GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[Kamille]

So she's in a cell with the other rich inmate Noor Ellis. The other women must be loving the extra perks they're getting by lucking out with those two. I bet there's a flat screen TV on the wall, air conditioning and a bidet by now. :floorlaugh:

How about the other baby living with its mother who is convicted of killing her stepson? SMH

 

[Kamille]

Is it possible the prosecutors were pissed off that HM had been lounging around in the hospital for a week and that's why they made the call to get her arse back to prison even if they had to pick her up and drive her back themselves?

It's all so unreal. :gaah:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Wasn't there an article about how William Wiese had come to an arrangement with Scifo and had just recently released money for the birth costs? :waitasec:

I thought so. None of the various reports make any sense.

Where was Kia when HM was being "discharged"? Where was Soenardi? The two Australian "good Samaritans"? HM herself called out her "regular" prison guard/handler for not showing up. Instead it was two prosecutors who let the "paparazzi" go to town inside and outside their vehicle and get HM all riled up.

I guess someone had to "take care of the bill" that day. Question is...who? And how do they get their money back? Maybe Kia or someone she was travelling with did use a credit card and she is to be reimbursed back in Chicago?

Clear as mud as usual.

 

[IslandLover]

Is it possible the prosecutors were pissed off that HM had been lounging around in the hospital for a week and that's why they made the call to get her arse back to prison even if they had to pick her up and drive her back themselves?

It's all so unreal. :gaah:

MOO

I listened to the sound on the video of HM leaving the hospital with the baby which appeared on the MailOnline website (or the Australian news site, can't remember exactly) and it sounded like HM was on first name terms with Eddy, the prosecutor. Yes, it's completely unreal.

 

[FigTree]

Wasn't there an article about how William Wiese had come to an arrangement with Scifo and had just recently released money for the birth costs? :waitasec:

Yes - Soenardi's demand for payment - The 'dont you know my client is suicidal' demand ...

http://www.straitstimes.com/searchpage?search=Search StraitsTimes.com

"The agreement was he's going to get the money," the judge said Friday, approving the second payment of $25,000. "Give it to him, in the increments we've set."

That means Soenardi has $75,000 from the trust so far. Cohen also said he will approve reasonable medical fees toward the baby's delivery.

Looking back, as we knew, there was no chance that Heather was going to deliver her child in her cell or be without medical attention - there was no threat of suicide to kill herself and the baby - her criminal attorney did not withdraw from the case - and her baby was born C-Section, healthy, allowed visitors, and taken back to Kerobokan.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bali-trust-allegations-met-20150227-story.html
27th Feb 2015 -
The Indonesian lawyer for a pregnant Chicago woman charged with killing her mother on the island of Bali said his client is "suicidal" over the legal battle concerning her $1.56 million trust fund.

In a letter read Friday in Cook County court, Heather Mack's overseas criminal attorney said she is sick with worry that money will not be sent to Indonesia for her legal defense and upcoming birthing expenses.
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Although Cook County Judge Neil Cohen last month approved a $150,000 cap from the trust for Mack's legal defense, her criminal attorney complained that he had been paid only one-third and may be forced to withdrawal.

"I am not sure if you are aware but my client is suicidal," attorney Ary Soenardi wrote in a letter emailed this week to the interim trustee in the case.

"She is very depressed and often mentions taking her own life because she does not believe I will remain as her lawyer if my retainer fee is not met immediately."

Cohen had also given Soenardi/Maxk money for medical expenses prior to the birth -

http://www.styrk.com/posts/judge-de...bali-murder-defendant-s-unborn-child-2F60Yo8N

Favia also sought an additional $15,000 for the baby's expected April delivery and other related medical expenses, which the judge denied.

"The trust doesn't deal with anyone except Heather, as long as she's alive," Cohen said. "I can't rewrite something that's been written."

Cohen noted he already has given Mack $2,240 from the trust for her living and medical needs.

This is just a small part of the reports where funds have been made available for Heather - to Heather.
The Trust does not provide for Stella - just Heather, as stipulated.
There is no money for Stella while Heather is alive.

 

[ajaylee]

I listened to sound on the video of HM leaving the hospital with the baby which appeared on the MailOnline website (or the Australian news site, can't remember exactly) and it sounded like HM was on first name terms with Eddy, the prosecutor. Yes, it's completely unreal.

If Soenardi has done his job, the prosecutor is being well-paid - with SWM's money.

I think the prosecutors may have chosen to personally escort HM back to prison because of the photo opportunities. Not as sickening as the photos taken with the Chan and Sukumaran. How often do you get a chance to get your photo taken with a rich American teen mother murderess heiress? It's not as good as Paris Hilton or a Kardashian, but hey...you have to take what you can get.

OT, but perhaps HM and Noor Ellis can compare notes on using murder to gain access to an inheritance. Mrs. Ellis has apparently found out that as a Muslim, she's disqualified from receiving anything from her husband's estate. All that work for nothing, and she had to borrow the money for the hit in the first place. She has announced that she's just converted to Hinduism, meaning she is eligible for her husband's inheritance in Indonesia. She and HM make a great pair.

There's no hope of HM getting appropriate punishment in Bali. I look forward to her returning to the US to face her day in court again. At least then, we'll understand the legal system and we'll be able to follow what's going on. Also, someone will be speaking out on SWM's behalf.

 

[IslandLover]

I think the prosecutors may have chosen to personally escort HM back to prison because of the photo opportunities. Not as sickening as the photos taken with the Chan and Sukumaran. How often do you get a chance to get your photo taken with a rich American teen mother murderess heiress? It's not as good as Paris Hilton or a Kardashian, but hey...you have to take what you can get.

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You hit the nail on the head about the photo opportunities. It makes me sick to see these puffed up people in uniforms using the most dire situation to get their photo taken and grinning for the camera. It is exactly the same in Thailand and it's completely inappropriate.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is it possible the prosecutors were pissed off that HM had been lounging around in the hospital for a week and that's why they made the call to get her arse back to prison even if they had to pick her up and drive her back themselves?

It's all so unreal. :gaah:

MOO

I had that thought too. “Let’s show everyone how proactive we are being in getting this murderer back to jail. I will pick her up and take her back there myself.”

It is often all about appearances over there - as we saw in the QZ8501 plane tragedy, and in Andrew and Myuran’s transportation to Nusakambangan.

 

[FigTree]

Lawyers for William Wiese, a Colorado attorney, urged Cohen to approve hiring an overseas, independent monitor with ties to Chicago to ensure that the trust money isn't used for bribes in the Indonesian judicial system.
On Friday, sparks flew between Cohen and attorney Eric Dorkin when the judge — citing a lack of evidence — refused to hold a hearing concerning corruption concerns.
Dorkin faced a contempt charge with a $1,000 fine after telling Cohen he was being "outrageous." He later apologized, and Cohen withdrew the contempt ruling.
Dorkin had submitted an affidavit from a Northwestern University political science professor with extensive background in the Indonesian legal system who urged hiring an overseas monitor.

"The corruption of the legal system is rampant at all levels — from local to the national, and from minor cases to major ones drawing national and international attention," Jeffrey Winters wrote, adding: "Networks and practices of corruption within Indonesia's legal system dubbed the 'Judicial Mafia,' are widely covered in the domestic and foreign media."

Eric Dorkin deserves his $1000 back - if you ask me.
Prosecutor's chauffeuring HM around - incredible.


@ayjaylee:

OT, but perhaps HM and Noor Ellis can compare notes on using murder to gain access to an inheritance. Mrs. Ellis has apparently found out that as a Muslim, she's disqualified from receiving anything from her husband's estate. All that work for nothing, and she had to borrow the money for the hit in the first place. She has announced that she's just converted to Hinduism, meaning she is eligible for her husband's inheritance in Indonesia. She and HM make a great pair.

My bold
Yep - the blind leading the blind - besides HM isnt that well off, though she thinks she is.
Once the conviction goes through, HM will be doing nails and braiding hair for a living - and I believe she will be convicted as charged.
There will be no money for HM once that happens - and if she thinks she will get to hold onto that pot of gold wrapped in a batik bunny rug, as her credit card - she may have to think again.


Noor Ellis will be convicted. And no money will even get close to her from that inheritance. She has 2 sons who loved their father and their legal team are pitbulls.

http://www.news.com.au/national/noo...-for-inheritance/story-fncynjr2-1227267235076
Any Aryani, the lawyer for the couple’s sons Peter and John, says even as she faces the death penalty, Ellis is making moves to protect her inheritance.
“If Noor thinks ‘I killed, I’ve been punished, but my inheritance rights remain’, well that’s not possible,” Ms Any told AAP.
“We have prepared for that. As soon as the court states Noor is guilty of killing her husband, we will take legal measures that will ensure Noor will not get even the smallest bit of Bob’s fortune.”

 

[whatthewhaat]

Baby Stella is already sick...

"While the problem has not been revealed, a prison source told Daily Mail Online that Miss Mack and guards became concerned when the baby, whom she was carrying back to her cell, started to ‘burn up’ on Tuesday.
But it was the yellow appearance of the baby’s skin that was causing the greatest worry.
With Miss Mack being concerned about the child’s health, doctors told guards at Kerobokan Prison that she wanted her boyfriend, who is being held in the men’s section, to be present in the clinic while the baby was being treated.
This was allowed and, according to sources, Miss Mack and Schaefer held hands while doctors attended to the child. "

Does anyone have an idea what the condition could be? My first thought would be jaundice... but did they really let it go untreated like that? Good grief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fever-derailing-boyfriend-s-murder-trial.html

 

[Curious Me]

Baby Stella is already sick...

"While the problem has not been revealed, a prison source told Daily Mail Online that Miss Mack and guards became concerned when the baby, whom she was carrying back to her cell, started to ‘burn up’ on Tuesday.
But it was the yellow appearance of the baby’s skin that was causing the greatest worry.
With Miss Mack being concerned about the child’s health, doctors told guards at Kerobokan Prison that she wanted her boyfriend, who is being held in the men’s section, to be present in the clinic while the baby was being treated.
This was allowed and, according to sources, Miss Mack and Schaefer held hands while doctors attended to the child. "

Does anyone have an idea what the condition could be? My first thought would be jaundice... but did they really let it go untreated like that? Good grief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fever-derailing-boyfriend-s-murder-trial.html

Just one week after the child’s birth in an Indonesian hospital, baby Stella Schaefer - named after Miss Mack’s co-accused boyfriend Tommy Schaefer - developed a high fever and her dark skin took on a yellowish color in the cell, which her mother shares with eight other prisoners.

The little girl was hurried into the clinic, which is located within the prison walls, and given immediate treatment by doctors.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fever-derailing-boyfriend-s-murder-trial.html

I would guess jaundice that is common for many infants, but I don't know if it causes
a fever. I wonder because they make it sound more serious than jaundice. Poor little baby, maybe prison life doesn't agree with her.


http://kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_center/newborn_care/jaundice.html
"A common condition in newborns, jaundice refers to the yellow color of the skin and whites of the eyes caused by excess bilirubin in the blood. Bilirubin is produced by the normal breakdown of red blood cells."

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/understanding-newborn-jaundice-treatment
"Often, physiologic jaundice -- the type seen in most newborns -- does not require aggressive treatment. It will typically disappear in a few days with frequent feedings and exposure to indirect sunlight at home."

and

"Sometimes phototherapy -- special light treatment -- is used to help the body get rid of the excess bilirubin. Phototherapy is conducted with a lamp called a bili-light or with a bili-blanket."

 

[SouthAussie]

Women sharing Miss Mack’s cell also gathered around mother and child, but Miss Mack has been warned that their congratulations could turn to anger if the baby wakes them up with her crying night after night.

‘Keeping the baby in a humid, unclean cell, where prisoners sleep on the floor, is hardly the place for a newborn baby,’ said a Bali resident who visits the jail regularly.
‘Adults get sick in there, so what chance does a newborn have?’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fever-derailing-boyfriend-s-murder-trial.html


Hopefully the baby gets out of that environment and into the hospital ... then Heather allows her to reside in a healthier, safer place than Kerobokan Prison.

 

[Curious Me]

It can make you feel such a vulnerability never experienced before when you become a parent and truly feel the fullness of love for that child. You want to protect them at all costs and sacrifice for them. Oh, but I'm not sure Heather or Tommy are capable of that kind of unselfish love.

 

[SouthAussie]

I would guess jaundice that is common for many infants, but I don't know if it causes
a fever. I wonder because they make it sound more serious than jaundice. Poor little baby, maybe prison life doesn't agree with her.

Could it be an acute form of jaundice, as that includes fever among the symptoms? I wonder how well the baby has been feeding/has been fed.


"Signs of acute bilirubin encephalopathy in a baby with jaundice include fever, sluggishness, high-pitched crying, poor feeding, and arching of the body or neck. Immediate treatment may prevent further damage.

The best way to reduce chances of an infant developing jaundice is to make sure they are well fed. For the first week or so of life, breastfed babies should be fed eight to twelve times a day, while formula-fed babies should be fed one to two ounces of formula every two or three hours."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/165358.php



Schaefer’s mother, Kia Walker, visited Miss Mack in hospital and, after setting her eyes on the new-born baby, is understood to have begged Miss Mack not to take the child back to the prison with her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...der-trial.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Ohhhh ... I hope it isn't the acute form of jaundice. It does not sound good at all.


"The neurological manifestations of acute bilirubin encephalopathy have two distinct phases.
The first phase usually presents in the first few days of life in term infants and as late as the seventh day of life in premature infants. Typically, these infants present with somnolence, hypotonia, and loss of the Moro reflex.
This is then followed several days later by an irreversible stage characterized by hypertonia of the extensor muscle groups. This is characterized by retrocollis (backward arching of the neck) and opisthotonus (backward arching of the trunk).[6] Additionally, fever and a high-pitched cry are often noted. Patients who survive the neonatal period demonstrate the chronic manifestations of bilirubin encephalopathy.
These characteristic findings include choreoathetosis, sensorineural hearing loss, dental dysplasia, gaze abnormalities (particularly vertical gaze palsy) and mild mental retardation."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/491101_3

 

[Suthrnqt]

Subscribing ......

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Ohhhh ... I hope it isn't the acute form of jaundice. It does not sound good at all.


"The neurological manifestations of acute bilirubin encephalopathy have two distinct phases.
The first phase usually presents in the first few days of life in term infants and as late as the seventh day of life in premature infants. Typically, these infants present with somnolence, hypotonia, and loss of the Moro reflex.
This is then followed several days later by an irreversible stage characterized by hypertonia of the extensor muscle groups. This is characterized by retrocollis (backward arching of the neck) and opisthotonus (backward arching of the trunk).[6] Additionally, fever and a high-pitched cry are often noted. Patients who survive the neonatal period demonstrate the chronic manifestations of bilirubin encephalopathy.
These characteristic findings include choreoathetosis, sensorineural hearing loss, dental dysplasia, gaze abnormalities (particularly vertical gaze palsy) and mild mental retardation."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/491101_3

My son had jaundice and he was in a incubator under blue lights for a couple of days. Baby Stella needs to be taken back to hospital to receive treatment, hopefully as we speak this is happening. lease:

 

[gracehatter]

I had two with jaundice, one went under the lights for a couple of days because it was December and there is no sunlight. One was sent home and I was told to get it out in the sunshine because it was June and to get back with my pediatrician if it persisted. It doesn't sound like it went untreated.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Baby Stella is already sick...

"While the problem has not been revealed, a prison source told Daily Mail Online that Miss Mack and guards became concerned when the baby, whom she was carrying back to her cell, started to ‘burn up’ on Tuesday.
But it was the yellow appearance of the baby’s skin that was causing the greatest worry.
With Miss Mack being concerned about the child’s health, doctors told guards at Kerobokan Prison that she wanted her boyfriend, who is being held in the men’s section, to be present in the clinic while the baby was being treated.
This was allowed and, according to sources, Miss Mack and Schaefer held hands while doctors attended to the child. "

Does anyone have an idea what the condition could be? My first thought would be jaundice... but did they really let it go untreated like that? Good grief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fever-derailing-boyfriend-s-murder-trial.html

Maybe this will get her to see the baby isn't a toy. Oh. Wait..... Nevermind.

ETA: the baby isn't a prisoner. What obligation does the jail have to transport a non-prisoner to the hospital and back?

 

[Hiandmighty]

I would guess jaundice that is common for many infants, but I don't know if it causes
a fever. I wonder because they make it sound more serious than jaundice. Poor little baby, maybe prison life doesn't agree with her.


http://kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_center/newborn_care/jaundice.html
"A common condition in newborns, jaundice refers to the yellow color of the skin and whites of the eyes caused by excess bilirubin in the blood. Bilirubin is produced by the normal breakdown of red blood cells."

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/understanding-newborn-jaundice-treatment
"Often, physiologic jaundice -- the type seen in most newborns -- does not require aggressive treatment. It will typically disappear in a few days with frequent feedings and exposure to indirect sunlight at home."

and

"Sometimes phototherapy -- special light treatment -- is used to help the body get rid of the excess bilirubin. Phototherapy is conducted with a lamp called a bili-light or with a bili-blanket."

I don't *think* jaundice causes fever. I think it is bad when a little newborn gets fever. A 7 pound baby can dehydrate *like this* (snaps finger).