Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

[leilarose68]

You would think that, if Orlando PD had video footage of Bob entering his hotel room alone, they would have mentioned that to tamp down the speculation. It's very odd that all they'll say is that the room was clean and nothing was disturbed. Obviously the scene could have been staged.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It sounds like the injuries were both the back of the head and to the face. To me it sure sounds like somebody beat him up (and not him falling and hitting his head).

"There are people who fall from standing and have things that look just like traumatic injury. The thing that's tougher to track here are the fractures. To have a fracture, you have to have enough blunt force on a bone — directly on a bone — in order to fracture it," says Dr. Marcus. "It's very hard to fracture your orbit [bones in the eye socket area] without traumatizing your orbit."
Doctors Weigh In on Bob Saget's Fatal Head Injuries | PEOPLE.com

This has already been discussed, but there are numerous papers that discuss the very real possibility of this injury pattern. Here's another one I didn't see last night.

Isolated orbital roof blow-in fracture - ScienceDirect

 

[LietKynes]

This case keeps getting stranger and stranger. In this video a neurosurgeon is interviewed---says things don't add up, especially after seeing photos of the hotel room; a former Orlando PD officer says they should investigate more. Most interestingly, Bob's college friend Bruce Hamilton and the person Bob had his last interview with says: "theres nothing more that could have been done. Bob was gone when the police got there. Why dredge other things up?"

Other things...?

bbm
Thanks, this is a lot to unpack.
About the room being tidy ... was Bob himself 'tidy' ?
As in, cleaned up and in his night time attire ?
Was his hair wet ?
That would be the last thing to dry.
You can suffer a blow to the head without there being blood present, if the skin isn't broken.
Point in case, our neighbor fell and had a severe concussion several years ago with no blood present at all.
Her teen daughter was alert enough to call an ambulance immediately because she sensed something was very wrong even though her mother was alert and talking.

I couldn't find if he was in his street clothes or pajamas; just that he was laying in his hotel bed with his left arm across him and his right arm by his side; with his legs straight out in front of him.
Did he normally sleep this way ?
Since it was said his room looked neat and orderly, did it appear arranged to look that way or was everything where he normally positioned it ?
If I was a family member, I'd want to see photos of his belongings in his room and how they were arranged.
A small detail -- but I'd want to know if anything seemed out of order or placed oddly ?
That's important, imo.

I think Bob was probably murdered after engaging in something unsavory. His family knows this, and they asked the medical examiner and PD to please just close the case because Bob is so famous, he wouldn't want an investigation and it would just bring shame to the family & overshadow what a good person he was. The Orlando Sheriff seemed nervous to me when talking about how the bedroom was clean and there was no sign of a struggle.

bbm
Whoah.
You spoke with him ?
He (the Orlando sheriff) seemed somewhat skeptical.
Was there anyone in the room before him ?

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[LietKynes]

I've been trying to come up with a scenario, but can't think of anything. Maybe someone with a more creative mind than mine can think of something.

I can think of some scenarios , sadly.
But here's something --- was the family shown the security footage of Bob going into his room ?
Did anyone meet him at the hotel like the lobby ?
Maybe just a friend to drop something off, or an uber eats ?
Was he walking normally into the hotel, or stumbling ?
And maybe the hotel employees just thought he was tipsy, but not seriously injured ?

Did the hotel allow LE to view the footage ?
This is of interest to me as I wondered if there's ever a scenario where LE may be told they aren't allowed to view the footage ?
Imo.

 

[Luna20]

What I find odd is that nothing was said about videos to and from his room. Typically they will mention that as general and basic information. ‘We verified that Mr. Saget returned to his room at 3am alone. No one accompanied him or was seen following him’. Something to that affect.

 

[Gardenista]

I can think of some scenarios , sadly.
But here's something --- was the family shown the security footage of Bob going into his room ?
Did anyone meet him at the hotel like the lobby ?
Maybe just a friend to drop something off, or an uber eats ?
Was he walking normally into the hotel, or stumbling ?
And maybe the hotel employees just thought he was tipsy, but not seriously injured ?

Did the hotel allow LE to view the footage ?
This is of interest to me as I wondered if there's ever a scenario where LE may be told they aren't allowed to view the footage ?
Imo.

That don't involve foul play?

 

[Luna20]

I can think of some scenarios , sadly.
But here's something --- was the family shown the security footage of Bob going into his room ?
Did anyone meet him at the hotel like the lobby ?
Maybe just a friend to drop something off, or an uber eats ?
Was he walking normally into the hotel, or stumbling ?
And maybe the hotel employees just thought he was tipsy, but not seriously injured ?

Did the hotel allow LE to view the footage ?
This is of interest to me as I wondered if there's ever a scenario where LE may be told they aren't allowed to view the footage ?
Imo.

I think that is pretty standard. It’s in part the reason there is video surveillance in the event LE does need to verify or investigate.

 

[LietKynes]

That don't involve foul play?

Good question.
Oh, no, actually my mind thinks about many possibilities; but all involve some type of altercation.
I keep thinking it was a robbery gone wrong -- but who tidies up a room after ?
I don't think he fell and bumped his head. not with fractures on the front and back/sides of his head.
That's my take on it.

 

[Luna20]

'There Is NO WAY This Could Have Occurred With One Fall’: Famed Pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht Calls For Second Autopsy On Comedian Bob Saget

 

[c@tw0man]

This has already been discussed, but there are numerous papers that discuss the very real possibility of this injury pattern. Here's another one I didn't see last night.

Isolated orbital roof blow-in fracture - ScienceDirect

Absolutely spot on. Coup countercoup injury was my first thought. My second thought, after seeing all this wild speculation, was, what is wrong with society? Always a few on the fringe that are convinced of a big conspiracy or murder for hire. And of course, the police have covered it up. Nonsense. Just nonsense.

 

[LietKynes]

'There Is NO WAY This Could Have Occurred With One Fall’: Famed Pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht Calls For Second Autopsy On Comedian Bob Saget

Cyril Wecht's input is appreciated.
Even if he hasn't examined the body, he knows that the brain cannot fracture both sides of the head.
Hoping C.W. will be able to request and receive a second autopsy.
This is a sad yet intriguing case !

 

[Seattle1]

This has already been discussed, but there are numerous papers that discuss the very real possibility of this injury pattern. Here's another one I didn't see last night.

Isolated orbital roof blow-in fracture - ScienceDirect

Absolutely spot on. Coup countercoup injury was my first thought. My second thought, after seeing all this wild speculation, was, what is wrong with society? Always a few on the fringe that are convinced of a big conspiracy or murder for hire. And of course, the police have covered it up. Nonsense. Just nonsense.

Thanks for posting this link @BeginnerSleuther -- it was just what I expected was available in case report. From the link:

Conclusion
The patient presented here is suspected to have fulfilled the perfect storm of falling backward down steps, with direct occipital trauma and coup countercoup injury inducing a pressure gradient high enough to produce an isolated blow-in fracture of the right orbit and isolated non-displaced fracture of the left orbital roof. The management for this type of orbital is conservative in patients with no loss of vision, diplopia, orb malposition or change in follow up exams [6].

 

[jjenny]

There are no steps to fall from in the hotel room.

 

[jjenny]

What I find odd is that nothing was said about videos to and from his room. Typically they will mention that as general and basic information. ‘We verified that Mr. Saget returned to his room at 3am alone. No one accompanied him or was seen following him’. Something to that affect.

Yes, exactly. Did LE even check the video? They room key card information? Did he return to the hotel room alone and could he have somehow sustained the injury before he returned to the hotel?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Cyril Wecht's input is appreciated.
Even if he hasn't examined the body, he knows that the brain cannot fracture both sides of the head.
Hoping C.W. will be able to request and receive a second autopsy.
This is a sad yet intriguing case !

A number of other experts disagree with him and have published the research that confirms he's wrong.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There are no steps to fall from in the hotel room.

But the point is, the so-called "experts" saying the injury pattern is impossible are wrong. It's not only very much possible, it's happened to others and it's been researched by scientists who have published their findings in peer review journals. Just because an expert hasn't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[jjenny]

But the point is, the so-called "experts" saying the injury pattern is impossible are wrong. It's not only very much possible, it's happened to others and it's been researched by scientists who have published their findings in peer review journals. Just because an expert hasn't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It can happen in fall down the stairs, but there are no stairs in the hotel room. I don't see how his injury is consistent with being found neatly in bed in an orderly hotel room, where nothing is even disturbed. I am concerned that police didn't even do a minimal investigation.

 

[IceIce9]

You would think that, if Orlando PD had video footage of Bob entering his hotel room alone, they would have mentioned that to tamp down the speculation. It's very odd that all they'll say is that the room was clean and nothing was disturbed. Obviously the scene could have been staged.

And if police were informed that he was found in his bed, probably bumped his head on the headboard, how much would they investigate? Would they watch hotel video, etc. if he was found tucked into his bed and no signs of disarray in the room?

 

[jjenny]

And if police were informed that he was found in his bed, probably bumped his head on the headboard, how much would they investigate? Would they watch hotel video, etc. if he was found tucked into his bed and no signs of disarray in the room?

I think it's pretty clear his injury is too severe to be caused by bumping his head on the headboard.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Got to his room at 2:20am
Last public tweet at 3:42am
*Check out 6am to take flight home

They didn’t check his room until 4pm?