Bosma Murder Trial 03.21.16 - Day 24

[brightii]

According to SS's testimony today we are to believe that after LE left the hangar on May 10th, SS and DM spoke but didn't really discuss why LE had been there? I'm not buying that for a second.

In context, SS knew by then that it was TB's truck and that AJ had found that out and reported it to CS. Does it make sense to anyone that after DM is interviewed for an hour or more by LE, and DM knows LE spoke to SS for 15 minutes, that DM wouldn't be asking what SS told LE, or that SS wouldn't be asking DM what LE said to him?

I hope the jury is as skeptical of SS's story as I am.

All MOO.

 

[swedie]

LMAO Schlatman says DM wanted to burn his household garbage and wanted to burn this garbage in a bunch of barrells. SURE. JMO

OH?!...I thought the incinerator was because he was going into pet cremating business with his vet uncle Robert. Apparently DM's a chronic liar but not a good one. Good liars are usually consistent with their lies. Oh bother. :facepalm:

This excuse is so ridiculous that I actually had to lol. Burn garbage from his properties? We know DM owned a six plex but it would not have been his responsibility to haul away the tenants garbage. What was wrong with the cities weekly garbage collection trucks that come around to collect garbage from all of his properties including Maple Gate? After all isn't that service covered mainly through paying property taxes, and wouldn't one think DM would want to take full advantage of his tax dollars? Condos usually have dumpster, and how much garbage could the hangar have produced?! I think we all saw this lie coming and saw right through it. MOO.

 

[swedie]

Didn't LB go missing in July of 2012? And SS is saying the test burn didn't happen until Aug/Sept?

I think that's why the judge gave those special instruction prior to witness taking the stand this morning. MOO.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6h6 hours ago
Justice Goodman advising jurors to use common sense when deciding if witness is telling truth about things the accused said.

 

[Tealgrove]

The same theme keeps coming up. DM tells people what to do and they do it without question apparently and quite willingly. The Crown is portraying DM as the main guy - the one in control. He's the brains. For MS that's definitely a good thing.

The Defence strategy is going to be interesting to say the least.

 

[billandrew]

Millard texts Schlatman, "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?"

IMO, by asking "what truck?", DM isn't explicitly pretending that he doesn't know about the truck. Rather, he's subtly nudging SS to pretend that HE doesn't know about it. In other words, you could interpret the message as: "Hypothetically, if I do have Bosma's truck then I'm in a lot of jeopardy, so let's just pretend that we don't know about this truck, ok?"

JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Millard texts Schlatman, "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?"

IMO, by asking "what truck?", DM isn't explicitly pretending that he doesn't know about the truck. Rather, he's subtly nudging SS to pretend that HE doesn't know about it. In other words, you could interpret the message as: "Hypothetically, if I do have Bosma's truck then I'm in a lot of jeopardy, so let's just pretend that we don't know about this truck, ok?"

JMO

Thanks. I'd been trying to figure out what to make of the way that text was constructed.

 

[brightii]

Millard texts Schlatman, "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?"

IMO, by asking "what truck?", DM isn't explicitly pretending that he doesn't know about the truck. Rather, he's subtly nudging SS to pretend that HE doesn't know about it. In other words, you could interpret the message as: "Hypothetically, if I do have Bosma's truck then I'm in a lot of jeopardy, so let's just pretend that we don't know about this truck, ok?"

JMO

And next, as per Molly Hayes tweets, SS says: He said he thought that was DM "playing dumb." #Bosma

BBM
I think DM and many of his associates expect the jury to play along. :gaah:

All MOO.

 

[voominvava]

Millard texts Schlatman, "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?"

IMO, by asking "what truck?", DM isn't explicitly pretending that he doesn't know about the truck. Rather, he's subtly nudging SS to pretend that HE doesn't know about it. In other words, you could interpret the message as: "Hypothetically, if I do have Bosma's truck then I'm in a lot of jeopardy, so let's just pretend that we don't know about this truck, ok?"

JMO

Mar 21 2016 12:57 PM
Millard answers: "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what the truck?"

(from Adam Carter live blog)

I thought it was a play on words like .. WTF, but with truck instead.

 

[ADAWG]

According to SS's testimony today we are to believe that after LE left the hangar on May 10th, SS and DM spoke but didn't really discuss why LE had been there? I'm not buying that for a second.

In context, SS knew by then that it was TB's truck and that AJ had found that out and reported it to CS. Does it make sense to anyone that after DM is interviewed for an hour or more by LE, and DM knows LE spoke to SS for 15 minutes, that DM wouldn't be asking what SS told LE, or that SS wouldn't be asking DM what LE said to him?

I hope the jury is as skeptical of SS's story as I am.

All MOO.

It makes sense because SS was not surprised when the police were there. I don't assume he'd ask why either as the police asked him questions as well. He likely had a pretty good idea by the question is was asked why they were there


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[billandrew]

Mar 21 2016 12:57 PM
Millard answers: "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what the truck?"

(from Adam Carter live blog)

I thought it was a play on words like .. WTF, but with truck instead.

That was a typo, IMO, since every other reporter wrote "what truck?" Either way, it just goes to show how easily key messages can get lost in translation!

 

[voominvava]

That was a typo, IMO, since every other reporter wrote "what truck?" Either way, it just goes to show how easily key messages can get lost in translation!

Yes, just figured that one out, thanks :blushing:

 

[Kamille]

According to SS's testimony today we are to believe that after LE left the hangar on May 10th, SS and DM spoke but didn't really discuss why LE had been there? I'm not buying that for a second.

In context, SS knew by then that it was TB's truck and that AJ had found that out and reported it to CS. Does it make sense to anyone that after DM is interviewed for an hour or more by LE, and DM knows LE spoke to SS for 15 minutes, that DM wouldn't be asking what SS told LE, or that SS wouldn't be asking DM what LE said to him?

I hope the jury is as skeptical of SS's story as I am.

All MOO.

I'm skeptical of pretty much most of what SS was fudging over that made him look like a subordinate employee who was afraid of his boss and never once questioned him about anything that he was asked to do, even though there was a lot of weird stuff going on. There is a reason why he and AJ are not speaking. Even AJ was protecting himself when he was on the stand IMO. I think he knew stuff too. A lot of what SS said today contradicts itself. I'm sure we can put it all together. Very curious why the officers who testified that they went to the hangar on the 10th said there was only DM and an older gentleman there when they showed up. Now SS is saying that he was not only there, but they spoke to him for 15 minutes. Still not sure if AJ was there but he did say he went to Home Depot "after lunch" so he should have been there also at 11am. So what is the big secret that is not being told here? Why are the officers also not mentioning that SS and AJ were at the hangar and that they spoke to SS?

DM made a comment "the suits are here" but SS says these officers were in uniforms. I guess that's what he calls suits? I would have thought that was in reference to plain clothes detectives, who usually do wear suits to work.

SS said he started working full time 7am-7pm for DM. Then every time he mentions going to work it's between 9am and 10am. So which is it? Doesn't sound like a guy who is afraid of his boss to me. Sounds like a guy who makes his own hours and comes and goes as he pleases.

He is making all kinds of odd claims about how "he didn't ask him" with regards to anything to do with DM. And there had to have been a conversation about TB and the truck before he sent that text to SS about how he "couldn't stop thinking of what that family is going through". Pulleeze.

<modsnip>

So IMO, SS is saying what he has to in order to match his original statement, but probably even back on the 11th of May, 2013 he was covering for himself and DM as much as he could. And there is not much LE can do about that.

I hope MS's lawyer is prepared to rip the lid off some of these "half truths".

MOO

ETA: I do not think SS was involved in this, but I think he knew that truck was stolen and just didn't want to ask if it was the one all over the news. But I think deep down he knew. And chose to overlook it.

No one would order tools to remove a windshield on the red truck and emblems on the black truck for painting who didn't realize what was going on. Pretty sure he was also supposed to remove the windshield from the black truck and do the switch but chose not to mention that. He only needed one reason why he ordered that tool. DM wouldn't know how to do it himself which makes me believe that SS knew exactly what was going on with regards to the trucks IMO.

 

[brightii]

It makes sense because SS was not surprised when the police were there. I don't assume he'd ask why either as the police asked him questions as well. He likely had a pretty good idea by the question is was asked why they were there


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Yes, SS could have presumed that AJ's call to CS led LE to the hangar, but I mean that I find in incredulous that SS and DM did not discuss the LE visit and what was said. I don't buy that at all, especially in context to what SS knew at that point.

IMO, most people would be concerned if working at the site where TB's truck was confirmed to have been to CS, and would be worried about what LE knew and wondering what story DM told them. SS at the very least could well have thought he may be implicated and I cannot imagine him saying nothing about that to DM, IMO.

It seems everyone was walking on eggshells around DM and still are, IMO, even when danger signals are flashing in plain sight for all to see. Why? That is not typical behavior IMO.

All MOO.

 

[brightii]

I'm skeptical of pretty much most of what SS was fudging over that made him look like a subordinate employee who was afraid of his boss and never once questioned him about anything that he was asked to do, even though there was a lot of weird stuff going on. There is a reason why he and AJ are not speaking. Even AJ was protecting himself when he was on the stand IMO. I think he knew stuff too. A lot of what SS said today contradicts itself. I'm sure we can put it all together. Very curious why the officers who testified that they went to the hangar on the 10th said there was only DM and an older gentleman there when they showed up. Now SS is saying that he was not only there, but they spoke to him for 15 minutes. Still not sure if AJ was there but he did say he went to Home Depot "after lunch" so he should have been there also at 11am. So what is the big secret that is not being told here? Why are the officers also not mentioning that SS and AJ were at the hangar and that they spoke to SS?

DM made a comment "the suits are here" but SS says these officers were in uniforms. I guess that's what he calls suits? I would have thought that was in reference to plain clothes detectives, who usually do wear suits to work.

SS said he started working full time 7am-7pm for DM. Then every time he mentions going to work it's between 9am and 10am. So which is it? Doesn't sound like a guy who is afraid of his boss to me. Sounds like a guy who makes his own hours and comes and goes as he pleases.

He is making all kinds of odd claims about how "he didn't ask him" with regards to anything to do with DM. And there had to have been a conversation about TB and the truck before he sent that text to SS about how he "couldn't stop thinking of what that family is going through". Pulleeze.

<modsnip>

So IMO, SS is saying what he has to in order to match his original statement, but probably even back on the 11th of May, 2013 he was covering for himself and DM as much as he could. And there is not much LE can do about that.

I hope MS's lawyer is prepared to rip the lid off some of these "half truths".

MOO

Kamille, everything you wrote in this post is exactly what I think too!! :woot::yourock:

 

[Stratocaster]

I wonder if SS 'gave up' on removing the windshield, not because he didn't know how to do it, but because he knew the gig was up and didn't want any further involvement. MOO

 

[swedie]

Just a note as to why SS was not charged with anything:

these texts the jury is seeing had to come from SS's phone. Obviously, he handed his physical phone over to LE so they could see for themselves the conversations he had with DM. Had he deleted any of them, LE would have known that based on the phone records from DM's phone. I think he was 100% transparent with LE and didn't know jack-squat about what DM and MS had done.

I wonder why SS and his wife decided May 6/7th, was a good time to buy new phones? MOO.

 

[Kamille]

https://twitter.com/AdamCarterCBC?lang=en

 

[Boudica]

SS testimony today just seemed so contrived. Maybe it's because we're getting his testimony in tweets. If anyone was in the courtroom today can you please tell us how SS came across on the stand today? Thanks.

 

[swedie]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
The video, (in black and white) shows two people and a dog entering the hangar at 1:33am on May 7, 2013. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 18s19 seconds ago
Outside cameras shut down in extreme cold and went to default position to face wall. He could see camera views from his phone app.

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 14s15 seconds ago
Looking at shot of hangar from security camera, which Schlatman set up. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 26s26 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
This is a screen shot of the security footage #Bosma
[video=twitter;711951682599522304]https://twitter.com/ShannonMartinTV/status/711951682599522304[/video]

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 28s29 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Schlatman the Mechanic says he was the one who controlled the camera. He had an app on his phone #Bosma

May would not have been an extremely cold month. According to previous testimony from Plaxton, the camera was adjusted, aimed at the hangar wall a week prior. SS had the app for the camera on his phone....hmmm. Someone knows more about a truck theft than he is letting on and I hope the Crown takes the wind out of his sails. MOO.

 

[flipflop]

If SS was the person DM asked CN to talk to about changing his testimony do we think that the Crown would bring that up and tell the Jury here and now?

A lot of us suspected that it was SS that DM was talking about.

If the Crown doesn't bring it up here then I am assuming that it was someone else.

Thoughts? Am I on the right track or am I heading down a path I don't need to take?

There is no way of proving who DM and CN were talking about....and I assume that DM and CN did not cough up that info either!