AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 7

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Do we have concrete info regarding what the maiden name is of the mother?

IIRC, I saw posts early on where there were photos of the family at a head-stone for a person with the last name beginning with an "S".

It is very possible that the mother maybe bi-racial and took her mother's surname and not her father's (Rodriguez).
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. I think they should look at her older brother's friends and acquaintances.

Also, did they say if anything else was missing from the home?

They haven't stated one way or another if anything was missing.
 
No, I don't think it would make sense that they would identify any witness. They have not identified any witness.
In fact every witness in this case has self-identified.
The uncle
The grandfather
The coworker
The coach
The neighbor with dogs
Other neighbors
Jim Moore
and on
LE never identified any witness in any of the press conferences.
In the press conference Friday LE stated they got permission from others in video to release in their wish for Isa to be found over their own privacy.

bbm

What does your last statement mean? My understanding only one person came forward and self identified themselves. I've only seen one video. Did the others come forward to say it was ok to release the video or is it the owner of the video that gave permission in an effort to generate leads?

I'm hoping today's PC will have some REAL answers and not the usual can't comment.
 
I first thought it was a door opening or a shadow. But to me it looks as if someone is standing and the other guy goes to look if the folks are gone then at the very end of the video it looks to me like the figure that is standing where this window is actually then puts the upper part of his body into the window. Prior to that he looks like he is frozen or hiding by leaning into the area by this windpw //////////

THere is no window where the figure is in the video. It's the parking lot in the back of the office max.
The photo with the trailer in it was from 2008. It's probably not even there any more.
In the video you can see that the figure is in front of the wall that runs up the other side of the parking lot.
 
I missed this video the other day (4/25) but just watched and noticed at 1:16 the dog in the yard of the Celis home.
Also at 1:42 a report of a young neighbor being questioned by LE who then went to the Celis house with his father and went in and out of the courtyard when they aren't there? Weird vibe about that. You can hear the LE officer questioning them outside the courtyard door. She says "Do you live here or what are you doing here?"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tu...ce-videos-hold/story?id=16210060#.T5z0UKttqSo

Yes, i wonder who those people where? Also after listening again to the neighbour, she sounds so sure Isa was with these man. @ 1:25 "I think she was comfortable to go with them cause i didn't hear her"
 
Do we have concrete info regarding what the maiden name is of the mother?

IIRC, I saw posts early on where there were photos of the family at a head-stone for a person with the last name beginning with an "S".

It is very possible that the mother maybe bi-racial and took her mother's surname and not her father's (Rodriguez).

Yes, I have concrete info Becky's maiden name is Snyder. I found her and Sergio's marriage license record with her maiden name listed. It's also possible Hector Rodriquez is Becky's step-father.

Case Number: L99330
File Date: 5/13/1997

Party Information
Party Full Name-Party Role-Name Type
SERGIO DAVID CELIS-Groom-True
REBECCA LAURA SNYDER-Bride-True

http://www.cosc.co.pima.az.us/home.asp?Include=pages/record_search.htm
 
Hello, everyone. Thanks for all the great visuals. I joined WS during the Jorelys Rivera case because I am very local to that, and this case has had my attention, but I didn't want to reply until I read all the threads so I can enter caught - up.

I have a few cents to throw in.
I notice that in many replies, we are saying things like "I think it was someone known to the family because they knew the dogs wouldn't bark", and that, IMO, is not at all proven. For example, maybe the perp had no idea if the Celis family had dogs or not, and took the chance. Maybe everyone on that road knows the dogs bark at every passerby and passing bar patron and squirrel or cat passing every night, so they assumed one more barking episode at night wouldn't wake the family in panic. Maybe they had witnessed the dogs roaming the neighborhood and knew that even though they bark, they are stranger-friendly. I haven't heard anyone say directly, "the dogs always bark at noise at night and this night there was zero barking." we just don't know.

The uncle is not hinky to me. Does he seem a little Kato-like, sporty, maybe immature? Umm yes. But he also seems well socialized, friends of both sexes (per fb), laid back, not apparently into creepy stuff (Shawn Adkins type)..sometimes the goofy, fun uncle really is just the goofy fun uncle. Also, the family does not seem the type to allow unsavory characters too close, they seem responsible with their careers, they seem like involved parents, not likely to let the man stay so close if they didn't trust him, and I have seen no reason to doubt their judgement. On IS vs. WAS, IMO if someone says, for example, "she was always playing, friendly to everyone..." vs. "is always playing..."that doesn't mean they didn't say IS because now she's dead, it means they didn't say IS because now she's missing or kidnapped or GONE.

Last quick thing.. As a bluish eyed, medium brown haired Cuban American, I get mistaken for "gringa" all day, every day. Highly annoying. Latinos come in all colors, from the lightest person you can imagine, to the darkest. Latinos are mistaken for caucasian and African American all the time. We don't know his race, and with multiple marriages, step families, etc, a last name doesn't give it away.if you separate his last name into 2, you get a Hispanic last name, anyways. There are so many interracial families that I automatically get defensive when there is an feeling of someone "not belonging" to a family because his or her skin doesn't match.

In these cases, we root for the parents, we want them cleared, at the same time, if it was an inside job, we will feel just a little safer knowing that it wasn't a random window kidnapper...I just don't see any kind of good ending but miracles happen.
 
In the quote you provided, Nancy changes the wording. Moore says THE, Nancy says HIS when repeating the statement.

Yes, I do understand that. I thought I was being corrected when it was just a comparison of what Moore stated and how Nancy changed it!
 
Hello, everyone. Thanks for all the great visuals. I joined WS during the Jorelys Rivera case because I am very local to that, and this case has had my attention, but I didn't want to reply until I read all the threads so I can enter caught - up.

I have a few cents to throw in.
I notice that in many replies, we are saying things like "I think it was someone known to the family because they knew the dogs wouldn't bark", and that, IMO, is not at all proven. For example, maybe the perp had no idea if the Celis family had dogs or not, and took the chance. Maybe everyone on that road knows the dogs bark at every passerby and passing bar patron and squirrel or cat passing every night, so they assumed one more barking episode at night wouldn't wake the family in panic. Maybe they had witnessed the dogs roaming the neighborhood and knew that even though they bark, they are stranger-friendly. I haven't heard anyone say directly, "the dogs always bark at noise at night and this night there was zero barking." we just don't know.

The uncle is not hinky to me. Does he seem a little Kato-like, sporty, maybe immature? Umm yes. But he also seems well socialized, friends of both sexes (per fb), laid back, not apparently into creepy stuff (Shawn Adkins type)..sometimes the goofy, fun uncle really is just the goofy fun uncle. Also, the family does not seem the type to allow unsavory characters too close, they seem responsible with their careers, they seem like involved parents, not likely to let the man stay so close if they didn't trust him, and I have seen no reason to doubt their judgement. On IS vs. WAS, IMO if someone says, for example, "she was always playing, friendly to everyone..." vs. "is always playing..."that doesn't mean they didn't say IS because now she's dead, it means they didn't say IS because now she's missing or kidnapped or GONE.

Last quick thing.. As a bluish eyed, medium brown haired Cuban American, I get mistaken for "gringa" all day, every day. Highly annoying. Latinos come in all colors, from the lightest person you can imagine, to the darkest. Latinos are mistaken for caucasian and African American all the time. We don't know his race, and with multiple marriages, step families, etc, a last name doesn't give it away.if you separate his last name into 2, you get a Hispanic last name, anyways. There are so many interracial families that I automatically get defensive when there is an feeling of someone "not belonging" to a family because his or her skin doesn't match.

In these cases, we root for the parents, we want them cleared, at the same time, if it was an inside job, we will feel just a little safer knowing that it wasn't a random window kidnapper...I just don't see any kind of good ending but miracles happen.

Teriffic post!

:welcome4:
 
Why would drugs have to be involved? It could easily be someone close to the fam or a perp who watched for a while without drugs being involved.
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Maybe not drugs, who knows! But I found this story yesterday about 4 dead children in Mexico and the oddest part was the last to paragraph's!


The bodies were discovered on Friday in shallow graves at a ranch named "Honey and Milk" about two miles (three kilometers) outside the town, which is in the municipality of Tacotalpa. Their faces had been covered with brown packing tape, which caused them to suffocate, the agency said in its statement issued Friday.

The motive for the killings remained unclear, but officials said there was no sign of organ trafficking.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/28/4-missing-children-found-suffocated-in-mexico/#ixzz1tRPeNJ93
 
I truly dont think there is anything in this family's life that would make someone kidnap their lovely daughter from her bedroom.

I dont see drugs as a motive whatsoever nor do I even see them hanging around unsavory characters. They seemed to be a wonderful tight knit family. The all American family. Hard workers, great parents who are strong believers in God.

IMO, there is no connection between whomever did this to Isa's family. Her family would die for Isa..........and never harm a hair on her pretty head, imo.

I dont find the Uncle suspicious either. Countless Uncles love their nieces and nephews and children are very close to their uncles and aunts.

This family immedately came together to look for Isa.

I am hoping and praying that LE has more camera footage of the mysterous man in white.

The most interesting part of releasing the part of the video LE has is they DID NOT ask the mysterous man in white to come forward.

Imo, they wanted to know if the other five people saw him as they were walking.

IMO
 
Especially when we're talking THREE dogs, and dogs with a reputation for barking. Neighbors heard those dogs bark regularly...what perp would bet that all three dogs would be quiet at night?

A perp who had spent the night? A perp who knew the dogs didn't sleep near Isabel? A perp known to the dogs?

..respectfully, A perp who knew the dogs bark all the time anyways so it wouldnt scare the family, but weren't attack dogs?

My husky howl-talks at everything. I do not check on my kids when she howls at night, because she howls at wind, cats outside, neighbors coming in late, AIRPLANES... all this she hears from the living room.
 
I truly dont think there is anything in this family's life that would make someone kidnap their lovely daughter from her bedroom.

I dont see drugs as a motive whatsoever nor do I even see them hanging around unsavory characters. They seemed to be a wonderful tight knit family. The all American family. Hard workers, great parents who are strong believers in God.

IMO, there is no connection between whomever did this to Isa's family. Her family would die for Isa..........and never harm a hair on her pretty head, imo.

I dont find the Uncle suspicious either. Countless Uncles love their nieces and nephews and children are very close to their uncles and aunts.

This family immedately came together to look for Isa.

I am hoping and praying that LE has more camera footage of the mysterous man in white.

The most interesting part of releasing the part of the video LE has is they DID NOT ask the mysterous man in white to come forward.

Imo, they wanted to know if the other five people saw him as they were walking.

IMO

I couldn't agree more with this. This pretty much echos all my thoughts.

I would also like to add that I genuinely feel this is going to be the work of a sexual predator. :(
 
Hello, everyone. Thanks for all the great visuals. I joined WS during the Jorelys Rivera case because I am very local to that, and this case has had my attention, but I didn't want to reply until I read all the threads so I can enter caught - up.

I have a few cents to throw in.
I notice that in many replies, we are saying things like "I think it was someone known to the family because they knew the dogs wouldn't bark", and that, IMO, is not at all proven. For example, maybe the perp had no idea if the Celis family had dogs or not, and took the chance. Maybe everyone on that road knows the dogs bark at every passerby and passing bar patron and squirrel or cat passing every night, so they assumed one more barking episode at night wouldn't wake the family in panic. Maybe they had witnessed the dogs roaming the neighborhood and knew that even though they bark, they are stranger-friendly. I haven't heard anyone say directly, "the dogs always bark at noise at night and this night there was zero barking." we just don't know.

The uncle is not hinky to me. Does he seem a little Kato-like, sporty, maybe immature? Umm yes. But he also seems well socialized, friends of both sexes (per fb), laid back, not apparently into creepy stuff (Shawn Adkins type)..sometimes the goofy, fun uncle really is just the goofy fun uncle. Also, the family does not seem the type to allow unsavory characters too close, they seem responsible with their careers, they seem like involved parents, not likely to let the man stay so close if they didn't trust him, and I have seen no reason to doubt their judgement. On IS vs. WAS, IMO if someone says, for example, "she was always playing, friendly to everyone..." vs. "is always playing..."that doesn't mean they didn't say IS because now she's dead, it means they didn't say IS because now she's missing or kidnapped or GONE.

Last quick thing.. As a bluish eyed, medium brown haired Cuban American, I get mistaken for "gringa" all day, every day. Highly annoying. Latinos come in all colors, from the lightest person you can imagine, to the darkest. Latinos are mistaken for caucasian and African American all the time. We don't know his race, and with multiple marriages, step families, etc, a last name doesn't give it away.if you separate his last name into 2, you get a Hispanic last name, anyways. There are so many interracial families that I automatically get defensive when there is an feeling of someone "not belonging" to a family because his or her skin doesn't match.

In these cases, we root for the parents, we want them cleared, at the same time, if it was an inside job, we will feel just a little safer knowing that it wasn't a random window kidnapper...I just don't see any kind of good ending but miracles happen.

I agree with most of your post! The only response I would have is that it's also entirely possible that the dogs were locked in another room (maybe sleeping in the boys' room or parents room. I know my dog sleeps in my room at night or else who knows what kind of mayhem she will cause. She would probably sit at the door all night, scratching and whining. When I leave the house, I put her in her kennel. Another thought is maybe the dogs stay in the garage at night.

In any case, I think it's a very real possibility that someone the family is familiar with (whether they know them well or not is another story) knew their routine, knew their habits, knew what they did with the dogs at night--that person is the one who took Isa.
 
How many kids go missing from their bed that are found alive? Just curious.
 
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