I remember soon, very soon after Baez and KC were "connected" he made the announcement that there was an explanation that will come out at trial...to me none of this makes sense. Why would he let her go to trial for her life if this was an accident all this time? Just doesn't make sense to me!
BIG HOLES in the defense theory
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ITA. The entire reason for this ridiculous fabrication is that ICA will not ever in a million years accept any responsibility for anything, even if it were simply that her precious baby girl drowned in the family pool. It has simply reinforced my belief that this was indeed premeditated, and that her parents should thank their lucky stars to still be alive. JMHO
My feeling probably doesn't mean anything (I had the same feeling at this point during the Peterson case) but I'm concerned that the lack of cause of death will distract the jury.
Remember during the Peterson case when Baden and Wecht came out at the very end saying how not having a cause of death would fatally hurt the case? That turned out not to be true with Peterson, mostly because I think he was an unsympathetic defendant. But will it hurt this case? I think so...just to be clear this is not based on anything more than a reading of atmosphere among the medical and legal kibitzers I see and hear on the news.
If this has been mentioned already, my apologies.
For me one of the biggest glaring holes in Jose Baez theory is Cindy.
There was no mention of her in the alleged 3 year coverup of an accidental drowning during his opening statement. Will he propose that she knew about it and went along or does he think that George could keep such a secret from Cindy for 3 YEARS? Through all the travelling to track down sightings, all the posters, all the media attention and interviews, depositions. No way that happened.
It appears to me that Cindy and George have supported each other through this whole horrible time. No one could watch Cindy on that stand and think that she is anything but a grieving grandmother who stopped believing in Zanny's existance only 6 weeks before the trial.
The defense theory is an insult to any thinking person.
For me one of the biggest glaring holes in Jose Baez theory is Cindy.
There was no mention of her in the alleged 3 year coverup of an accidental drowning during his opening statement. Will he propose that she knew about it and went along or does he think that George could keep such a secret from Cindy for 3 YEARS? Through all the travelling to track down sightings, all the posters, all the media attention and interviews, depositions. No way that happened.
It appears to me that Cindy and George have supported each other through this whole horrible time. No one could watch Cindy on that stand and think that she is anything but a grieving grandmother who stopped believing in Zanny's existance only 6 weeks before the trial.
The defense theory is an insult to any thinking person.
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I believe that Dr G was referring to her morgue IN Orange County Florida ONLY. 100% of all drownings in Orange County Florida. And as of 6/20/2011, for 2011, drowning fatalities to date for ages up to 18 years old in Orange County has been 2.
Childhood drowning is the number one unintentional cause of death in Florida for children under the age of four, and while the death of even one child is tragic, 100% of 2 is still only 2. So without referencing the total number of child drownings involved in that 100% where 911 is called is merely sensationalizing a stat.
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/CitizensSafety/ChildhoodDrowningPrevention/tabid/235/Default.aspx
Very interesting site about Florida and drowning deahs: http://www.shands.org/hospitals/UF/professionals/trauma/Drowning.pdf
Childhood drowning is the number one unintentional cause of death in Florida for children under the age of four, and while the death of even one child is tragic, 100% of 2 is still only 2. So without referencing the total number of child drownings involved in that 100% where 911 is called is merely sensationalizing a stat.
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/CitizensSafety/ChildhoodDrowningPrevention/tabid/235/Default.aspx
Very interesting site about Florida and drowning deahs: http://www.shands.org/hospitals/UF/professionals/trauma/Drowning.pdf
I find this to be the biggest whole in the defense's theory also. I just can't get past this. No attorney would let his client face the death penalty for an accident. Why would she sit in jail for 3 years if she didn't have to? There is no way they will ever be able to justify that. (jmo)
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Thank you!Did a hi i'm new post on another thread!
Have family in Beaufort area...you anywhere close?
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I think there are many conviction without having a COD. Sometimes you don't even have a body!
ICA was charged ,even before Caylee was found.
I'm not worried. It would have to be a very random type of juror to vote NG IMO.Even then,she won't walk.
The theory is that Caylee drowned in the family pool. That morning when they realized Caylee was missing they supposedly started franticly looking for her. George went one way and Casey went another and they met in the backyard. At this point George already had Caylee OUT of the pool and in his arms. How long does a dead body float above the water BEFORE they sink to the bottom. He would have to "fish" her out....was he all wet??? Also, she claims that while he held his dead grandaughter he yelled at her "what did YOU do??? Your mother will never forgive you!! If they ALL live in the same house....why would he automaticly say it was Casey's fault she drowned in the pool....wouldn't they all take responsibilty for it. What a joke!!!! This defense theory is nonsense!!
Dead people don't float, they sink.
They don't float until gases from decomp make them float up.
I think I read somewhere that the defense has a picture of the pool ladder being in the pool at the time of caylee's death. Is this correct?? Because they didn't report her missing until 31 days later and Cindy insists the ladder was up. If it was 31 days later...nobody swam in the pool during that time???
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This was an article I found about John and Reve Walsh about their loss of Adam. I found this report by the FBI, wonder if Baez will raise this in his defense theory?
No more waiting
Today, federal law forbids waiting periods when a child is reported missing. The FBI crime computer accepts missing child information and public broadcasting networks issue missing child notices, called AMBER Alerts, to cellphones, traffic information boards and TV. Every state has a missing child clearinghouse and rapid response systems. In 1990, police recovered 62% of missing children. Now, nearly 96% are recovered, Allen says.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-17-walshinside_N.htm
No more waiting
Today, federal law forbids waiting periods when a child is reported missing. The FBI crime computer accepts missing child information and public broadcasting networks issue missing child notices, called AMBER Alerts, to cellphones, traffic information boards and TV. Every state has a missing child clearinghouse and rapid response systems. In 1990, police recovered 62% of missing children. Now, nearly 96% are recovered, Allen says.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-17-walshinside_N.htm
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Hey Donjeta, I always enjoy your posts and find something worthy in them.
I have to say, I think Casey wanted the body to be found. Like you said and I've thought all along, the taping was done to make it look like a kidnapping. What good is taping the body if someone doesn't discover it and think: Aha! A kidnapping!
Also, although Cindy claims she never before saw the "Big Trouble" t-shirt, I think she is familiar with it. I think Casey put it on Caylee as a message to her mother, Cindy. I think maybe the shirt was something Cindy disapproved of and she let Casey know it so Casey made sure her daughter was wearing it in death.
Of course, it's easy for me to come up with these ideas. As each day of the trial unfolds, I discover more evil reeking from Casey. Just seeing her sit there day after day, in her imaginary world is distressing.
jmo
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crucibelle, to achieve a not guity verdict the defense has to keep every part of the case away from any idea Casey did any of it. The dead child is explained away with an accidential drowning. The tape around her face is something the defense has to blame on someone else and Kronk is as good as anyone since he found the body.
It has to appear that Casey is not tied to any part of Caylee's death. That's why the defense has involved other people. jmo
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I agree that she wanted the body to be found. I think she was actually framing George and that is one reason she put the body so close to home and used the duct tape and then RETURNED IT TO THE GARAGE.
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I'm not sure what he could use here. The article says " At the time, most police departments had mandatory waiting periods up to 72 hours before they would take a report on a missing child, and the FBI's crime computer did not accept data on missing children. "
It doesn't say that police have to issue an Amber Alert after a child has been missing for over a month.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-17-walshinside_N.htm
The duct tape has never made sense as a faked kidnapping tool, even when ZFG was being blamed. Caylee supposedly knew her very well and was accustomed to spending time with her, so being with her would have seemed like an everyday thing. Duct tape at the point of kidnapping would only have scared Caylee and potentially attracted negative attention. Furthermore, a nanny who went to the trouble of stealing a child would not then kill her--if she didn't want her, she wouldn't steal her.