Bobbi Kristina Brown found unresponsive in bathtub. #2

[leah]

With all due respect, most of what is said here isn't speculation. Your statement is so I am just jumping off of it but most things being said here are not speculation. For example, if I say, "It is likely BK was in the water for more than 15 minutes and IMO, she will not recover", that is speculation. If I say, "This poor child is on a ventilator. There is no hope and NG better pay." That is no longer speculation. See the difference?

I see the difference. But what I don't understand is why we keep going over and over this. I don't believe any of the statements that are coming out of the family, one family member says this, one says that. I suppose we should all wait for the main doctor in charge of BK's care to come out and alert the public of what really is going on. I don't know, until then, we shouldn't say a word about any of this???

 

[tlcya]

But what if Bobby keeps her on life support for the next 20 years in a private setting? Then the Houstons get nothing. They will probably offer bobby a severance package to pull the plug and be gone from their lives for good. Bk was the only remaining bond between both families.

I believe there would be a rather large, closely watched and contentious court battle long before Bobby could do such a thing. First of all I do not think he would go that route. But if he did, you can pretty well bet the farm on the Houston clan and/or Nick Gordon taking this before the courts and instituting a guardianship action with a conservator appointed to safeguard BK's funds while she is still living, be it 1 days or 10 years. MOO If anyone decides to rock this boat in attempt to wrest control of the trust or its proceeds it will end up in court for years and the only people who will end up getting rich are the lawyers. And maybe 50 years down the road, someone's grandkids might eventually end up with the money.

I do not expect to see things play out that way.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It is my opinion that Bobby Brown has zero control over BK's monthly allowance. She is a legal adult. So the fact that he is her father is irrelevant. Unless she herself or a court has named him the guardian of her estate he can't direct her money be spent in ANY way. Even for her health care needs.

Does Bobbi Kristina have health insurance? Since she doesn't live with a parent, covered by their health insurance plan (she's under 26 years of age), is BK enrolled in a health insurance plan? If not, who will be responsible for the mounting hospital bills?

 

[nrdsb4]

Under Georgia law, Wills are public record. WH's is available online. It includes a Testamentary Trust (vs a Living Trust). BK is named as her sole heir.

In her original Will (Feb 1993), she appoints her attorney as Executor and she names her sister-in-law Donna Houston and her atty as Trustees.

In a Codicil (April 2000), she amends to exclude her atty and to appoint her mother Cissy Houston as Executor and her sister-in-law Donna Houston and her brother Michael Houston as Trustees.

After WH's death, Cissy apparently relinquished her position as Executor and named Pat Houston to serve in that capacity. I believe that Donna and Michael did the same wrt their appointments. I have not searched for documentation nor do I know if this agreement is available for public consumption.

If BK should die as an unmarried woman, according to GA laws of intestacy and as BK's next-of-kin, Bobby Brown will inherit BK's assets at the time of her death, not those which are as yet undistributed.

The undistributed estate goes to named others including Bobby Brown; however, it is unclear whether he relinquished this beneficiary status as part of the Divorce.

IANAL/fwiw

~jmo~

THANK you. That makes it all more clear.

People have assumed that BB was cut out of the will during the divorce, but we don't really know that for a fact. Her will might not have been at the forefront of her mind at that time.

 

[DexterMorgan]

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Just a little OT, but what brilliant architect thought a TOILET in front of a PICTURE WINDOW would be a grand idea?
For over half a million bucks in a gated community, I'd expect a little more (a-hem) privacy, wouldn't you?

I am surprised that TMZ has never shown a silhouette of bk and ng using the facilities on their show. Because paparazzi love to do things like that. That toilet location is just screaming for a curtain to cover that window. Or maybe I am just too much of a private person


. Lol

 

[DexterMorgan]

Does Bobbi Kristina have health insurance? Since she doesn't live with a parent, covered by their health insurance plan (she's under 26 years of age), is BK enrolled in a health insurance plan? If not, who will be responsible for the mounting hospital bills?

A judge can allow the hospital to be paid from the money she was suppose to receive and then the rest will goto whoever.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

With all due respect, most of what is said here isn't speculation. Your statement is so I am just jumping off of it but most things being said here are not speculation. For example, if I say, "It is likely BK was in the water for more than 15 minutes and IMO, she will not recover", that is speculation. If I say, "This poor child is on a ventilator. There is no hope and NG better pay." That is no longer speculation. See the difference?

And if anywhere on the post it says, "IMO", "I think", "I believe", or any of the phrases designating a personal opinion...

 

[tlcya]

Does Bobbi Kristina have health insurance? Since she doesn't live with a parent, covered by their health insurance plan (she's under 26 years of age), is BK enrolled in a health insurance plan? If not, who will be responsible for the mounting hospital bills?

If she does not have health coverage her own estate will be responsible for medical bills. I would hope that she does. With all that inheritance I would hope that she was given some money management advice and that she took it. If the trust from her mother's estate is set up giving the trustee (Aunt Pat) the type of broad disretionary power I am accustomed to seeing in estate plans, Aunt Pat has discretion over the amount distributed as the allowance amount and would also be able to authorize larger sums for important purchases such as car, home, pay large medical bills etc.

Again, I do not know this as fact. I am making an assumption of what her powers likely (IMO) are in regard to the funds she protects for BK and based on substantial estate plans I do have experience with.

 

[sunflowerchick]

We do know she was under water for long enough for her brain to swell:



http://www.drugs.com/cg/near-drowning-injuries.html
Brain edema is swelling caused by fluid buildup. It may be caused by brain cell damage that occurs from a lack of oxygen for a long period.


That leads me to believe that she was underwater for quite awhile.

No, we do not know that. Please point me to the reputable news source that said "she was under water long enough for her brain to swell".

 

[sunflowerchick]

As I read anyone's posts on WS I am always under the assumption that it is a matter of opinion unless a MSM link is provided or is being referenced. Even then, we realize that MSM is also quoting and providing opinions in many cases. For example, just because someone is a VI does not mean that what they are posting is factual. If a BKB insider came here and told us on WS what they had witnessed regarding her condition, it would still would not make it a fact as we have already witnessed based on the quotes from the media.

I think we all know that this is a website where theories and possibilities are raised and discussed. I for one, am grateful when any professional, insider, or expert can help this discussion by providing their unique inside knowledge. At the same time, I also rely on the different perspectives from the "everyday Joe" that shares info based on their life's experiences, their gut feeling, or insight.

That is why this is sleuthing and not reporting. We bring together a community of thought. I could look back on any thread on this forum and would be able to point to speculation. Just because someone disagrees with such speculation, does not mean it does not have value or belong on this forum.

I have been here a while (at least 5 years) so I get it. My problem on this thread is that the assumption of speculation isn't there. People are posting things as fact and there is question as to whether it is opinion or not. I have seen tabloid articles posted as "updates" and then talked about in depth as if it came from a reliable source. This isn't allowed on other threads yet seems to be here?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I am surprised that TMZ has never shown a silhouette of bk and ng using the facilities on their show. Because paparazzi love to do things like that. That toilet location is just screaming for a curtain to cover that window. Or maybe I am just too much of a private person. Lol

If the Levelors (blinds) are positioned correctly (closed), no one can see into the bathroom. The main bathroom in my previous home had the toilet positioned in front of the window, and no one outdoors could see into the room when the blinds were properly closed.

 

[Quester]

I don't mean to offend anyone. I am just tired of the conjecture about BK's status. Without having some official release from the hospital, the family, anyone, we don't know BK's status and to sit here and speculate in such a negative manner is wrong IMO. With that, I am taking a break.

Would you rather we further discuss the content of this interview? :dunno:


http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/28074604/exclusive-bobbi-kristinas-aunt-speaks-to-fox-5

 

[DexterMorgan]

If she does not have health coverage her own estate will be responsible for medical bills. I would hope that she does. With all that inheritance I would hope that she was given some money management advice and that she took it. If the trust from her mother's estate is set up giving the trustee (Aunt Pat) the type of broad disretionary power I am accustomed to seeing in estate plans, Aunt Pat has discretion over the amount distributed as the allowance amount and would also be able to authorize larger sums for important purchases such as car, home, pay large medical bills etc.

Again, I do not know this as fact. I am making an assumption of what her powers likely (IMO) are in regard to the funds she protects for BK and based on substantial estate plans I do have experience with.

Some coverages are 90/10. Where they cover 90% of most things. But I think celebs and rich people have different plans that cover everything as far as advance testing and specialist and advanced procedures and the concierge treatment. Now I think Humana is 3 grand a month for 90/ 10 if a person is independently buying the coverage. So hopefully Pat made sure that some of the payments were for medical coverage. But now that I think about it; I think you have to pay most specialist out the pocket. But when it comes to a love one then spear no expense.

 

[Hiandmighty]

No, we do not know that. Please point me to the reputable news source that said "she was under water long enough for her brain to swell".

LE responded to a "drowning" where CPR was performed.

I think you are being a little dramatic about the extent to which we are speculating.

 

[tlcya]

link to the PDF of WH's Last Will and Testament. Reading now.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/Whitney Houston Will.pdf

Page two of will article Four subparagraph A lists the powers of the trustee and they are broad as I imagined. Trustee can decide to give payments to beneficiaries for as much or as little as the trustee feels is appropriate. WH expresses her intent that the trust be used for such items as medical needs, education, purchase a home, etc. But leaves the matter solely up to the trustee.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, we do not know that. Please point me to the reputable news source that said "she was under water long enough for her brain to swell".

I don't consider CBS tabloid:

A source said her brain swelling went down and her eyes are showing some movement.

http://wtvr.com/2015/02/05/bobby-brown-on-family-saying-final-goodbyes-to-bobbi-kristina-brown/

 

[DexterMorgan]

If the Levelors (blinds) are positioned correctly (closed), no one can see into the bathroom. The main bathroom in my previous home had the toilet positioned in front of the window, and no one outdoors could see into the room when the blinds were properly closed.

They look like basic Walmart blinds to me. The ones where you can see movement at night if somebody is standing there and the lights are on. Now I've seen some good shudders before. But these dont seem to be efficient. Plus somebody will always leave the blinds or toilet seats up. Lol. My wife will open every blind in the room and bathroom upstairs but then she spends the whole day downstairs. Lol. Then that leaves me closing all the blinds once the sun goes down. Lol. I hate when I cant see out but people can see in. Lol

 

[nrdsb4]

LE responded to a "drowning" where CPR was performed.

I think you are being a little dramatic about the extent to which we are speculating.

I agree. If a person has been immersed long enough to cause the person to lose a pulse and they are no longer breathing, it's highly likely that they have suffered some degree of brain swelling due to hypoxia/anoxia. That's what happens when the brain suffers a lack of oxygen sufficient to cause cardiac arrest.

This is basic medical education, not wild speculation.

 

[Softail]

I highly doubt she is sitting in bed eating breakfast.

:ditto: NOT HAPPENING. She has not had breakfast since at least 2 weeks and a day ago today.

But what if Bobby keeps her on life support for the next 20 years in a private setting? Then the Houstons get nothing. They will probably offer bobby a severance package to pull the plug and be gone from their lives for good. Bk was the only remaining bond between both families.

If she is issued a death certificate... Good luck with that.


Just wanted to add a big thank you to K_Z! Your input is always appreciated! :tyou:

 

[Softail]

LE responded to a "drowning" where CPR was performed.

I think you are being a little dramatic about the extent to which we are speculating.

:ditto: I agree. I think at this point anyone speculating that she just isn't going to recover is correct. I think anyone speculating that she will recover is really reaching. People don't recover from brain death. I do believe she has been brain dead since 2 weeks ago today. :twocents: