, and often am required to pull deeds and plats to create a drawing. I can look up the ownership of a parcel of land by any of a number of criteria, can find who bought it from whom and for how much (plus prior 2) and what the taxes are. There is ALMOST ALWAYS a deed referenced as well. This deed may be accompanied by a "location drawing" which is really just an outline (footprint) of any structures on the lot and their approximate locations. There may also be referenced a subdivision plat, which would show when the subject parcel was separated (administartively) from a larger parcel, at some point in the past.

I think around here, most builders consider their building plans (costruction set) to be their intellectual property. If they provided plans online, anyone couls hire another contractor to build that home for them. If they are available at all, it is for a price.

In fact, I do not have plans of any sort for the home I currently own. I wish I did, as I would not have to take the time to measure everything to work up a drawing for purposes of placing furniture. It has been modified by a prior owner, turning 2 small bedrooms into a master suite, but there's no record of that either (I strongly suspect no permits were issued for any of it, as it certainly could not have passed an inspection).

:moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yep, the dogs must have been drinking while listening to their iPods with their earbuds. They didn't hear anything.

:rocker::rocker:

:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

"Whoever is involved did an adequate job of really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at."
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/police-say-whoever-did-this-did-an-adequate-job/

Reasons why a person would stage a crime scene:
- to redirect the investigation away from the most logical suspect (in this case = the family or extended family), or
- to protect the victim or the victim’s family.

:seeya: Thank You for this update ...

Interesting ...

:moo:

 

[LisaB]

I speak about my son in the past tense, 'he was', etc. He is deceased, he was killed in a motor vehicle accident. That doesn't make me guilty of his death.

The notable difference is that you are AWARE he is deceased. That is your (unfortunate) reality. For a parent who can not find their child to immediately assume they are deceased is believed to indicate that this mother too knows her child has passed.

In short, you are not GUILTY of your son's death, but you are AWARE that he is dead.

 

[4csjk]

Can you link me to that story please? I must have missed it. The dogs could have heard even with an Ipod, it really depends what they were listening to. Do YOU know their playlist? AND how many have they had to drink? I can't believe this family allows their dogs to drink. AND they close their eyes on camera AND answer questions badly. :maddening:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[liz b.]

:seeya: Thank You for this update ...

Interesting ...

:moo:

Wonder if the person or persons responsible for disappearing Isabel did an adequate cover up in the dark ?

ETA : I can't really buy an accident happening in the home. BC is a seasoned pediatric nurse. She would have summoned help/ 911...MOO And I really,really can't buy that SC knows what happened,but BC does not know ? They have known each other forever. If he was keeping something so vitally important from her,she would know...MOO

I don't think the immediate family is involved. MOO

 

[LisaB]

(snip) I am hoping that there is some touch DNA pulled from her bedding etc. But, like the possible prints on the window screen, window frame and blinds, I'm wondering if : either there are no unidentifiable prints, or there are unidentifiable prints,but the prints are just not in any database. The prints of ,say, a minor, would likely not be in any database.

I still feel that the guy in the video,who was hiding behind that wall when those people walked by, is important to this case. It could well have been someone who lives close to Isabel, and who likes to go out "night crawling ". Video wasn't shown as a "mistake" . MOO

JMO

On my way to work today I heard a report of the apprehension of a guy who was responsible for at least 100 break-ins. He would sneak into the house, grab what he could, and leave the scene in a go-kart (of all ways to attract attention... really? And it took a YEAR to find him??). He was 14 years old. Before anyone says a kid could not have "outsmarted" LE in the Celis case, bear this one in mind. (not addressing liz b., addressing those who may disagree).

Also, since they never did come back with the right tape, and nothing in the tape suggests that it was actually from Sunday AM (quite the opposite actually) I tend to agree. At the least, they should have stated that they returned to the church and found the correct video had been taped over (or whatever).

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Wonder if the person or persons responsible for disappearing Isabel did an adequate cover up in the dark ?

:seeya:

BBM: Yes ... an "adequate cover-up" in the "darkness of night" ... now how in the world" could a "stranger" -- get rid of any and all evidence, trace evidence, etc. ? ? ?


snipped from : http://www.kvoa.com/videos/police-say-whoever-did-this-did-an-adequate-job/

Here is the full quote from Lt. Fabian Pacheco :

"Whoever is involved did an adequate job of really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at."


BBM: JMO and MOO, but my "interpretation" is that whoever did this, knew what they were doing as well as knew what to dispose of so that LE would NOT find it ...

JMO and :moo::moo::moo:

 

[leighmarker]

Did I just read that there is no description of the clothes Isa was last wearing?

I thought I heard NG talk about the clothes she was last seen wearing as a tank top and shorts, and NG thought it was strange for a child not to be in Pj's.

 

[Prof]

The only thing that confuses me about this claim, that they had no financial problems, is the alleged foreclosure just over a year ago. How does one get foreclosed upon, then jump immediately into a new home, without borrowing money or getting a loan or some financial help?


ETA: Am I confusing cases or was there info about the Celis having a recent foreclosure posted upthread?

I am not sure.

I can easily find the county public records that show the Celis' bought their current home in 2006
here
http://www.recorder.pima.gov/

looks like they did it through a major bank

and in 2005 they had a reconveyance deed from what I assume is their previous house?

 

[liz b.]

:seeya:

BBM: Yes ... an "adequate cover-up" in the "darkness of night" ... now how in the world" could a "stranger" -- get rid of any and all evidence, trace evidence, etc. ? ? ?


snipped from : http://www.kvoa.com/videos/police-say-whoever-did-this-did-an-adequate-job/

Here is the full quote from Lt. Fabian Pacheco :

"Whoever is involved did an adequate job of really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at."


BBM: JMO and MOO, but my "interpretation" is that whoever did this, knew what they were doing as well as knew what to dispose of so that LE would NOT find it ...

JMO and :moo::moo::moo:

It is all about TIME... MOO Who would have the water to harm a child in her home,or abduct her, and then stop to take the time to disguise/hide any possible trace of their presence ? In the middle of the night ?

I can't really envision a plausible scenario right now... unless there were other people staying at the house that night... MOO

Also, is LE saying that they have NO useful forensic results, because the perp did an adequate job of covering everything up ??? How can this ever be solved ??

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Last nights fund raiser, S.C. sings for Isa ..Ava Maria.

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

JMO and MOO ...

:moo::moo: