Found Deceased AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 *Arrest* #26

[azshadowwalker]

Literally nothing going on with this case. No local media has said a word since the public vigil on the 5th of April. Maybe they will do something on the anniversary of her disappearance (and probably her death) next week. It's not looking good, as far as a resolution, IMO. Very sad, regardless of who is responsible.

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[Gunslinging Granny]

Did the surveillance camera's field of view also include the Celises' garage door?

There were several surveillance cameras inadvertently pointed at the Celis' home. It's unknown if neighbors had other surveillance cameras besides these two known cameras. This photo came from Nancy Grace's show.

and how clearly the garage was in the video.

 

[diamond12]

How well could the Moore Security camera "see" Isa's home in the front? there is a 2 stories house in between. Just checking on google maps.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

How well could the Moore Security camera "see" Isa's home in the front? there is a 2 stories house in between. Just checking on google maps.

You can watch their surveillance videos.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...eo-shows-celis-home-on-night-of-disappearance

In the nearly 10 hours of footage, The Tuson News Now never saw any sign of Isabel or anybody outside her bedroom window.

 

[MsMarple]

You can watch their surveillance videos.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...eo-shows-celis-home-on-night-of-disappearance

In the nearly 10 hours of footage, The Tuson News Now never saw any sign of Isabel or anybody outside her bedroom window.

Wow! That's pretty damning, eh?

 

[StrayKat]

Aren't those cameras motion activated?

 

[rashomon]

Interesting in that context: only a few weeks after Isabels disappearance, S. Celis said he now was "not sure anymore" that the intruder got in through Isabel's bedroom window:

'Isabel's window: a key clue or false trail?'

https://youtu.be/XzZBp9d0T78


Excerpts:
[Anchorwoman]: "Now another comment that Sergio Celis made during the interview is getting a lot of attention: When asked why he still believes an intruder got in through Isabel's bedroom window, he said he just does'n't know anymore. Early in the investigation, you might remember, police revealed that window was open and the screen removed."

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[Speaker] "In the news conference today, Sergio Celis said he first thought she was removed through a window, but now he's not so confident."

[Sergio C]: "I will say initially, but then after, you know, more investigation, uh, I won't go too far about that - I'm just not sure anymore, and that's as far as I think I should [I couldn't understand following word - it might have been "probably" or "publicly"] speak about that."

[Speaker]: "In this afternoon press briefing, police said they did pay special attention to the window:"

[SGT. Maria H.] "There were some suspicious circumstances associated with the window to the house, where we can't confirm if that's a point of entry or exit. And so as you can imagine there's a variety of other ways to get in and out of the house, so we're examining all possible - all possibilities. "


If the alleged "intruder" didn't come in through Isabel's bedroom window, then someone else must have removed the screen and opened the window.
So if the bedroom window was in constant view of the surveillance camera, then wouldn't this "other person" have been captured on camera while they were at the window doing that?

 

[diamond12]

rashomon I saw that too and I thought it was interesting.
I asked the same thing some days ago, whoever removed the window screen should be seen on the tapes. Yet no mention of anything about it, that's what confused me about those tapes.

 

[liz b.]

Interesting in that context: only a few weeks after Isabels disappearance, S. Celis said he now was "not sure anymore" that the intruder got in through Isabel's bedroom window:

'Isabel's window: a key clue or false trail?'

https://youtu.be/XzZBp9d0T78


Excerpts:
[Anchorwoman]: "Now another comment that Sergio Celis made during the interview is getting a lot of attention: When asked why he still believes an intruder got in through Isabel's bedroom window, he said he just does'n't know anymore. Early in the investigation, you might remember, police revealed that window was open and the screen removed."

<...>
[Speaker] "In the news conference today, Sergio Celis said he first thought she was removed through a window, but now he's not so confident."

[Sergio C]: "I will say initially, but then after, you know, more investigation, uh, I won't go too far about that - I'm just not sure anymore, and that's as far as I think I should [I couldn't understand following word - it might have been "probably" or "publicly"] speak about that."

[Speaker]: "In this afternoon press briefing, police said they did pay special attention to the window:"

[SGT. Maria H.] "There were some suspicious circumstances associated with the window to the house, where we can't confirm if that's a point of entry or exit. And so as you can imagine there's a variety of other ways to get in and out of the house, so we're examining all possible - all possibilities. "


If the alleged "intruder" didn't come in through Isabel's bedroom window, then someone else must have removed the screen and opened the window.
So if the bedroom window was in constant view of the surveillance camera, then wouldn't this "other person" have been captured on camera while they were at the window doing that?

What if the screen was removed from inside the bedroom ? i.e. someone inside pushed the screen out. I think this would cause the screen to buckle a bit . Was it buckled anyplace ? It would have to be very high resolution video to show this taking place. jmo, though.

 

[StrayKat]

Are the videos 10 hours nonstop or are they just clips? Also, since there were multiple cameras on Moore security were all videos released? Please point me to the video that shows her window.

 

[rashomon]

How well could the Moore Security camera "see" Isa's home in the front? there is a 2 stories house in between. Just checking on google maps.

Diamond:

You're right about the house in between the Moore Security camera and East 12th Street, as this screen shot clearly shows:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=114906&d=1492135460

And when one looks at the other (the Office Max) camera's field of view, it includes the master bedroom wall of the Celis home, but not Isabel's bedroom window, which is located on the other side of the house (the den is in the lower right hand corner of the Celis house as pictured in the screen shot, the next room (in direction toward East 12th Street) is Isabel's bedroom. The Office Max camera doesn't capture the view to the windows of these rooms.

 

[watcher9]

The walled fence around the house would also block any views of Isabel's window. Sometimes I see a house with the screen fallen off the window and wonder how long it had been that way? Could the screen have been that way from sometime earlier and it was hidden by the fence so no one noticed it down until Isabel turned up missing?

So sad to see all the Isa missing signs hanging along the fence on Google July 16 2016 map walk with the little man.

 

[SweetT]

Just came on hoping for some updates on this. I dont recall a lot of this case except that she had been to a ball game and then came up missing. Her dad slept in LR that night. Hope they come up with something soon.

 

[diamond12]

Thank you rashomon.
I've always been puzzled about the whole "cameras don't show anything" thing and the importance given to the Moore security camera, they point to the house in front of Isabel's one. How can they catch anything related to her house, I have no idea. They can only show activity shown in the street there, but I have yet to see a camera showing Isabel's window.
I thought maybe I wasn't understanding the whole thing, but after looking on Google maps I saw something wasn't right. The building where Moore security was is one story, the house is front is 2, it blocks the view.

This image (Source: Moore Security Solutions) in fact shows the house I wrote about, not where Isabel lived:


Imagine from Google maps:


If I got this all wrong please correct me

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.220...4!1sUhocprNLp7aOr-_EZdKwyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Thank you rashomon.
I've always been puzzled about the whole "cameras don't show anything" thing and the importance given to the Moore security camera, they point to the house in front of Isabel's one. How can they catch anything related to her house, I have no idea. They can only show activity shown in the street there, but I have yet to see a camera showing Isabel's window.


I thought maybe I wasn't understanding the whole thing, but after looking on Google maps I saw something wasn't right. The building where Moore security was is one story, the house is front is 2, it blocks the view.

This image (Source: Moore Security Solutions) in fact shows the house I wrote about, not where Isabel lived:

Imagine from Google maps:

If I got this all wrong please correct me

Now I'm all turned around.
The home between the Celis' home and Moore's Security Solutions (with the cameras) has half of it as a two-story house. The other half of the home is one story. Cameras posted on Moore's Security Solution's roof would be able to see the area between Isabel's window and the Celis' fence.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.220...4!1sJG2IVBcxmvP3x_7RD8pjTA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

This is a better photo. Moore's Security Solutions (in the strip mall on Broadway Blvd ( but no longer located there) had security cameras pointing straight down the Celis' fence line (the fence outside Isabel's window). They had many security cameras. One camera was placed there to pick up activity in the parking lot behind the strip mall. The Celis' home is the house on the left on E.12th St.

 

[diamond12]

The Moore security is on the front side of the Celis' home, for sure it can't show the garages. I'm not entirely sure if it can properly show the area with Isabel's window, I guess it depends how the camera was pointed.
Yes you are right one half of the house is one story (I expressed myself wrongly, sorry) but still I don't think the camera can have a super clear vision of the front part of the home.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

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Many of the businesses in that strip mall (where Sports Clips is located) likely had security cameras on the roof (or up high making tampering difficult for thieves). These inadvertently captured activity or no activity outside Isabel's window.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

The Moore security is on the front side of the Celis' home, for sure it can't show the garages. I'm not entirely sure if it can properly show the area with Isabel's window, I guess it depends how the camera was pointed.
Yes you are right one half of the house is one story (I expressed myself wrongly, sorry) but still I don't think the camera can have a super clear vision of the front part of the home.

I agree. Moore's Security Solutions cameras were likely not able to pick up any activity near the Celis' garage, but I'll bet other stores in that strip mall had security cameras that did and of any cars driving on 12th St. that night. There would be no obstructions to seeing the Celis' garages from some security cameras on the back of the strip mall as there's nothing to occlude the cameras' sight across the parking lot.

Moore's Security Solutions did have a camera on the alley between the Celis' home and the Office Max parking lot.