Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

[jjenny]

Got to his room at 2:20am
Last public tweet at 3:42am
*Check out 6am to take flight home

They didn’t check his room until 4pm?

They usually don't barge into people's room right away. In theory, a guest can change his or her mind, decide to sleep in. They checked after Bob's wife asked them to.

 

[happyday]

'There Is NO WAY This Could Have Occurred With One Fall’: Famed Pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht Calls For Second Autopsy On Comedian Bob Saget

I don’t like how this guy says “no way” this could have happened. Many doctors have said the opposite and there are examples on this thread. Is it ODD? Yes, but not impossible, and I don’t like doctors who have nothing to do with it pressuring the family to have him exhumed! I think the family wants to let it lie, and it should be respected. If they want to have another autopsy done, that’s one thing. I have no idea what happened, and there are many questions. But I don’t think the hotel, family, LE, coroner would ALL cover up a murder. There are probably circumstances we don’t know about, but a big murder cover up? I don’t think so. MOO

 

[IceIce9]

I think it's pretty clear his injury is too severe to be caused by bumping his head on the headboard.

But the extent of the injuries wouldn’t have been determined at the time he was found.

 

[jjenny]

The injury is so severe that it seems very strange he was found in bed and nothing is disturbed. I don't think the severity is consistent with him banging his head and thinking nothing of it. Sheriff's claim is that the room was orderly. How does he explain why the room was so orderly if Bob fell in it with such force to break bones in the back and front of the head?

 

[jjenny]

The injury is so severe that it seems very strange he was found in bed and nothing is disturbed. I don't think the severity is consistent with him banging his head and thinking nothing of it. Sheriff's claim is that the room was orderly. How does he explain why the room was so orderly if Bob fell with such force to break bones in back and front of the skull? He is a tall man. How would he manage to fall with such force and not disturb anything? Surely he wouldn't be able to clean up with that kind of head trauma. It's just strange.

 

[happyday]

Absolutely spot on. Coup countercoup injury was my first thought. My second thought, after seeing all this wild speculation, was, what is wrong with society? Always a few on the fringe that are convinced of a big conspiracy or murder for hire. And of course, the police have covered it up. Nonsense. Just nonsense.

Sadly, it’s more than a “few” on the fringe these days. It’s weird to me how people so easily jump to wild conspiracy theories about just about anything that they don’t agree with or like. Seems like society’s rational thinking and common sense has deteriorated.

But I’m not seeing that here. Mostly I think people have been respectfully questioning this situation, which is one of the things we do on WS. I have seen some CRAZY stuff other places on the internet, and it’s really disrespectful IMO. The facts that we’ve been given don’t seem to sit right with a lot of people, and I think we can have a discussion about it without going off the rails. JMO

 

[Jennmatton96]

I am a former Level 1 Trauma Neuro ICU nurse and ER nurse. He could have fallen in the bathroom, fractured his skull, was disoriented stood up and fell forward fracturing his orbits, I suppose (though HIGHLY unlikely, given the amount of force required to create ONE comminuted skull fracture. Much less multiple) .... That in and of itself is difficult to conceive of. But to then have the ability to make it back to your bed and be found "peacefully resting?". I suppose just about anything is possible. But with trauma like that, he should have been found right where he fell.

 

[Jennmatton96]

Coup Contra Coup is force on the brain. Essentially the brain bouncing off the interior of the skull. The bouncing of the brain is not going to cause a skull fracture. If it did, he would not have been able to make it back to his bed.

 

[jjenny]

I am a former Level 1 Trauma Neuro ICU nurse and ER nurse. He could have fallen in the bathroom, fractured his skull, was disoriented stood up and fell forward fracturing his orbits, I suppose (though HIGHLY unlikely, given the amount of force required to create ONE comminuted skull fracture. Much less multiple) .... That in and of itself is difficult to conceive of. But to then have the ability to make it back to your bed and be found "peacefully resting?". I suppose just about anything is possible. But with trauma like that, he should have been found right where he fell.

That's what I was thinking. Seems like if he fell backward and injured his head so severely, that it broke the orbital bones, he would have been found where he fell, not neatly in bed.

 

[jjenny]

I don't think police investigated this at all. It was originally believed he died from either stroke or heart attack. Police normally don't investigate heart attacks or strokes. The room presumably was never treated as a potential crime scene. As it turned out he died from major head trauma, but police has already decided there was nothing suspicious so I don't think any investigation was done whatsoever. No video looked at, no key card information looked at?

 

[happyday]

I don't think police investigated this at all. It was originally believed he died from either stroke or heart attack. Police normally don't investigate heart attacks or strokes. The room presumably was never treated as a potential crime scene. As it turned out he died from major head trauma, but police has already decided there was nothing suspicious so I don't think any investigation was done whatsoever. No video looked at, no key card information looked at?

Well they did look at key card info because they said that’s how they know exactly what time he entered his room (a little before 2:20 am). I do wonder about video, but SURELY they looked at that. I bet you’re right that they didn’t dig too deep if they thought it was natural causes, but I bet they did investigate or the family would probably be shouting from the rooftops to figure out what the heck happened after the head trauma was discovered. They are quiet though, so I think maybe they know what was found and want to keep it quiet. Even if they don’t know exactly how he fell or whatever, maybe they know if someone else was involved?

 

[IceIce9]

MOO the injuries are inconsistent with the explanation provided. I can’t believe he could have made it to bed himself with the severe head injuries.

 

[MimosaMornings]

They usually don't barge into people's room right away. In theory, a guest can change his or her mind, decide to sleep in. They checked after Bob's wife asked them to.

I’m curious if there was any communication from him after that tweet. Like “on the way” or
“I’ll text when I’m on the plane”.

American and Delta usually have 7am flights from MCO to LAX, board around 6:30am.
He would have to return the rental car (unless he had a driver take him to Jacksonville and back that night to the hotel) If he left the hotel at 4:30 he could possibly return the car, go through security and be at the gate by 5:30? That would be pushing it in my opinion.
If he had an early flight - maybe he wasn’t planning on going to sleep after he sent that tweet, just nap on the flight home.
JMO

 

[happyday]

The report said fully clothed (in regular clothes) on top of the made bed (not under the covers) with one hand on his chest and one on the bed lying flat on his back. So I don't think a shower was involved. And if his flight was at 6 am and he got to his room so late he might not have even been planning to sleep. Also, I have no evidence at all, but he had a full schedule of being on the road away from home. I love Bob Saget but if there was anticipated sex involved and it went wrong then his family would not have wanted his fans to know about that part of it. We know Bob was a great guy but he also had xrated humor. Nobody really knows what someone does away from home in their private life. Maybe a sexual encounter turned into being attacked for whatever reason. Apologies because I love Bob Saget, but it's probably what a lot of people are thinking anyway. He could have been placed in that position.

I missed that about him being in regular clothes on TOP of a made bed. So not as if he went to bed? That’s in the autopsy report? I’ll have to go back and look…

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It can happen in fall down the stairs, but there are no stairs in the hotel room. I don't see how his injury is consistent with being found neatly in bed in an orderly hotel room, where nothing is even disturbed. I am concerned that police didn't even do a minimal investigation.

That isn't true though. It's most likely from a fall down the stairs, but it doesn't say that it can't happen unless there's a fall down the stairs. I think too many people are conflating things and, honestly, I feel it's irresponsible to spread misinformation. There is more than adequate confirmation that if you hit the back of your head just right, it can cause a similar injury pattern. Now we can speculate that while that's true, it still could have been foul play, but to say it "can't" happen the way that's been suggested is incorrect.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Medical examiners relay on what police tell them about the circumstances. Head injury can happen in different ways. So for PD going by what medical examiner reported and not do an investigation would be a really bad police work.

Again, this is incorrect. Medical examiners do an autopsy. Their job is to determine cause of death. They do not rely on what the police tell them with regard to accidental vs not.

 

[LietKynes]

Sadly, it’s more than a “few” on the fringe these days. It’s weird to me how people so easily jump to wild conspiracy theories about just about anything that they don’t agree with or like. Seems like society’s rational thinking and common sense has deteriorated.

But I’m not seeing that here. Mostly I think people have been respectfully questioning this situation, which is one of the things we do on WS. I have seen some CRAZY stuff other places on the internet, and it’s really disrespectful IMO. The facts that we’ve been given don’t seem to sit right with a lot of people, and I think we can have a discussion about it without going off the rails. JMO

bbm
Agreed.
This is a sleuthing site and those who have asked questions here have done so in a respectful manner.
We all want answers and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[LietKynes]

I am a former Level 1 Trauma Neuro ICU nurse and ER nurse. He could have fallen in the bathroom, fractured his skull, was disoriented stood up and fell forward fracturing his orbits, I suppose (though HIGHLY unlikely, given the amount of force required to create ONE comminuted skull fracture. Much less multiple) .... That in and of itself is difficult to conceive of. But to then have the ability to make it back to your bed and be found "peacefully resting?". I suppose just about anything is possible. But with trauma like that, he should have been found right where he fell.

Thanks, good to have professional input.
Multiple fractures sounds like being struck with something as opposed to a simple fall ?

The report said fully clothed (in regular clothes) on top of the made bed (not under the covers) with one hand on his chest and one on the bed lying flat on his back. So I don't think a shower was involved. And if his flight was at 6 am and he got to his room so late he might not have even been planning to sleep. Also, I have no evidence at all, but he had a full schedule of being on the road away from home. I love Bob Saget but if there was anticipated sex involved and it went wrong then his family would not have wanted his fans to know about that part of it. We know Bob was a great guy but he also had xrated humor. Nobody really knows what someone does away from home in their private life. Maybe a sexual encounter turned into being attacked for whatever reason. Apologies because I love Bob Saget, but it's probably what a lot of people are thinking anyway. He could have been placed in that position.

Thanks for this post; I was looking for the description of what he'd been dressed in and couldn't find it.
Did you have a link ?
If not that's ok.
I went back and checked msm (CNN, DailyMail, NBC News, etc.) and couldn't find very much.
The first thought was when hearing of his passing was that he'd fallen in the shower and didn't know how badly he was injured ?
But the first quoted post above by @Jennmatton96 says otherwise (thanks) ; and I'm inclined to believe this was not possible --Bob making it to the hotel bed and laying down ?
Imo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

You are completely wrong. In many cases, medical examiners need to know circumstances to determine a cause of death. Head trauma could be accidental or it could be foul play. Medical examiner can't always determine that the cause of death is accidental versus homicide without knowing how head trauma (or some other injury in other cases) occurred.

Their job is to figure out how the injury occurred. I didn't say they don't look at information police give, but their rulings are based on injury pattern. There are many, many times that PD think someone died of natural causes, but the autopsy reveals injuries that are inconsistent and so the ruling is different. Likewise, the opposite can be true. MEs are not police. Their job is to investigate the cause of death, which includes injury pattern.

For instance, someone could slip and fall down the stairs, or be pushed down the stairs. First is an accident, second is homicide. Medical examiner would not know which one, as the trauma itself would be the same.

Yes absolutely. But their job isn't to rely on police to say "it couldn't have been an accident" for example. Their job is to suss out cause of the injury/death.

 

[branmuffin]

There are no steps to fall from in the hotel room.

There could be numerous steps that Bob Saget walked down from the club to the hotel. The whole theory of a brain bleed caused by a fall is that Bob Saget was unaware of the seriousness of the situation, just like Natasha Richardson had no idea she would be dead a day later.

My interpretation of a backward fall isn't that he lost his balance and fell down numerous steps ending up in a heap at the bottom but that he was walking down some stairs, lost his footing so that he fell backward ON the stairs hitting the back of his head on the corner of the tread which could have been concrete, marble or tile. The fact that he ended up in bed means he walked away from wherever he incurred the injuries.