ACtually the boy is 9 and turns 10 at the end of the year. But is there really a difference between 9 and 10...when this child particularly has not been able to go to school, go to Sunday School,interact with other children, or have any other outlet to mature and grow at the same rate as other children.
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ACtually the boy is 9 and turns 10 at the end of the year. But is there really a difference between 9 and 10...when this child particularly has not been able to go to school, go to Sunday School,interact with other children, or have any other outlet to mature and grow at the same rate as other children.
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New documents that echo the same legal laziness of several months ago.
If Roca was a real judge in a large city he would have been forced to deal with this case in 2008. The boy deserves better. I wonder how many tee times Roca has missed with his other lazy-*advertiser censored* lawyer buddies, while young Romero's life dangles in limbo? My guess is zero.
A dedicated judge is needed, and warranted! It appears that both defense and prosecution want a competent judge.
Roca is minor league. He's a DUI traffic court appointee who has never ran for office, has a shallow resume, yet he is in power to tranlate law in a compicated case. He's simply a low budget small world fill-in slacker who can't maintain a law practice without government funding.
While Justice suffers on both sides of the argument.
Tell the AZ Attorney General how you feel about Lady Justice draggin' her feet. Justice delayed is justice denied.
http://www.azag.gov/
This quack judge actually said in court "we'll schedule the whole day but if we don't need it then we have more time for golf"...he's a plain idiot.
This boy deserves a fair trial...
I personally don't pay any attention to the "evaluations." These people don't have a crystal ball to know whether someone is going to re-offend. For instance, the man in Cleveland in whose house all these bodies have been found, was evaluated in 2005 and found to be unlikely to ever rape again.
I can appreciate that, but the even happened when he was 8...whatever occurs should be based on that, right? He is a child, period!
I agree on the crystal ball, but one big difference was, one is an ADULT, the other is a CHILD. Let me ask you, would you take this same hard line say if it was a child in your family, or a close friend, or would you (of course) look for the REASONS why this may have happened?
I do not believe children are born evil, I believe it is learned behavior.
One is a child and the other is an adult-and so you think it's easier to evaluate what the child would do? There is not even much precedent for that sort of thing-how many 8 year olds do you know that are accused of shooting two people to death? How do you think somebody can evaluate what this child would do in a future?
And I will tell you one thing-if this were a child in my family, I sure wouldn't be lining up to raise the kid, if that is what you are trying to ask.
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Judge Roca isn't even a REAL judge.
It's 'pro tem' assigned after this case began
just sayin'
fran
It's 'pro tem' assigned after this case began
just sayin'
fran
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We have no idea what the "evaluations" say, so it would be impossible for any of us to "pay attention" to them. That freak in OH is a grown man, not a child. I fail to see a logical comparison.
If this child was determined to be a sociopath, he would already be locked up in some type of detention facility. He's not. It's clear to me the state of AZ has no clue how to handle this case - since day one. The longer they dally, the more likely it becomes he will re-offend. Maybe the ACLU should get involved....
The logical comparison would be is that it's hard to predict what someone would do, whether that someone is an adult, or a child. In fact predicting what the child would do might be even harder, because there is little precedent for that sort of thing. As for locking someone up if that someone is determined to be a "sociopath?" Really? Since when being a sociopath is something someone can be locked up for?
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I think a logical comparison is entirely impossible when evaluating a convicted ADULT sex offender to an 8-year-old child with no history of sociopathic or violent behavior. And ONCE AGAIN, no one here knows if this child has been diagnosed as a sociopath - or anything other than a child.
Why do you suppose there is "little" precedent for this sort of thing?
And obviously, it's not possible to predict what anyone will do. But if the state of Arizona doesn't get a grip on this particular case, they will likely get their wish with regard to this boy reoffending. THEY are entirely responsible for his care and well-being right now. Under the current circumstances, by what stretch of the imagination is this little boy learning how to live in this world? He is restricted from associating with anyone outside of his home.
It appears as though his life is being dictated by a bunch of paranoid soccer moms in a very small community that has tragically mishandled this case from day one.
IMO, of course.
No history of sociopathic or violent behavior? Of course, if you ignore that he has been accused of killing two people. Yes, I get it that he hasn't been accused of killing anyone before these two, but then again, he was only 8. How much history prior to these two murders would you expect?
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No history of sociopathic or violent behavior? Of course, if you ignore that he has been accused of killing two people. Yes, I get it that he hasn't been accused of killing anyone before these two, but then again, he was only 8. How much history prior to these two murders would you expect?
Oh that's right, his father did teach him to hunt and kill innocent animals for sport. I suppose that would be considered violent.
And FYI - I'm not ignoring anything. Lots of folks are accused of things they didn't do.
No, I am considering the murder of two people (alleged to be done by him) as violent.
Well, I think the child has been living for nearly a year out in the open, in the public, travelling and living his life, he hasn't done a thing. The adult you mentioned STRANGLED, RAPED AND MURDERED an innocent woman, did prison time, then within weeks of release did it again, TIMES 11!
No I wasn't "trying to ask" if you would raise the child, I asked if you would have the same opinion of a close friends child or a member of your family, or would you LOOK to see what could have gone on inside the closed doors of a home, NO ONE ever knows what goes on behind closed doors, I am just surprised that so many people are so quick to judge a CHILD! So willing to toss him aside, lock him, up, throw away the key!
Again, what do you think would cause a child to do this? Spoiled? Angry? How about ABUSED, beaten, battered? That is what would come into my mind before spoiled, that is for sure.
BTW, when this happened, I talked to my husband about seeing if we could find out about fostering him...many others did this as well.
Judge Roca isn't even a REAL judge.
It's 'pro tem' assigned after this case began
just sayin'
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AMEN Fran, I agree and have pointed this out myself, several times. To my knowledge, "Pro-tem judges" do minor cases, easy, routine stuff, definitely not a murder trial!
I wouldn't say the State didn't know what to do, I would say po-dunk Apache county didn't know what to do, beginning with the 911 call, they totally flubbed the entire case! And are still doing it to date!
You are completely missing my point. I am not comparing the child to the adult (who by the way didn't murder the woman he spend 15 years in prison for, he was in prison for attempted rape, not murder, the woman is alive). I am saying that people who evaluate whether someone will re-offend really can not always predict whether someone will re-offend or not. They don't have a crystal ball to be able to predict what someone will do.
By the way, you are claiming this child is traveling and living his life in public.
Another poster claims the child is restricted from associating with anyone outside his home.
Which one is it?
By the way, you are claiming this child is traveling and living his life in public.
Another poster claims the child is restricted from associating with anyone outside his home.
Which one is it?
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No, I agree that the evaluations can't 100% predict if someone will re offend. It's my opinion they will determine and target areas of the boys faulty thinking, how severe, and help those going to treat him to better focus their attempts.
I believe he was diagnosed with Conduct Disorder....because he can not be diagnosed with sociopath or psychopathy. Personally, I believe this child can't be fixed. I do hope the consequences are such that he finds them unpleasant enough to have some sort of impact on him. Perhaps that would deter him in the future.
All the dilly dallying around certainly isn't helping him at all...if anything it's harmed him.
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There are absolutely no consistant signs that this child has, in my opinion, Conduct Disorder. Read enough about it, as an armchair Google psychologist, to know that much.
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I really don't think any of us here can say with any certainty what this boy has or doesn't have. Nothing can be ruled in and nothing can be ruled out for we just aren't privy to that information and never will be imo.
The psychiatrists goes back to the beginning of his infancy forward in order to be able to diagnose him and that took many intensive months.
We only know just a small glimpse of time and even then not much detail at all.
I have never heard of another juvenile case that has had such problems getting a treatment facility for one kid though.
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The psychiatrists goes back to the beginning of his infancy forward in order to be able to diagnose him and that took many intensive months.
We only know just a small glimpse of time and even then not much detail at all.
I have never heard of another juvenile case that has had such problems getting a treatment facility for one kid though.
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OBE, this is one post of yours on this case with which I will agree.
I know, don't fall over from shock or anything.
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