Body Language of AB's interview 2010.11.16 - 11:00 PM EST WBTV

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The charges were dismissed with leave on the original counts. Which means they can revisit / recharge him at a later time. I think they threw those back out there as a means to have something more on him than a worthless check so that if they had the need to hold him on a higher bond ... they could have.

Perhaps I'm missing something.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/warrants-served-adam-baker-while-jail-ar-495586/

Adam T. Baker’s upcoming court dates

Caldwell County, Nov. 18

-Worthless check

-Failure to return property on which there is a purchase option

-Communicating threats

-Communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check
 
Another thought I just had ... since we now see that the defense is going with the "no involvement by AB" angle.

His attny's have to know if he was really involved or not. If he WAS there is BOUND to be evidence to link him to the crime(s) committed. Going with the completely innocent this was all done by EB angle is not going to benefit him at all. As we see, EB's very competent attorney is having her admit involvement (in at least part) because they KNOW there is going to be evidence that points to her being there in some regard.

Wouldn't AB's attorney be doing the same? Trying to grab a deal before EB did ? If he had ANY involvement ? Surely his attorney knows that the clock is just ticking before LE releases charges and evidence. It would be smart to be truthful at this point with EB singing like a canary.

BBM

Not necessarily. How does anyone know if he is telling his attorney's the truth? Most criminals don't, lol.
 
I just have to add ..... until you've been through something like this you really cannot imagine the toll it takes. It's a very long story, but, my husband was accused of luring a girl off the internet and kidnapping her. He was completely and totally innocent. We cooperated with authorities and he was completely cleared (a disgruntled employee had set up an account in his name and was talking to teens online so when the teen actually ran away ... they looked at my hubby first because the account was in his name. Employee was charged and convicted. Girl was found over 900 miles in the other direction from us nearly a week after my husband was cleared.)

But the week of interviews... being followed by the police and the girls dad knocking on my door and following us everywhere. The anger, the fear (we were so scared she was going to turn up deceased), the pit of you stomach feeling for days and days, not sleeping, not eating. Seeing your name in print as a POI (thankfully for us, the girl was from another state so we weren't humiliated in our home town) Having your house searched, your computers taken....... It's unimaginable.

And AB has been going through this for a MONTH on top of the fact that his own daughter is the missing and now he's been told she's been cut up and tossed like trash.

If he IS innocent ... he's a flipping basket case right now. And I know from experience that the anger and frustration come out in the wee hours of the morning when you are dead exhausted. You rant, you rave, you scream, you hit things, you cry until you passout for a short time until you have to pull it together for what little bit you can to try and help investigators. If you are a raving basket case .... you can't help so you do that part when no one else or just family is around.

The face you present to the public is tired, emotionally drained, and lifeless. You are so exhausted you can't even think. You keep thinking you are going to wake up to a bad dream. I don't know how many times my husband and I said "This just doesn't happen. Are we on TV ? " You can't wrap your head around what's happening even though you know what's happening.

Several years ago, I worked with a client who was accused of murdering someone. He was fired from his job, the victim's family flamed him every chance they got, he was hounded and his house vandalized with his wife and infant son in it.

Well, PS, he was aquited when someone in prison admitted he was the guilty party.

My client was presumed guilty, and because of his background (some gang related stuff when he was in his teens) he was looked on as the main suspect.

It was horrible, not just for him, but for his family, who were terrified, and they were certainly innocent.

It perhaps makes me very careful about making someone the guilty party until all the facts are exposed.
 
Bellyup, can you link to where you found your information that these charges against AB were dropped? Because, from everything I'm seeing, he still has to appear on those charges on Nov.18
TIA
 
Does anyone remember the first suspect in the Elizabeth Smart case? I would have bet money he was guilty, I thought he had murdered her he had post hole diggers, sent his vehicle to the garage for repair, on and on lots of circumstantial evidence. When he died in jail I thought that ES would never be found, but thank the Lord I was wrong. That is why I am staying neutral with AB until we know more. Even though I feel he had to know something was up I could be wrong. He may have been depressed and homesick sorry he ever married this woman and gave up hope of getting out. I was so depressed when I was with my abuser that I was numb and just wanted to sleep when I was at home I couldn't wait for work and worked overtime so I didn't have to deal with him. I finally went on Zoloft after I left it still took a while for me to feel
 
What a horrible situation that you and your DH found yourselves in bellyup! Just goes to show that anything can happen at anytime. How do you prepare yourself for that? Glad that it was cleared up and that you were able to move on but that has to leave a scar. {{{hugs}}}

The way it came down was so difficult. The knock on my door from police .... at first they thought it was another teen she was communicating with but when I explained to them I had no teens in the house and the focus moved to my husband ... it was so scary. And the police had me convinced that my DH had done something in that first day. I remember him telling me "The wife never thinks their husband could do it. Think about interviews you see on TV ... they always say "I never thought he could do this!" ...... Your daughter could be in danger......... Please don't speak with your husband about this until we've investigated further." and they showed me conversations this girl had with what appeared to be my DH.

I puked and puked and puked all day I was so upset. I was so confused and things that LE had said just didn't make sense. Mainly that my husband had done this on the internet (he was NOT computer savy at the time and barely used the computer at all) . When my husband came home I tried to act like all was normal but when I puked on the stove and burst into tears at the same time .... I had to tell him. Even then I was questioning of him.

Like I said the toll that took and that week of hell was unbearable ... and it wasn't MY CHILD that was missing supposedly at the hands of my DH. If AB is innocent and EB is the guilty one .... I cannot imagine the hell he is living in and in that scenerio I can't judge his reactions at all... because I know I was ALLLLLL over the place in my own reactions.
 
Perhaps I'm missing something.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/warrants-served-adam-baker-while-jail-ar-495586/

Adam T. Baker’s upcoming court dates

Caldwell County, Nov. 18

-Worthless check

-Failure to return property on which there is a purchase option

-Communicating threats

-Communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

Depends which media link you use...

CHARLOTTE -- Adam Baker, the father of missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was arrested Monday morning in Catawba County. He faces five counts of writing worthless checks, two counts of failure to appear in court on communicating threats, one count of failure to appear in court for assault with a deadly weapon and one count of failure to return rental property.

http://sandhills.news14.com/content...g-girl-arrested-on-unrelated-charges?ap=1&MP4

:waitasec:
 
Bellyup, can you link to where you found your information that these charges against AB were dropped? Because, from everything I'm seeing, he still has to appear on those charges on Nov.18
TIA

I believe it was agathawannabe who posted the original outcome of those charges. He's already been to court on the assault charges and they were dismissed with leave (meaning they can recharge him) which is what they have done. I am hoping someone else has a link because I've got nearly 200 links saved for this case and not labeled well so I'm not sure which one it is....
 
Depends which media link you use...

CHARLOTTE -- Adam Baker, the father of missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was arrested Monday morning in Catawba County. He faces five counts of writing worthless checks, two counts of failure to appear in court on communicating threats, one count of failure to appear in court for assault with a deadly weapon and one count of failure to return rental property.

http://sandhills.news14.com/content...g-girl-arrested-on-unrelated-charges?ap=1&MP4

:waitasec:

Thanks, Kamille. But even if he did fail to appear, he still has to go to court on the original charges, in addition to the failure to appear. I'm questioning the statement by another poster that these charges against him were dropped. I have not seen that information. Maybe I missed it...I don't know. That is why I am asking for clarification.
 
I believe it was agathawannabe who posted the original outcome of those charges. He's already been to court on the assault charges and they were dismissed with leave (meaning they can recharge him) which is what they have done. I am hoping someone else has a link because I've got nearly 200 links saved for this case and not labeled well so I'm not sure which one it is....

Okay, thank you. At least that gives me a starting place for where to look.
 
This is not a general discussion thread. Please remain on topic or find/start more relevant threads.
 
...until I see evidence of AB's guilt I will remain neutral I think he may have helped but I haven't seen proof the 911 call bothers me but some people do odd things when stressed and he may have gotten use to EB making things up to keep drama going so he wasn't sure if maybe this was another game she was playing

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BBM - This is the only emotion I picked up in the 911 tape - "I'm saying this (because my wife told me to) but I'm not sure I believe it."

AB - "My daughter is missing..." No urgency, no stress.

911 - "YOUR WHAT??" Stress noted, urgency noted...

He hadn't seen his daughter "for sure?? 100%, out of bed?" since Tuesday. He thinks he may have checked in on her Thursday late night. (Or Elisa told him something to make him think she was there) It looked like she was in the bed, but he didn't walk into the room, evidently didn't speak to her or hear her voice.

Does he even know when Zahra disappeared for sure, or does he know what he's been told?

I'm not 100% convinced what he has done, but I do know he didn't protect Zahra from the monster.

That same lack of affect is throughout the interview - but he looks better rested.
 
Thanks, Kamille. But even if he did fail to appear, he still has to go to court on the original charges, in addition to the failure to appear. I'm questioning the statement by another poster that these charges against him were dropped. I have not seen that information. Maybe I missed it...I don't know. That is why I am asking for clarification.

http://newsfall.com/2010/10/12/zahra-baker-missing-10-year-old/

Here is a news report that states it ... however agathawannabe had the court roster posted at one point. I can't find that link.

Brittany Bentley, 21, filed a complaint accusing Elisa Baker of communicating threats in May after she says Baker threatened to kill her and her 7-month-old baby during a family dispute. Court records show those charges were dismissed with leave, meaning prosecutors reserved the right to refile them, in August after Baker failed to appear in court.

(Note: I think the last line "in August after Baker failed to appear in court" doesn't belong there. It doesn't make sense with the fact that they were dismissed with leave. Perhaps it's meant to read IF he failed to appear in court ?" All I know is that they were refiled when he was taken in OCT on the worthless check charges AFTER Zahra was missing.)

ETA: Sorry whyaduck.... remove if needed just wanted to answer the question :)
 
I do not care, really do not care, how he was dressed, how he answered the questions, and/or what kind of poor, wide-eyed innocent, pathetic me look he was able to scrounge up for the camera.

HE, and HE alone, took off with Zahra when she was an infant and he was given custody of her by her mother. He chose to cut Zahra's mother out of their lives, and by that choice, HE made himself Zahra's only parent, the one with the SOLE responsibility for her care and welfare.

In Zahra's 10 short years of life, she survived cancer. She had a leg amputated because of the cancer. She lost her hearing and required hearing aids because of the cancer. She allegedly had a prosthetic limb that she had outgrown. AB, as her only parent, by his own actions, was responsible for her care, so why wasn't he getting her fitted for a new leg?

Zahra was last seen by someone outside the family on Sept. 25. Why did no one else see her? Was she sick? AB had a duty to take her in to get treatment if she was sick for 2 weeks, that's his job as her father, and again, only parent. While he did not have to physically take off work and take her himself, it was up to him to make sure it was done. Did he? Apparently not, and we are talking about a little girl who has been severely ill in the past. How can it be justified to not get her treatment?

Zahra was allegedly deceased, by what means are still unknown, at least to me. She was dismembered into pieces and scattered about the countryside. Where was her daddy when this was going on? If he has a job that takes him out of town for long stretches of time, I am not aware of it. So, what? Was he in the living room watching a game while EB was in the bathroom cutting up his daughter?

IMO, he was savvy enough to evade Zahra's mother for 10 years, so how is he so clueless now?

The interview, I realize it was heavily edited, but it was all "ME, ME, ME..." If he really had nothing to do with this, he was told, just a few days ago, his daughter is dead and was cut in pieces. 6 months later, how could he be giving any thought to himself, much less how much he was concerned about HIM in this interview. 'They think I'm a monster..People call me a murderer...I want a normal life...wah wah wah'. Where is the concern for the dead and dismembered daughter he loved so much? Where are the statements about her, how she didn't deserve this, how she was such a good girl, how she made his life worth living, how he doesn't know how to go on without her?

I'll keep my fingers crossed AB gets his 'normal' life in prison, with no parole ever.
 
I'm on track, Duck. I'm pointing out that the man we saw in that brief interview last night did NOT appear to be the kind of man who would be involved in the running off the road incident. A poster here suggested those charges were dropped, I'm trying to get clarification on that.

If I'm off course, just delete me. Not a problem. But I don't believe that I am.
 
All I can say about the stuff we have seen so far...Adam, ur interview, FAIL.
 
http://newsfall.com/2010/10/12/zahra-baker-missing-10-year-old/

Here is a news report that states it ... however agathawannabe had the court roster posted at one point. I can't find that link.

Brittany Bentley, 21, filed a complaint accusing Elisa Baker of communicating threats in May after she says Baker threatened to kill her and her 7-month-old baby during a family dispute. Court records show those charges were dismissed with leave, meaning prosecutors reserved the right to refile them, in August after Baker failed to appear in court.

(Note: I think the last line "in August after Baker failed to appear in court" doesn't belong there. It doesn't make sense with the fact that they were dismissed with leave. Perhaps it's meant to read IF he failed to appear in court ?" All I know is that they were refiled when he was taken in OCT on the worthless check charges AFTER Zahra was missing.)

ETA: Sorry whyaduck.... remove if needed just wanted to answer the question :)

Thanks again. I don't consider this source mainstream media, but I do appreciate your response.

I'll drop this for now, because we are straying O/T a little bit.
 
This interview was obviously arrainged by his attorney, to put some 'good press' about Adam out there. He was most likely told how to dress, how to behave, and attorney was there to advise what could and could not be spoken of.

That said: I didn't see anything that showed Adam as either a killer or a saint.

He reminded me of a couple clients I had. Stoic, fairly unemotional, and passive.

Some men are trained not to show emotion, and he probably is one of them. He may well be under mom's thumb. Tht may be the sort of person he is, a man who lets women run the show.

Of course mom would take up for him. Nothing he does or says will bring Zhara back. I think it's very unreasonable for anyone to expect a mother who's already lost one person in her life she loved to give up another. Whether or not he's responsible in some way, she can't see it that way, and thats the way many people would be, I think. It's normal. How can you believe that your son could do something like that? You can't!

I didn't see anything either way that would indicate what he did, or didn't. I saw a man who's frightened, in shock, and perhaps not too sure of what happened, or how.

BBM. But she's been INSIDE that house. She saw how much the police took out of it. She saw the condition it was in. She knows about two cars that have blood in them. How can she think he had no idea what was going on in his own home? How can she think he had nothing to do with the disposal?

I understand a mother's love for her child. But there is too much here for her to ignore it all and think EB is only to blame. This isn't a case where the crime scene is elsewhere. The crime scene is his own home, his own two cars.

I guess I would have to be his mother to understand how in the heck he could possibly be innocent. And I'm tired of hearing her say we don't understand because we don't know everything. Well then, tell us everything so we can understand!
 
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As far as that list of "detecting lies" I say it's complete HOGWASH. According to that list you could make no facial expressions at all that wouldn't be determined as a lie and if you did that ... then people would say you were cold and emotionless.


Totally agree
 
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