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Even though it shouldn't it makes a difference to the jury.
Oh, Nurmi.
I'm sure you're very busy right now working on volumes two and three of your grievance letter. Any thoughts about what you'll self-publish next? Just because there are already two books entitled "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People," that doesn't mean you can't use this title as well. Just sayin'. And maybe if you stop all the blatant, ham-fisted attempts at self-edification (wink), you just might be able to de-alienate (wink wink) people, at least a tiny bit. It's not likely, but you just never know.
For now, though, and for the foreseeable future: no soup for you.
Trapped with Ms. Arias:
Chapter 12
My Initial review of the Evidence as it Related to the Relationship
L talks about relationships between killer and victims- the murderer's and TA's - "atypical" and often considered second degree murder or manslaughter..rare for these crimes between romantic partners/lovers to be charges as capital offense.
the murderer described relationship (in 48 Hrs program) that it was sexual- boyfriend/girlfriend, but labeled it as a "friendship"
if Mr. Alexander told others that he wanted nothing to do with Ms. Arias he wasn't being truthful, that the relationship was part of the lie he was living. I felt this way because if one does not want anything to do with a former romantic partner one does not have a sexual relationship with them and take photographs of the encounter." (pgs 87-88)
L had suspicion viewing photos taken on TA's camera that day ("very graphic")- that their relationship "was longstanding, intense and unrestrained"
L's thoughts on relationship- "very intense and that sex played a huge role in this relationship..had to be kept a secret..due to their shared faith..was their dirty little secret....suspected that love played a part...." (pg. 88)
Chapter 13
My Initial Review of Mr. Martinez
L heard from former colleague ("who was Jewish") referred to JM as "Hitler"
goes on to talk about things/stories that JM said/did- "but suffice it to say he was not well thought of within the defense community, not because of the convictions he obtained but because of the way he operated." (pg.89)
Objection, Your Honor. Bull****!
snipped rather a lot, hope you don't mind, YESorNO.
Nurmi: don't forget to put verifiable stats and citations in the notes section you're no doubt including. It's not that we won't believe you otherwise, it's just that, well, yes actually, we absolutely won't believe you otherwise.
What possible difference does it make what Jodi chooses to label anything on any given occasion? News flash: SHE LIES.
Nurmi, are you just deliberately trying to piss people off, or are you actually claiming that there's some sort of relationship rule book out there that everyone except Travis is guided by? And you seem to have been absent the days we went over fallibility, manipulation, duress, and Jodi being sick, twisted, and relentless, as well as armed and dangerous. Maybe, just maybe, that had just a teensy bit to do with Travis' behavior on the day he was murdered.
Nurmi: I have way more than a suspicion that your suspicions are at best ill-informed, and I know for a fact that they are irrelevant.
Nurmi, you are getting on my last nerve. Enough with your suspicions already! "Shared faith?" Which faith would that be? Despite his struggles, Travis was still very much LDS. Jodi pretended to be. That doesn't count as sharing a faith. And FGS, what's love got to do with it? Did Jodi love Travis when she was ruining his life, ending his life, stabbing him, shooting him, slitting his throat? We know you're big on "feeelings" and all, but please, just stop. You're just embarrassing yourself -- or at least you would be embarrassing yourself if you had a conscience.
And you really need to stop going on about "dirty little secrets." Maybe you tell people all about your sex life, but believe it or not, it's not something most people go around shouting from rooftops, regardless of the particulars. (What's that? You don't talk about your sex life? Why not? What are you trying to hide?)
So, Nurmi, you heard this, did you? Fine. I heard that you sleep in bright pink footie-pajamas with tell-tale stains on the flap, and a former colleague of mine referred to you as "that weird pervert."
Suffice it to say that this isn't a popularity contest. And when did you become the voice of "the defense community?" Are you representing the entire "defense community" or just the Jodi Arias "defense community?" I'm guessing it's the latter. In either case -- it's irrelevant.
Look, Nurmi, here's the deal. I know writing isn't really your thing, but here's a little tip. Zero corroboration = zero credibility. Thought you would have learned that by now.
If he had gone with just BPD and tried to prove diminished responsibility, he would have achieved the same result most likely without boring the world to tears for months and making himself a laughingstock. I guess if your client insists it was self defense and is so deluded as to think someone might buy it you would have to go with it, but for heavens' sake.
What an EXCELLENT post. And so many wonderful details. Thank you!
This is just me, but I take particular exception to the Nazi reference from a "supposedly" Jewish counterpart. No one should ever go there unless they are speaking of their own experience (regarding Nazi Germany). That kind of inflammatory language is tremendously insensitive and has no place in a case like this. Especially with tensions regarding religion being what they are, shame on you, Nurmi.
Is it wrong to love the fact that L. Kirk was forced to listen to JA for hours. Kinda a bit of karma for what we had to endure from him talking in that whiny little voice for HOURS. Sheesh. Acorn... Tree.
It is not wrong to love that fact! Not at all!
I was laughing at his comment about how the killer creeped him out. LOL...old Nurms gives off a respectable amount of creep vibes as well. Apparently he is not aware of this though it is difficult to believe it has escaped him.
BBMTrapped With Ms. Arias
Chapter 35
This is Your Brain on Jodi
L talks about "this is your brain on drugs" because he called the murderer "Jodi"
"take the egg but do not crack it, smash the egg into the pan, shell and all....find some fecal matter, throw it into the pan, add a chopped up dead rat and scramble the whole mess up. Once completely cooked this concoction would approximate the effect Ms. Arias would have on my brain"
L states- every time he left jail after meetings, he was "exhausted...brain was mush"- phone conversations too
L talks about a theory he heard a "pundit offer this theory about" the murderer on TV program (doesn't remember who)- L thinks theory is "highly insightful"
-the theory: murderer "had abilities like those of a cult leader...she possessed a unique ability to convince people that she was telling the truth, without actual proof, simply because she was the person saying it" (pg. 204)
L talks about Donovan being one of the cult members and others: a reporter tried to see the murderer while in jail to interview her, but couldn't- he did speak to several women who were her "pod mates" who "almost universally" supported the murderer- holding up signs "Free Jodi"....a few asserted her innocence"
"That power can still be seen today by looking at a web page that asserts the innocence of Ms. Arias. Yes, even several months after the trial Ms. Arias' followers are still drinking the Kool-aid. She is that good" (pg. 205)
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Chapter 36
9 Out of 10 Days
L talks about the "sentiment behind"...... "I did not like Ms. Arias 9 out of 10 days" comment in his closing of guilt phase of trial
"...as talking about this comment was not really optional talking about the sentiment behind this comment would provide you with enough understanding of what I learned about Ms. Arias as I prepared for trial...I am not going to deal with why I made this comment during my closing argument in this book." at this time (pg. 206)
Is it true? "Yes"
L states that many people believe that because he was the murderer's atty, that he " believes her story" and "support her actions and that I like her as a person...none of these things are true"- he did not ask to be her atty and was appointed and forced to remain as her atty when he wanted to leave
"...I did not believe her claims of self-defense, I did not support what she did on June 4, 2008....I did not like Ms. Arias"
L states, that as an atty, he doesn't try to be friends, have feelings- they are just clients- in capt'l cases, they have murdered someone- "I tend to exclude killers from my peer group", so he doesn't "like" his clients "in the sense that the word is most commonly used", but he does "like" some of their "likable qualities"- or "I feel highly sympathetic for their situation and/or personal histories, so in that regard it can be said that I do 'like' some clients"
"I did not and do not like Ms. Arias" (pg. 207)
L claims, because of confidentiality, he can explain some things, but not all "tip of the iceberg"
Some reasons:
-she was happy to ruin his career "by forcing me into a position where I would have to help her make these assertations against" TA- (not how he wanted to defend case)- they would never had come to trial- what he wanted/ damage done to him, didn't matter to her
"..she was smart enough to know that I would have to go with her defense if I could not prove her wrong" (she PP Legal lawyers to answer her questions)when he was trying to leave "she wanted me to wanted to be nice...act like we were friends...She wanted me to drink the Kool-Aid...to join the 'Cult of Jodi' "
L started to "dislike" the murderer after he was forced to stay on as her atty Spring, 2011- after that "she knew that I could not get away and decided that she could treat me any way she wanted because of this reality"
-she threatened his business, wanted him at her beck and call.."I was the attorney and she was the boss"
"...it is more accurate to say that I disliked and /or despised her 9 out of 10 days"
"what about the tenth day?....the tenth day simply accounted for the days I did not have to deal with her or think about her case...if I did not have days like those where I didn't think of Ms. Arias, trust me, it would have been 10 out of 10" (pg. 209)
L states that he was "dealing with a very disturbed woman"
End of Section 6 (pg. 210)
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Next:
Section 7
Rooster shake-Up
Chapter 37
Others Want Out, Some Make It, Some Do Not and Alyce Comes to Wonderland
Chapter 38
I Lose My Team
Chapter 39
Building a new Team
End of Section 7 (pg. 225)
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