AZ AZ - Pima Canyon, WhtFem UP7228, 16-20, oddly-developed mandible, Oct'65

[madamx]

I just submitted Ida as a match for the decedent. I will let you know if I hear anything back.

Oh great ! Yes keep us posted!

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I just submitted Ida as a match for the decedent. I will let you know if I hear anything back.

Did you get any response?

 

[DS2021]

Did you get any response?

Unfortunately I have not heard back from anyone at NamUs

 

[theshadow45]

Pima Canyon Jane Doe has been unidentified for 57 years today.

 

[carbuff]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Exclusions. There's nothing new since the last update in 2018.

Carol Batterman 1939 Oklahoma
Sharon Giusti 1943 Washington
Mary Little 1940 Georgia
Lynn Luray 1948 California
Maria Ruthling, Maricopa AZ
Bertha Smith, Maricopa AZ
Mary Ann Switalski 1946 Illinois
Diane Webb 1942 Arizona
Grace Zoeller, Maricopa AZ

No new exclusions. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[SimsGuy67]

Plenty of people thing this MP could be Little Miss X still but could Pinky Redman be this Doe instead? Not sure if this is an automatic rule out since DNA is available in both cases. Can someone let me know if both DNA samples are in CODIS?

I will list her last known location as Williams, AZ as that is where her boyfriend's car was found. I'm trying a new format of table without the 4th column:

	Tuscon Jane Doe (1965) UP7228	Pinky Marie Redman MP1475
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	16-20	14
Height	Estimated 5'3"	5'2"
Weight	Unknown	105lbs
Hair Color	Unknown	Blond/Strawberry
Eye Color	Unknown	Blue
Distinctive Features	Lower Jaw undeveloped on right side causing mouth to close crooked.	Unknown/None
D.O.D or D.L.C	1960-1964	March 1, 1958
Circumstances	Found in desert are outside Tucson.	Went missing with her boyfriend, Mike Griffin.
Distance	Williams-Tucson	286miles (4hr 13min)

I honestly can't tell if Pinky had a similar jaw development issue. Let me know what you think though!

 

[SimsGuy67]

No new exclusions. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Is Mary Little meant to be Mary Shotwell Little? This is the only Mary Little on NamUs and the only Mary Little I can find.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Plenty of people thing this MP could be Little Miss X still but could Pinky Redman be this Doe instead? Not sure if this is an automatic rule out since DNA is available in both cases. Can someone let me know if both DNA samples are in CODIS?

I will list her last known location as Williams, AZ as that is where her boyfriend's car was found. I'm trying a new format of table without the 4th column:

	Tuscon Jane Doe (1965) UP7228	Pinky Marie Redman MP1475
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	16-20	14
Height	Estimated 5'3"	5'2"
Weight	Unknown	105lbs
Hair Color	Unknown	Blond/Strawberry
Eye Color	Unknown	Blue
Distinctive Features	Lower Jaw undeveloped on right side causing mouth to close crooked.	Unknown/None
D.O.D or D.L.C	1960-1964	March 1, 1958
Circumstances	Found in desert are outside Tucson.	Went missing with her boyfriend, Mike Griffin.
Distance	Williams-Tucson	286miles (4hr 13min)

I honestly can't tell if Pinky had a similar jaw development issue. Let me know what you think though!

Sounds like a promising potential match to me, I hope you submitted it.

 

[DS2021]

I would love to see NCMEC do a modern facial approximation for this doe. Anyone know how to go about doing that?

 

[SimsGuy67]

Sounds like a promising potential match to me, I hope you submitted it.

I didn't as I decided the mandible was enough to rule Pinky out. I have now submitted this match after finding out that Pinky's distinctive characteristics are listed as "Unknown", not "None" as I'd expect.

 

[SimsGuy67]

The match was already considered and when submitted to LE, they basically said "No matching identifiers, we are just going to leave it there and do nothing about it.". Uhhhh no? This Doe and Pinky have DNA available. I am emailing the area director as this is a factual error on their part. I heavily respect Doe Netowork but I won't accept misinformation. Also yes they explicitly stated this Doe had no DNA available. Here is the quoted email:
"Doe Network has previously submitted this match to law enforcement and received the following comment:
No DNA per uid or dental per mp is available there is no way to rule this out."

742UFAZ

 

[SimsGuy67]

It has been about a week since I sent that email. I got a reply that said it would be forwarded but that's about it. I hope they can get back soon or clear it up as I thought this could be an easy rule out or in.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Oh! I get it now. The match between Pinky and this Doe was submitted to LE a long, long time ago when DNA wasn't available. Between then and now they got DNA for this Doe. Nobody was wrong, just outdated information. The match is being reviewed in January! I got an email this morning.

 

[SimsGuy67]

@Caring1 has any more exclusions been added since February?

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 has any more exclusions been added since February?

No new exclusions. There are still the same 9 listed.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Tucson Jane Doe at the Doe Network:
742UFAZ

Tucson Jane Doe at NamUs:

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[SimsGuy67]

I assume thanks to my submission, Pinky has been ruled out as being the Jane Doe. NamUs will add it soon.
EDIT: I think they actually have already. Her NamUs was updated today.

 

[Caring1]

I assume thanks to my submission, Pinky has been ruled out as being the Jane Doe. NamUs will add it soon.
EDIT: I think they actually have already. Her NamUs was updated today.

Yes, you are right. Donnis Redman has been added as an exclusion.

10 exclusions total now.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

4 Possible Matches for Tucson Jane Doe that I could find:

Audrey Jean Backeberg
163DFIN - Audrey Jean Backeberg

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Linda Kay Britton
3394DFOH - Linda Kay Britton

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Ruth Muriel Egnoski
2645DFWI - Ruth Muriel Egnoski

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Phyllis Marie Corbin
4021DFMO - Phyllis Marie Corbin

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[Hochman]

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Added October 11, 2023